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derivativetrader
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - Dec 12 2004 : 6:12:50 PM
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The thing is that the CPC (code of professional conduct) of any professional body is a very strong withstanding, and every institution follows it very religiously! Now I am not too sure if ANY actuarial body, will allow other members of the body to disclose, distribute or disseminate any information about it’s functions etc, EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY APPOINTED FOR THE TASK! This may even include any sort of counseling etc. at the level of any forum!
It is certainly not true. No profession would like the image of what actuaries had in the past. Therefore, you can disclose information about the profession if you have any.
Only thing that you can't disclose is the policy about not disclosing your salaries which some organisation adopt - just because they adopt discremination among their colleagues.
Secondly, you can't disclose any information about your firm's clients etc.
All other information which is general in nature can be disclosed and you wouldn't be breaching any CPC.
DT
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usman.mur
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 08 2005 : 4:45:56 PM
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| i was wonderin if i could get the actuaril students handbook. my e-mail addresse is usman.mur@gmail.com. also could u email me the web addresses of both the english and the usa based boards |
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Enigma
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 15 2005 : 02:27:25 AM
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hi ......
Sumaan great work done by you ...... i really appreciate it ...... well m doing BS acturial Sci n risk mang. frm Karachi University n planning for course 1 which is hell difficult . |
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umair_ali
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 12:57:21 PM
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| which abroad university teaches acturian sciences |
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derivativetrader
Manager
United Kingdom
605 Posts |
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umair_ali
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 28 2005 : 5:16:08 PM
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derivativetrader
Manager
United Kingdom
605 Posts |
Posted - Aug 29 2005 : 8:19:57 PM
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Originally posted by umair_ali
tnx buddy
Pleasure |
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paachi009
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Oct 25 2005 : 12:49:04 AM
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hi guyz.......nice work doing here.....sir i m also a new member........n i wanna know that the program which is offfering by karachi university namly BS in ACTURIAL SCIENCES AND RISK MANAGEMENT has the same scope as n actuire.....if no than wat itz scope....can u plz tell me....i will b realy thankful 2 u.....n plz also send me the booklet plz
my i d is paachi87@yahoo.com
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sana18
Unregistered Trainee
USA
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Posted - Jun 15 2006 : 11:17:57 AM
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my name is sana and I am new to this forum...Mr.Sumaan, can u kindly send the actuarial student handbook to me too, the same u sent to Waqas. Waiting for ur response. Thanx alot..
my yahoo id is sony_nedian2002@yahoo.com |
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Breakevens
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Jul 13 2006 : 02:36:01 AM
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| u've been taking actuarial sciences and more considerably from pakistan,on all these grounds,i would like 2 know that what are the majors u're being taught(i.e subjects and which books u are being reffered for financial mathematics and especially calculus).i hope u wont find it as a test of yr abilities but at least i want to kn0w about actuarial sciences as well especially when it comes in the context of pakistan. |
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Shuja
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 6:21:25 PM
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Hi guys,
I just kinda noticed that people in the forum were talking about universities in the UK and the Institute of Actuaries (in the UK), theres also quite a few places in Canada that have actuarial science schools (however Canada follows the American System of Actuarial Science) so if anybody would like any info about those please feel free to ask.
regards,
Shuja. |
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hunain2003
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 04 2006 : 4:26:58 PM
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hi, i'm new here. i'm interested in joining actuarial science and i'v already applied to some american and canadian universities. firstly i wanted 2 ask u which of the two systems do the employers prefer(british or american)and secondly, could you plz send the actuarial science handbook 2 me as you have been sending to other people. my email adress is hunain2003@hotmail.com . also, if for example, i finish my bachelors in actuarial in US and i write the first two papers, how much would employers pay me for tat.
thanx
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Shuja
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 04 2006 : 9:24:45 PM
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hey hunain,
To tell you the truth the employment preference over the UK and US system is quite regional, employers in north america prefer people from the Society of Actuaries or the Casualty Actuarial Society and employers in Europe prefer the UK system. Most countries outside these regions either accept both (unless their head office is in North America or Europe). And plus once you gain fellowship in either system attaining fellowship in the other would only require passing a few extra exams. Initially when I applied for university I got into a few places in Canada and the UK and I had a really hard time deciding where to go, however I ended up going to Canada, not to say that Canada is better in any way, its just that theres more desi people here :).
The biggest advantage that US/Canadian universities have over UK universities is the four year system (which is usually seen as a disadvantage to most people), actuarial programs in the UK usually dive into actuarial science in the first year and, this is purely my opinion (please someone correct me if I'm wrong), most actuarial programs in the UK focus more on the actuarial science whereas US/Canadian universities focus more on the mathematics, in fact in my first year all we did was math which gave me a chance to see whether actuarial science was really for me (in fact cuz of first year I've opted for an alternate degree in pure math). However, having said this there are a few degrees in the UK that give this mathematical focus and option such as the Bsc in Mathematics with statistics [for finance] at Imperial College or the MMORSE course at Warwick.
There is also a little bit of a difference between US universities and Canadian Universities teaching Actuarial Science, the best US programs in Actuarial Science such as the ones at Wharton (upenn), UIUC, Columbia and Michigan (Ann Arbor) usually only perpare students for the first two courses (except Wharton who teach up to three). Whereas the best Actuarial Science Programs in Canada (at Toronto and Waterloo) fully prepare students for four exams and have many optional courses that will prepare students for the 5th and 6th course as well. But the fact still remains that actuarial jobs are more competitive in Canada than in the US, most entry level actuarial jobs in Canada usually require over 3 exams where as in the US such jobs would only require between 1-2 exams. Salaries for entry level actuaries are quite good usually over $40,000 a year, I myself am a second year student so that value might be a little inaccurate.
Anyways, I hope I've been helpful and if you have any further questions please don't hesitate to ask.
regards,
Shuja. |
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derivativetrader
Manager
United Kingdom
605 Posts |
Posted - Aug 04 2006 : 11:56:11 PM
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Having recently graduating in actuarial science from a leading school in London, I think employers usually prefer personality and a 'fit' more than how many exemptions some one has. The situation might be different in Pakistan but I'm sure just as British, American employers wouldn't give a lot of credit for having a significant amount of exemptions. Having a couple of exemptions is a different situation, however.
Secondly, Hunain, if you are still deciding on which offer to sign, I would recommend giving more weight on the university's overall ranking than the program's. No body knows for sure whether the actuarial profession is for them until after 2 years in to their BSc., as then they are actually itroduced to the actual actuarial syllabus. First year courses, irrespective of the place, are usually designed to create a level field for students as not every one has same mathematical background. They are designed so that when stduents go to second years they all have same knolwedge and they could choose their options on equal basis.
Finally, I think salaries in the UK, again depends on the region - South-East pays more, and business, i.e. consultancy or life office, are from £25k in London and from £20k rest of the country. Please note that they are starting salaries and depending on number exemptions could be more (roughly £500 per exam).
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Shuja
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 05 2006 : 12:51:07 AM
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Hey DT,
Congrats on your graduation man!
regards,
Shuja. |
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insaan
Semi Senior
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 07 2006 : 02:32:37 AM
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hey DT gr8 dat u hav completed ur bachs
CONGRATULATIONS..
i know u quite long in this forum specially when i myself was sitting for exam P
here i wud just wanna know few things for sake of my knowledge
as far as i remember u were enrolled at LSE..
means u r almost an AIA ,how many exemptions are nowadays being granted...as i havent updated myself since then
now wat u feel is a better route for an entry level student..did u find easy goin with LSE or in ur opinion SOA or IOA had been better options
how much it cost 2 u???on app. aggregate basis
is it possible 2 graduate from LSE alongwith a part time job as many people goin abroad hav 2..means is there any evening program etc
so salaries are still on a rising trend...M I rite..many people i know2 yrs back had an opinion that salary rising trend wud be on a comparative decline
plus are there any exemptions,scholarships etc given by LSE if a student say from pakistan wana join LSE for ay program..let it be accountancy/management/Act Sc
& at wat rank does LSE stands nowadays on international ranking chart
thx..
AND Best Of LUck
+ if u intend to come pakistan do let me know ... i know a few Act profs here...they might b of sum help 2 u
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Shuja
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 10 2006 : 9:44:44 PM
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Hey Insaan,
Did you sit for exam P in Pakistan?
shuja. |
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insaan
Semi Senior
Pakistan
192 Posts |
Posted - Aug 11 2006 : 12:30:39 AM
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yah shuja i did but at dat time i had already enrolled myself 4 CA from ICap ,and my 1st target was always CA,so i wasnt ever serious towards ACtsc..however i sat for exam P while preparing 4 CA...so i got a 3..later i realized its not a gud option attemtping ACtSc with CA..as CA itself is a full time study..so i finally opted CA..and now am in module C
well howz goin at ur end???? |
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Shuja
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 11 2006 : 8:40:03 PM
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Hey Insaan,
Yeah things are okay, still deciding whether I should study act sci or go into pure/applied math.
shuja. |
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derivativetrader
Manager
United Kingdom
605 Posts |
Posted - Aug 12 2006 : 05:04:15 AM
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Originally posted by insaan
hey DT gr8 dat u hav completed ur bachs
CONGRATULATIONS..
i know u quite long in this forum specially when i myself was sitting for exam P
here i wud just wanna know few things for sake of my knowledge
as far as i remember u were enrolled at LSE..
means u r almost an AIA ,how many exemptions are nowadays being granted...as i havent updated myself since then
now wat u feel is a better route for an entry level student..did u find easy goin with LSE or in ur opinion SOA or IOA had been better options
how much it cost 2 u???on app. aggregate basis
is it possible 2 graduate from LSE alongwith a part time job as many people goin abroad hav 2..means is there any evening program etc
so salaries are still on a rising trend...M I rite..many people i know2 yrs back had an opinion that salary rising trend wud be on a comparative decline
plus are there any exemptions,scholarships etc given by LSE if a student say from pakistan wana join LSE for ay program..let it be accountancy/management/Act Sc
& at wat rank does LSE stands nowadays on international ranking chart
thx..
AND Best Of LUck
+ if u intend to come pakistan do let me know ... i know a few Act profs here...they might b of sum help 2 u
1. You can get most of the CT exemptions from Act Sc programme at LSE so you are very close to becoming an AIA if you have done a good degree.
2. I think a BS is mmust if you want to succeed in western economies. MS is generally not required and could go seriously wrong if you haven't done it strategically. I think I developed a lot of skills and competencies that I wouldn't have had had I not been to LSE. LSE gives you platform to experience good variety of careers, including financial services, politics, industry etc. If I were to start again, I would still go for LSE. (Note that I took a decision 4 years ago when I had offer from Oxford to go in favour of LSE and since that day I have no regrets).
3. The three year study at LSE would approximately cost about £50,000, which includes tuition, accom. etc.
4. You can work upto 20hrs a week and many students do work parttime to get some cash. All classes for ug studies are in day-time.
5. Salaries depends on industry and profession. In finance, there is a huge range. Starting salaries are low but they can go up rapidly if you are performing well in a profession/firm.
6. For ug there are some scholarhsips available and they are very very competitive.
7. I don't believe in ranking. Thing that counts is if you are studying at LSE or are graduate of LSE, you can explore any thing you desire to explore. You could try management/strategic consulting, investment banking, investment consulting, actuarial, big 4 accountancy, magic circle law firms etc. With a good LSE degree and an interest for further study, you can also get admission in top UK and USA schools.
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iverson
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 25 2006 : 7:30:52 PM
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hi to all
i am a new member can anyone tell me whats the scope of doing bs in acturial science from karachi university which they have recently started
and can one can make career in USA after studying for this bs from karachi university
i request you all to reply |
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mubina
Unregistered Trainee
17 Posts |
Posted - Aug 27 2006 : 5:01:29 PM
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AOA
Salam to everyone, I have been reading these forums for quite some time now, and see all the difficulties that everyone is going through. I suggest you check out this site, so that you can see how many people have advice for you that is suitable, also this iste is very good for getting information on reports about accounting!
http://www.feeree.com/pages/accounting |
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sherry
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
23 Posts |
Posted - Oct 12 2006 : 12:33:15 AM
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| mr. sumaan plz tell me about the scope of mba from iba or lums |
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smarty_aamir
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Dec 14 2006 : 11:09:58 AM
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Asalam o Alaikum
i m doing BE Textilez frm NED .I just gav my 3rd yr pprz.i wanna info. abt Acturial sciences.
plz ppl send me the whole info. to my e-mail address
muhdaamirkhan@hotmail.com |
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iceman_pk
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Jan 10 2007 : 4:24:01 PM
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Dear members,
this is my first post to this forum. i wanted to know more about actuarial science what is minimum eligibility for it and from where can i get addmission in pakistan.
ur messages on this forum and on my hotmail id shall be entertained.
thank you all in advance and plzz do send that handbook at my id qadir_fareedpk@hotmail.com
regards, |
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Kummi
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
1 Posts |
Posted - Apr 12 2009 : 6:25:48 PM
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Hi Mr. Sumaaan,
I'll be finishing my A levels this summer. I was actually planning to do ACCA and then CA. but yesterday my friend told me about Acturial Sciences. so can u help me with that whats the difference b/w both and which one a better scope in Pakistan and abroad? |
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taha
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
1 Posts |
Posted - Jul 22 2009 : 7:19:40 PM
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....heyy...plz help me....IoBM is also offering actuarial sciences BS...N M planning to apply in both KU and IoBM in this program...
the problem is...i have heard that the entry test of this field is very tough but what does it contain..i have no knowledge of this...plz help me..n tell me from where i can prepare for its aptitude test..( i cant find any sample paper on IoBM site n in KU site.i dint even find the faculty of actuary!)
HELP! |
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naviwala
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
1 Posts |
Posted - Sep 18 2009 : 4:45:47 PM
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hey mr.Sumaan
can u plz send me dat actuary handbook az wel?????
reply to: usman.naviwala@hotmail.com |
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qasimfarasat
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
1 Posts |
Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 2:23:03 PM
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Asslam O Alaikum everyone..im thnking of doing actuarial sciences from abroad, most probably canada..the only thing that is restricting me to move on is that are there plenty no. pf jobs for such a field in PAKISTAN?....
QASim FARASAT |
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shoaibuddin
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
7 Posts |
Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 4:09:41 PM
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hi ,
i m register in SOA and preparing Exam P. can i easliy found internship after pass Exam P
plz replay
than you |
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shoaibuddin
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
7 Posts |
Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 4:13:07 PM
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hi,
can i found easliy internship after pass Exam p ?
plz replay
thank you |
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Mujahid
Senior
Pakistan
305 Posts |
Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 11:56:15 PM
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shoaib,
Replay game mein hota hai aur forums mein reply. Bohat faraq hai dude. Kindly english language pe bhi dhiyaan dein agar use karne ka itna hi shauq hai. Allah aap k ilm mein aur izafa kare. Aameen. |
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shoaibuddin
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
7 Posts |
Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 01:30:48 AM
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hi,
After the pass Exam p can i found easliy internship in any firm in karachi?? |
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wix
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
1 Posts |
Posted - Jun 28 2010 : 02:35:39 AM
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Hi everyone .
this forum has been a real help, keep up the good work.
and can I too please get a copy of the actuarial sci. hand book.
my Id is wahib_rocks@hotmail.com
That will be all Thank you. |
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dustgir
Junior
Pakistan
56 Posts |
Posted - Dec 02 2010 : 12:41:26 PM
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Kindly mail me actuarial student handbook at dustgir@gmail.com
Kind Regards |
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Mujtaba Ali
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Dec 14 2010 : 10:21:36 PM
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Asalamualikum..
My name is Mujtaba .. and i am new to this forum .. i am doin BS(ARM) actuarial sciences and Risk management from IOMB university karachi ..
i am also preparing for Exam P and FM of SOA .. i just want to knw that if i could find teachers in karachi or atleast some help from anyone ..
and also please forward me the student actuarial handbook or paste the link where i could find it !
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arsalan7
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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fujistu
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
15 Posts |
Posted - Apr 05 2011 : 1:12:08 PM
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sorry buddy i cant help you because i have no idea about this
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fujistu
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
15 Posts |
Posted - Apr 11 2011 : 11:31:40 AM
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Actuarial science is the discipline that applies mathematical and statistical methods to assess risk in the insurance and finance industries. Actuaries are professionals who are qualified in this field through education and experience and its a bright feature in Europe and pakistan
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syed2011
Unregistered Trainee
United Kingdom
18 Posts |
Posted - Apr 28 2011 : 09:45:27 AM
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| After long time reseach on universities that offer Actuarial Science, i still undecided on which university to go. I have a few choices here : LSE, City, Heriot Watt, Kent, Swansea, Southampton, Manchester. So, please give me some advice of which uni to go! |
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Foreigner
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - May 12 2011 : 02:13:11 AM
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I think all of these universities are good. Well known too. Why do you want to go to UK, and not another country for actuarial science.
Is it not possible to give actuarial exams in Pakistan? |
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steve12
Unregistered Trainee
India
1 Posts |
Posted - Sep 21 2011 : 6:01:54 PM
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