08-06-2008, 11:20 PM
I have serious reservations on your mental capacity to understand some simple things and you also seem to me a psychopathic case. Mudslinging on others is your occupation and your ill-will towards other people who have difference of opinion with you is now apparent. You always taunt others as intolerants but you never see your own acts. Furthermore, you yourself create chaos on this forum and then start hullabaloo against others, this is not new for those who visit this forum. One quality which you posses and I should also appreciate is your topic slewing ability, when you see things are out of your control or you have just a little knowledge of subject matter then you suddenly turn the topic towards some other matters and again this is not new for us.
In a nutshell, in your previous post, you want to say that because there are various interpretations of Ahadees and Seerat-e-Tayyeba and because of difference of treatments and methodologies used by Khulafa-e-Rashedeen, Tabieen, Taba Tabaieen, Aima-e-Kram and then by Ulema of different sects, we should left Quran-O-Sunnat aside and start following Secularism because there is no conflict in the teachings of your beloved George Holyoke and other theorists of secularism. Another point which is raised by you and is quite often raised by other secularists who are living in our Islamic country "Pakistan"(which is one of those two countries in today's world whose basis is religion, the second one is Israel whose state religion is Jewish) is that what interpretation and more importantly whose interpretation is reliable in order to implement Islamic laws in Pakistan. Ulema-e-Kram of various sects know that Israeli Secularists and Propagandists like you will raise similar concerns, so, in order to rebut this presumption they (Ulema of various sects) sat together and they prepared a comprehensive report with their consensus but due to some internal conspiracies of your fellow secularists and external pressure on the government, the governments of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed(Rehmatullah-e-Allieh) and second tenure of Nawaz Sharif were unable to implement Islamic laws in Pakistan.
As far as the event of declaration of "Qadyanies" as "Kafir" is concerned, no doubt this is the most important decision in the history of Pakistan and no doubt that credit goes to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto but saying that no Alim should be given a credit for his efforts is once again indicting your hatred feelings against Religious Scholars and those words are not written by you but actually your inside devil has written them. Were those thousands of people who were martyred in this movement belonged to Bhutto's PPP or to these Alims? Were those thousands of people who were jailed and tortured in this movement belonged to Bhutto's PPP or to these Alims? I haven't seen extremely shameful person than you who can twist the history for his personal benefits or for the benefits of his fellow secularists, Quran-e-Karim has used the word "KAZIBEEN" for these people. You talked about so many things but you have never shown any proof to me, same was the case when I asked you to show me a proof of Hafiz Saeed incident and about your fabricated Hadees related to China and I bet you can not show me a proof of your shameless statements that you frequently made in this forum including your current statement regarding your self-made conflict that was created on the definition of "Muslim".
You have said that Western societies have taken so much from Islam. There is no doubt in this that western societies have taken so much from Islam but still they have not taken every thing of Islam. They only took what suits them. But on the other hand, Allah (S.W.T) has strongly prohibited this act by declaring it as "NAFS PARSTI" and Allah says, "Deen May Poray Kay Poray Dakhil Ho Jao". Islam orders to cut the hands of thieves but western societies and their sycophant secularists like you often label this punishment as barbaric. Similarly, Islam orders for RAJAM (i.e.SANGSAAR) if accused was found guilty of fornication with four evidences but western societies and their sycophant secularists often label this punishment as barbaric because according to them this is congenital right of humans Naozubillah. Similarly, Islam orders to kill Proselytes (those who repudiate after accepting Islam i.e. Murtad) but your beloved western societies declared this punishment as barbaric because according to them this is congenital right of any human Naozubillah.
I do not call you as agent of anti-Pakistan or anti-Islam lobbies just because I have disagreement with you but because I do have some strong evidences that support my suspicion. Members of "Free Masons Movement" and "Fifth Column of USA" were given a task to separate religion from administration and from politics in all countries irrespective of their state religion in the whole world and unfortunately you are wittingly or unwittingly working to fulfill this agenda. For the same reason, they have developed so many systems and frameworks and secularism is one of them. Please try to understand that these systems like secularism and capitalism are developed by anti-Islam lobbies but you shameless dumb are trying to prove it as the best adaptable system for the country that was made in the name of Islam. Fie upon you!
And please don't try to make this forum hell.
Dear Shahbaz I think you have already read the nuisance uttered by this haughty secularist in his last post for you, so, it's my request that please don't talk with this stubborn and impudent person. He dislikes anyone who even plays arbitrary and independent role and this conservative person thinks everyone as his foe.
In a nutshell, in your previous post, you want to say that because there are various interpretations of Ahadees and Seerat-e-Tayyeba and because of difference of treatments and methodologies used by Khulafa-e-Rashedeen, Tabieen, Taba Tabaieen, Aima-e-Kram and then by Ulema of different sects, we should left Quran-O-Sunnat aside and start following Secularism because there is no conflict in the teachings of your beloved George Holyoke and other theorists of secularism. Another point which is raised by you and is quite often raised by other secularists who are living in our Islamic country "Pakistan"(which is one of those two countries in today's world whose basis is religion, the second one is Israel whose state religion is Jewish) is that what interpretation and more importantly whose interpretation is reliable in order to implement Islamic laws in Pakistan. Ulema-e-Kram of various sects know that Israeli Secularists and Propagandists like you will raise similar concerns, so, in order to rebut this presumption they (Ulema of various sects) sat together and they prepared a comprehensive report with their consensus but due to some internal conspiracies of your fellow secularists and external pressure on the government, the governments of General Zia-Ul-Haq Shaheed(Rehmatullah-e-Allieh) and second tenure of Nawaz Sharif were unable to implement Islamic laws in Pakistan.
As far as the event of declaration of "Qadyanies" as "Kafir" is concerned, no doubt this is the most important decision in the history of Pakistan and no doubt that credit goes to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto but saying that no Alim should be given a credit for his efforts is once again indicting your hatred feelings against Religious Scholars and those words are not written by you but actually your inside devil has written them. Were those thousands of people who were martyred in this movement belonged to Bhutto's PPP or to these Alims? Were those thousands of people who were jailed and tortured in this movement belonged to Bhutto's PPP or to these Alims? I haven't seen extremely shameful person than you who can twist the history for his personal benefits or for the benefits of his fellow secularists, Quran-e-Karim has used the word "KAZIBEEN" for these people. You talked about so many things but you have never shown any proof to me, same was the case when I asked you to show me a proof of Hafiz Saeed incident and about your fabricated Hadees related to China and I bet you can not show me a proof of your shameless statements that you frequently made in this forum including your current statement regarding your self-made conflict that was created on the definition of "Muslim".
You have said that Western societies have taken so much from Islam. There is no doubt in this that western societies have taken so much from Islam but still they have not taken every thing of Islam. They only took what suits them. But on the other hand, Allah (S.W.T) has strongly prohibited this act by declaring it as "NAFS PARSTI" and Allah says, "Deen May Poray Kay Poray Dakhil Ho Jao". Islam orders to cut the hands of thieves but western societies and their sycophant secularists like you often label this punishment as barbaric. Similarly, Islam orders for RAJAM (i.e.SANGSAAR) if accused was found guilty of fornication with four evidences but western societies and their sycophant secularists often label this punishment as barbaric because according to them this is congenital right of humans Naozubillah. Similarly, Islam orders to kill Proselytes (those who repudiate after accepting Islam i.e. Murtad) but your beloved western societies declared this punishment as barbaric because according to them this is congenital right of any human Naozubillah.
I do not call you as agent of anti-Pakistan or anti-Islam lobbies just because I have disagreement with you but because I do have some strong evidences that support my suspicion. Members of "Free Masons Movement" and "Fifth Column of USA" were given a task to separate religion from administration and from politics in all countries irrespective of their state religion in the whole world and unfortunately you are wittingly or unwittingly working to fulfill this agenda. For the same reason, they have developed so many systems and frameworks and secularism is one of them. Please try to understand that these systems like secularism and capitalism are developed by anti-Islam lobbies but you shameless dumb are trying to prove it as the best adaptable system for the country that was made in the name of Islam. Fie upon you!
And please don't try to make this forum hell.
Dear Shahbaz I think you have already read the nuisance uttered by this haughty secularist in his last post for you, so, it's my request that please don't talk with this stubborn and impudent person. He dislikes anyone who even plays arbitrary and independent role and this conservative person thinks everyone as his foe.