03-13-2009, 06:32 PM
Dears,
We see so many guys appearing here at once and start arguing and debating from their post one on any relevant or irrelevant topic. This is a forum for professional and general discussion and to my apprehension whoever is added as a member has a right to post his views provided these are within the cultural norms and conditions of this forum.
No body has to warn us that he is going to discuss any particular topic. No body is obliged to ask for our permission before posting his ideas. Like-wise we are no body to allow or disallow some one to speak here. What we can do is only to reply him with whatever logic we have with us. If we don't want to take the discussion longer it is our will. Similarly if some one wants to discuss till the end it is also the will of members unless intervened by Admin or the topic loses the worth and is abandoned. It is of course not a sher-e-accounting dangal. It is also not a dangal between various origins i.e. third world and some so-called developed honest countries.
We must not call any one Kaafir if he claims to be a muslim. Of course it is not two plus two. All other issues are humanly issues and could be treated as two plus two. Either it is matter of institutions, qualifications, market shares, performance, importance or whatever. We daily see rankings for teams, players, performers and everything. But TAQVA, Faith or Religions have no ranking any where. It's ranking is only made by Allah and we Naoozbillah can never become the judges to replace his authority. We simply ignore it. We are not the leaseholders of any religion or faith. This is between God and human. I always remember the message conveyed by Soorah-e-Feel. AbdulMutlab (God bless him) told Abraha that Ka'ba is Allah's home and he knows better how to keep it safe. I know it was prior to Islam, still, this was the faith which worked and made a historical incident.
Our duty is to convey the message of Allah, convince the others to all extents, provide all logics and eventually leave it to Allah and his Abad. This is what Prophet PBUH told us. One must read the contents of Khutba delivered at Jummah-tul-Widah. He PBUH never ordered to kill any one merely for the reason of being disbeliever. We may not pick up swords unless the conditions warranting it are crystallized.
I agree that we should not call the others indecently. I understand this happens most of the times as reaction of some action. Still, if anywhere this has been done by me or anybody else is incorrect. I never said I am out of any category being criticized.
The person who has issues with any Faith or belief should be given logics. We can also pray for him. It's weird to call him Kaafir. One might have been affected by any websites etc but this does not necessarily make us to call him that he must be a Kaafir since he appeared at once and then disappeared. So many people do the same thing here on so many threads. The one who says he is muslim cannot be declared non-muslim without Ijmah-e-Ummah. This is a rule, if I am wrong let me know. Further, even if we consider the things with other parameters, force cannot be used unless it is warranted and unless the Dawat has been properly given. I wonder if we all are able to convey the Dawat in its real sense. A long discussion could be made on it as well but this topic does not require it.
I wonder if all the muslims around us who are dishonest, bribers, drunker, rapists, ignorant of prayers fasting zakat and other basics of Islam, are declared kaafir by us while we know these acts could not be done by faithfuls and believers. If this has to be done believe you me more than 70 percent would vanish.
We need tolerance on religious matters. Of course these have nothing to do with personal or professional issues.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
We see so many guys appearing here at once and start arguing and debating from their post one on any relevant or irrelevant topic. This is a forum for professional and general discussion and to my apprehension whoever is added as a member has a right to post his views provided these are within the cultural norms and conditions of this forum.
No body has to warn us that he is going to discuss any particular topic. No body is obliged to ask for our permission before posting his ideas. Like-wise we are no body to allow or disallow some one to speak here. What we can do is only to reply him with whatever logic we have with us. If we don't want to take the discussion longer it is our will. Similarly if some one wants to discuss till the end it is also the will of members unless intervened by Admin or the topic loses the worth and is abandoned. It is of course not a sher-e-accounting dangal. It is also not a dangal between various origins i.e. third world and some so-called developed honest countries.
We must not call any one Kaafir if he claims to be a muslim. Of course it is not two plus two. All other issues are humanly issues and could be treated as two plus two. Either it is matter of institutions, qualifications, market shares, performance, importance or whatever. We daily see rankings for teams, players, performers and everything. But TAQVA, Faith or Religions have no ranking any where. It's ranking is only made by Allah and we Naoozbillah can never become the judges to replace his authority. We simply ignore it. We are not the leaseholders of any religion or faith. This is between God and human. I always remember the message conveyed by Soorah-e-Feel. AbdulMutlab (God bless him) told Abraha that Ka'ba is Allah's home and he knows better how to keep it safe. I know it was prior to Islam, still, this was the faith which worked and made a historical incident.
Our duty is to convey the message of Allah, convince the others to all extents, provide all logics and eventually leave it to Allah and his Abad. This is what Prophet PBUH told us. One must read the contents of Khutba delivered at Jummah-tul-Widah. He PBUH never ordered to kill any one merely for the reason of being disbeliever. We may not pick up swords unless the conditions warranting it are crystallized.
I agree that we should not call the others indecently. I understand this happens most of the times as reaction of some action. Still, if anywhere this has been done by me or anybody else is incorrect. I never said I am out of any category being criticized.
The person who has issues with any Faith or belief should be given logics. We can also pray for him. It's weird to call him Kaafir. One might have been affected by any websites etc but this does not necessarily make us to call him that he must be a Kaafir since he appeared at once and then disappeared. So many people do the same thing here on so many threads. The one who says he is muslim cannot be declared non-muslim without Ijmah-e-Ummah. This is a rule, if I am wrong let me know. Further, even if we consider the things with other parameters, force cannot be used unless it is warranted and unless the Dawat has been properly given. I wonder if we all are able to convey the Dawat in its real sense. A long discussion could be made on it as well but this topic does not require it.
I wonder if all the muslims around us who are dishonest, bribers, drunker, rapists, ignorant of prayers fasting zakat and other basics of Islam, are declared kaafir by us while we know these acts could not be done by faithfuls and believers. If this has to be done believe you me more than 70 percent would vanish.
We need tolerance on religious matters. Of course these have nothing to do with personal or professional issues.
Regards,
KAMRAN.