03-13-2009, 05:11 AM
Dear amahmood_satti
I would say your post is quite reasonable regarding Islam and Muslims. At the same time, I would like to reply for one of your observation. You wrote, ââ¦until the opponent is defeated or convinced.â At-least this is not the case with me. For me, it is not the matter of defeat or to be convinced by someone, though I can indulge myself in writing un-ending posts, words for words, more logic for contra logic etc. I simply write down my ideas for readers and leave it for their synthesis, and if anyone replies, I give replies only a few times. If I stop replying, it does not mean that I am backing off or convinced, but simply I donât wanna overstretch the reasons unnecessarily. For example, recently we have seen a thread about an institution in Pakistan, on which writers unnecessarily expanded arguments which ended-up on personal bickering. Personally, I think that thread and arguments should have ended much earlier. For another example, in my view discussion about subjective and qualitative aspects of various accounting associations is not as straight forward as 2 plus 2, and even if it is to someone, neither it triggers the right nor makes dissenting party eligible to pass personal comments. Similarly, in my understanding, Islam and Uswa-e-Hasana does not distinguish between professional discussion and discussion on religion, does not permit to be personalized, and require same humbleness in every aspect of life including professional competition. Therefore, I did not write further on this or other points, because simply to me, it would be arguments, counter arguments, and then further arguments⦠without end⦠but surely not defeat or convincing. My intention is to write in âhob-e-Aliâ and not in âbughz-e-Moawiyahâ (it is a simple Urdu proverb. I hope people would not start a religious debate here and would take it lightly as a proverb). Though I think many people start from first group, and intentionally or un-intentionally, steer away and end-up in second group. For me, neither it is a "sher-e-accounting dangal" nor we are in a wrestling ring.
Regarding above post of FarhanCPA, my impression is still the same as before that he is covering himself behind muslim name user-ID to confuse ordinary and simple muslim minds. There are some reasons to have this impression, for example, he knows enough details to attack Islam but does not understand it. See how many ordinary adult muslims in Pakistan (which is dominantly muslim country) know about the age references (he gave for marriage) belong to which personalities of Islam. Moreover, the exact words and terms he used can easily be found on Indian and other websites where people discuss negatively about Islam. Similarly, he just appeared on the forum and on the whole forum he found only this thread to write his negative remarks about the religion, in his very first post. He could not find any thing else of mutual interest on the whole forum. Interestingâ¦What was his objective? Derogatory remarks, insult, or discussion?
In my view, every one has right to have any faith or no faith or any ideas about other religions or to discuss anything. BUT⦠the way to approach others should be proper, AND, if other party is agreed to have such discussion. NOT exposing oneself all of a sudden, without prior warning, by unwarranted behavior. Intention of my post was to remind him about the Canadian societyâs norms, from where he claims to belong, so he can better understand. I know, people in Pakistan are accustomed to have discussions on any topic, anywhere, everywhere, anytime i.e. on street, in offices, in any gathering. I know Canada is not the end for some, but FarhanCPA was claiming to be from Canada.
I hope readers would take this post positively.
Regarding spending time on posts, yeah, I am seriously thinking these days to reallocate my time on furtherance of personal educational endeavors. So, most likely, you guys would see less activity from my side in near future.
Regards
I would say your post is quite reasonable regarding Islam and Muslims. At the same time, I would like to reply for one of your observation. You wrote, ââ¦until the opponent is defeated or convinced.â At-least this is not the case with me. For me, it is not the matter of defeat or to be convinced by someone, though I can indulge myself in writing un-ending posts, words for words, more logic for contra logic etc. I simply write down my ideas for readers and leave it for their synthesis, and if anyone replies, I give replies only a few times. If I stop replying, it does not mean that I am backing off or convinced, but simply I donât wanna overstretch the reasons unnecessarily. For example, recently we have seen a thread about an institution in Pakistan, on which writers unnecessarily expanded arguments which ended-up on personal bickering. Personally, I think that thread and arguments should have ended much earlier. For another example, in my view discussion about subjective and qualitative aspects of various accounting associations is not as straight forward as 2 plus 2, and even if it is to someone, neither it triggers the right nor makes dissenting party eligible to pass personal comments. Similarly, in my understanding, Islam and Uswa-e-Hasana does not distinguish between professional discussion and discussion on religion, does not permit to be personalized, and require same humbleness in every aspect of life including professional competition. Therefore, I did not write further on this or other points, because simply to me, it would be arguments, counter arguments, and then further arguments⦠without end⦠but surely not defeat or convincing. My intention is to write in âhob-e-Aliâ and not in âbughz-e-Moawiyahâ (it is a simple Urdu proverb. I hope people would not start a religious debate here and would take it lightly as a proverb). Though I think many people start from first group, and intentionally or un-intentionally, steer away and end-up in second group. For me, neither it is a "sher-e-accounting dangal" nor we are in a wrestling ring.
Regarding above post of FarhanCPA, my impression is still the same as before that he is covering himself behind muslim name user-ID to confuse ordinary and simple muslim minds. There are some reasons to have this impression, for example, he knows enough details to attack Islam but does not understand it. See how many ordinary adult muslims in Pakistan (which is dominantly muslim country) know about the age references (he gave for marriage) belong to which personalities of Islam. Moreover, the exact words and terms he used can easily be found on Indian and other websites where people discuss negatively about Islam. Similarly, he just appeared on the forum and on the whole forum he found only this thread to write his negative remarks about the religion, in his very first post. He could not find any thing else of mutual interest on the whole forum. Interestingâ¦What was his objective? Derogatory remarks, insult, or discussion?
In my view, every one has right to have any faith or no faith or any ideas about other religions or to discuss anything. BUT⦠the way to approach others should be proper, AND, if other party is agreed to have such discussion. NOT exposing oneself all of a sudden, without prior warning, by unwarranted behavior. Intention of my post was to remind him about the Canadian societyâs norms, from where he claims to belong, so he can better understand. I know, people in Pakistan are accustomed to have discussions on any topic, anywhere, everywhere, anytime i.e. on street, in offices, in any gathering. I know Canada is not the end for some, but FarhanCPA was claiming to be from Canada.
I hope readers would take this post positively.
Regarding spending time on posts, yeah, I am seriously thinking these days to reallocate my time on furtherance of personal educational endeavors. So, most likely, you guys would see less activity from my side in near future.
Regards