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bilal azhar
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Posted - Jan 26 2005 : 7:25:33 PM
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Basant is about to arrive next sunday.Which door is the best.i have arranged peechas with my friend and i want to win.please tell me the name of the door which is best for "kangas"
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maani
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Posted - Jan 26 2005 : 8:57:01 PM
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Last year two new "doors" appeared in the market..."100 Haathi" and "20 sanggal"...they really worked well... some years ago only "8 chain" and "2 bears" were considered as good "doors"... but things have changed jus visit "Mochi Gate"...u ll find some very fine newest brands....but the prices are almost fixed now a days...
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ali zeeshan
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Posted - Jan 27 2005 : 7:06:29 PM
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Nice to know new news about basant. tell me the exact date of basant and the beggist event when and where is happening
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bilal azhar
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Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 02:40:25 AM
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ITS on 6th february(sunday) and the whole Lahore will go mad.If rain stays away then there is also mini basant this sunday.
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ali zeeshan
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Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 3:47:14 PM
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Thanks Alot bilal Could u plz tell me where is the biggest event of basant is commencing .
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maani
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Posted - Jan 31 2005 : 01:48:50 AM
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the real main events will be in "androon lahore"... roof tops like PC Hotel or Holiday Inn have a "maahole" touch only...
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bilal azhar
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Posted - Jan 31 2005 : 01:55:41 AM
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I read in the newspaper that main event of Basant will commence from Race course park. I agree with manni that main basant will be celebrated in indoor lahore.nothing will happen in hotels except "ayshi".
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bilal azhar
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Posted - Feb 03 2005 : 02:19:20 AM
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i heard on geo that some of the super stars of indian cinema are coming from india including miss world.They might have to go back because there are more than 70 percent chance of rain on basant.
Often people say that basant is a Hindu rism and to celebrate it is a sin.i think in country like pakistan where there are very few chances of entertainment especially for poor and middle class,this is a very good opportunity to lessen their tension.There is nothing wrong in flying kites unless u are on the hotel(infact in the hotel).
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Posted - Feb 03 2005 : 1:16:03 PM
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I dont know the history of Basant bilal, can u tell me when it was started and what was the reason behind that?? I asked the same question to one of my friend, he told me that in during 17th century, there was a Hindu, who used some bad words for our Holy Prophet, and due to that he was punished to be hanged till death, and he died so despite of huge protest by Hindu Community. and After his death, the Basant was started in his 'Yaad'... I dont know whether it is correct or not... any comments....?
As far as the reducing the tension is concerned, are we supposed to reduce our tension of whole year in a day or night?? As far as I know it is not the entertainment of Poor people, the person having 5000 to 10000 income per month cannot afford the cost of Kites and 'Doors' as you will be well aware of the prices of the same.
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ali zeeshan
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Posted - Feb 04 2005 : 8:09:25 PM
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hi, you are quite right SAM this is not a low cost entertainment but every one can see and enjoy with this event that's the onething i like about this event and then u talked abut that HINDO who was punished and handged till death i am not sure about that it is true or not. Up to my knowledge it is a festival which was firstly started by Chinese and then it gone to Far East India and the Hindoooos were the one to celebrate this festival. But i think if we change the BASANT to JASHN-E-BAHARAN then it would be better and loooks compromising. |
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Shahid_fss
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Posted - Feb 04 2005 : 8:47:01 PM
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Posted - Feb 04 2005 : 9:47:33 PM
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quote: Originally posted by smraza
I dont know the history of Basant bilal, can u tell me when it was started and what was the reason behind that?? I asked the same question to one of my friend, he told me that in during 17th century, there was a Hindu, who used some bad words for our Holy Prophet, and due to that he was punished to be hanged till death, and he died so despite of huge protest by Hindu Community. and After his death, the Basant was started in his 'Yaad'... I dont know whether it is correct or not... any comments....?
As far as the reducing the tension is concerned, are we supposed to reduce our tension of whole year in a day or night?? As far as I know it is not the entertainment of Poor people, the person having 5000 to 10000 income per month cannot afford the cost of Kites and 'Doors' as you will be well aware of the prices of the same.
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Some facts on the BASANT !
The day of Basant Panchami is dedicated to Goddess Sarasvati. Sarasvati is the goddess of learning. Sarasvati bestows the greatest wealth to humanity, the wealth of knowledge. In the Vedas the prayer for Sarasvati depicts her as a white lady in white dress bedecked with white flowers and white pearls, sitting on a white lotus, which is blooming in a wide stretch of water. . The prayer finally concludes, “Oh Mother Sarasvati remove the darkness (ignorance) of my mind and bless me with the eternal knowledge.”
I can understand that it's a a cultural thing more than a tradtion.i can also understand that some are are really emotional about it....calling "Basant" as their cultural identity. Well, focus more on ur Islamic sire den that 'Basant" side. I don't see people celebrating shab e Qadr as much as they do Basant !
Every year Basant gives rise to much denunciation on the part of the clergy in general and the religious parties in particular who even threaten ‘action’. Heretofore unknown clerics throw themselves into the fray outdoing each other in interpreting Basant in horrible details, going to the extent of b*****ng it a commemorative festival of an insult to our Prophet (PBUH). Of course officially what we are supposed to celebrate is the Spring Festival but, unofficially, it is kite-flying
Here is an Extract from the WEbsite of Jang Newspaper quote: There are demons in Basant that make it increasingly difficult for the supporters of popular culture to defend the festival. The toll on life is big. The losses suffered by the Lahore Electric Supply Company, that run into several millions each year, have led to processions in Lahore demanding a ban on kite flying. Indeed, the government has imposed a general ban on kite flying, which is the essence of Basant, many a time, allowing the revellers a reprieve around Basant time. This ban has never been effective and Lahore's horizon remains dotted with kites of all shapes, colours and sizes all through the winter and even in summer.
There are factors that lead to such observations that Basant isn't quite the popular fair it used to be. The past belongs to the people, and the present to the 'high' government officials and their mighty multi-million partners. The old saying that Basant cuts across class barriers and unites the whole of Lahore stands nullified. Today there are three Basants in Lahore, three threads existing separately. The government celebrates one Basant, the corporate sector is promotes another, and the third one involves the people.
There was a time not long ago when the festival of Basant revelled in its people's only disposition. Kite flying was frowned upon in the official circles and indeed inside many homes as a sport of the bamboo-wielding louts and street urchins. As if that was not enough, it was termed as a Hindu festival unfit for the purified environs of Pakistan. Basant then was held on a working day in accordance with the announcement of the Kite-Flying Association, and the bunking schoolboy exposed himself to lashes from his class master. This was followed by a renaissance period, where the cultural icons of the city were seen giving Basant respectability from the rooftops of their grand mansions in the company of the stars from the showbiz and local and foreign dignitaries traveling across from Islamabad. More money was thrown into it and more frills were added.
In Lahore it became a bigger, a more passionate affair than other occasions, including religious ones. Women's participation in the festivities became more visible, the number of guests from across the border increased and the time warp was broken by extending the celebrations into the night. In fact, there were so many changes hat kite flying was reduced to one of the components, rather than being the main item on the menu.
Kasur had a Basant of its own to go with that of Lahore. Soon other cities in Punjab and even Karachi and Islamabad came up with their own mini versions of the festival. The event has been growing in size and its duration has increased, leading to familiar comments that entertainment-starved Pakistanis are prone to stretching things to an extent where they lose their appeal and become ordinary affairs. Purists insist that the festival must retain its kite flying essence. They argue fervently that it should retain its sunny spring appearance, dismissing a Basant under floodlights as a diversion from the true path. All in vain, in the face of a people who have few fun alternatives available.
The government's role as a patron of the kite-flying festival is a recent one. Nawaz Sharif gave Basant his blessings, and other rulers have followed suit. So much so that this year, Chief Minister Pervaiz Elahi has himself fixed the date of the Basant festival. It is going to be celebrated on February 6, a few days earlier on account of Moharram, which is to start in the second week of February. After so many tragic deaths caused by the sharp twine used in kite flying, the emphasis is on ensuring safety while celebrating the occasion.
Yet, the feeling is that the official Basant bans have been provoked not so much by loss of life but by the loss of revenues to the power suppliers to Lahore. Whatever loss may be bigger in the official eye, it is believed that the most effective monitors could be the local bodies representatives that have shown little to justify their presence at the grassroots. They have to be employed into service in these desperate times since they are closer to the people, and we don't have too many other options to ensure a safe game.
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Posted - Feb 04 2005 : 10:43:32 PM
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bilal azhar
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Posted - Feb 05 2005 : 02:57:05 AM
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I think that those people who are saying that huge amount of money is lost, should think that it is through this money that thousands of poor people earn "Rozgar". AS most of people say that only rich can buy kites and door,in a sense that is very good because this will mean circulation of money from rich to poor.
IT is the way u perceive things that enables u to make a conclusion about it.My perception is that what ever is the history of Basant,we should celebrate it as "jasan bahara".
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ali zeeshan
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Posted - Feb 05 2005 : 4:20:33 PM
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you are quite right bilal. from this day many people get money for their children but on ther ontherhand they also spent on buying kites and doors etc
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Posted - Feb 05 2005 : 10:45:00 PM
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For detailed Information abt Basant plz read the below quoted post
quote: BASANT KI TAREEKH:
BASANT K BARY MAI ATA HAI K YEH AIK HINDU TEHWAR HAI AUR IS KO MANAY K LIAY HAMARY HAN HAR SAL MUKHTALIF TAREEQAY APNAY JATY HAIN DR.B.S MOR APNI BOOK (PUNJAB UNDER THE MUGHALS) MAI LIKHATY HAIN K HAQEEQAT RAY SIALKOT K AIK KHASHTARI KA LARKA THA,US NAI MOHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) AUR HAZRAT FATIMA(R.T.A)KI SHAN MAI SAKHT NA ZAIB ALFAZ ISTEMAL KIA IS JURM MAI HAQEEQAT RAY KO GIRIFTAR KAR K ADALATI KARWAI K LIAY LAHORE BHEJA GAYA.US KO SAZAY MOT SUNAI GAI IS WAQAYA SE SARY NON MUSLIMS KO SHADEED DHACHKA LAGA KUCH HINDU US WAQT K GOVERNER K PAS SIFARISH K LIAY GAY PAR UNHO NAI UN KI AIK NA SUNI AUR SAZAY MOT K HUKUM PAR NAZR E SANI KARNY SE INKAR KAR DIA.JIS K IJRA MAI PEHLY MUJRIM KO AIK SUTOON SE BAND KAR US KO KORON KI SAZA DI GAI AUR USKI GARDAN URA DE GAI,JIS PAR PUNJAB MAI SARI GHAIR BIRADARI NOHA KANA RAHI.HAQEEQAT RAY KI YADGAR KHOJAY SHAHI LAHORE MAI HAI.JO “BAWY DE MARHI “ K NAM SE MASHHOOR HAI,AIK HINDU RAEES NAI US KI YAAD MAIBASANT KA AAGHAZ KIA JIS KI YADGAR BHI IS ILAQAY K QABRUSTAN MAI HI MOJOOD MAI.IS BOOK K PAGE 299 PAR LIKHA HAI K”PANJAB KA BASANT MEELA HAQEEQAT RAY GUSTAKH E RASOOL(P.B.U.H) KI YAAD MAI MANAYA JATA HAI”
HUM KABHI BHI GHOR NAHI KARTAY K KOI BHI KAM KAB START HOA YA KIS WAJAH SE HOA.HUM SIRF IS LIAY KARTAY HAIN K SAB KARTY HAIN AUR CHUNKAY SAB KAR RAHY HAIN IS LIAY HAMARA KARNA BHI DURUST HOGAYA. BAHAR HAL SOCHNAY KI BAAT YEH HAI K HAMY KISI KI BHI PAIRWI KARNY SE PEHLY KISI K BHI PEECHAY CHALNY SE PEHLAY YEH ZAROOR DEKH LEN K KOI KHUD KAHAN JA RAHA HAI AUR KYOON JA RAHA HAI AUR YEH KAM KYOON KAR RAHA HAI KYOON K QAYAMAT K DIN INSAN UNHI K SATH HOGA JIN KA PEROKAR AUR SATHI HOGA.
Plz visit the link for a Fatwa on Basant. http://www.practiseislam.com/cautions/basant.html
Hope my posts will clear the views of Mr. SM RAZA.
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Posted - Feb 05 2005 : 10:57:05 PM
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Hi, whatever you ppl think about basant, itz raining now, atleast night tou kharab hui...
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ali zeeshan
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Posted - Feb 06 2005 : 6:42:20 PM
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quote: Originally posted by maani
Hi, whatever you ppl think about basant, itz raining now, atleast night tou kharab hui...
Ace
YAR AGLY SAL KA INTEZAR KAROO
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Posted - Feb 07 2005 : 01:57:10 AM
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Basant is gone leaving 13 ppl dead in just Lahore. Deside for your self. If in single city 13 or so ppl were dead, what about the whole country. Loss of lives is, i think, greater then employement and money earned through basant, which is again spent on basant.
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bilal azhar
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Posted - Feb 07 2005 : 02:12:08 AM
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Thousands of people die every day because they donot have the money to bear medical expenses,almost everyday people are committing suicides because they donot have any jobs,every day people are killed by the rubbers on the main road,but nobody says a single word. Here 13 people died and every body will be shouting especially "Molanas".Although human life is very precious but those 13 mainly will be those who were looting kites in the streets and on the roads.
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syedhassan
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Posted - Feb 07 2005 : 02:22:59 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Shahid_fss
I don't see any thing bad in basant but I don't like the way it is celiberated....
hi there... sure... its nothing bad in celeberating BASANT... but what i see is... we celeberate it more than EID at times... and most dont care about others and the use of CLUTCH WIRES... also... over a HUNDRED got arrested in LAHORE... 4- died on the first day... and much more... even the CHINESE DO CELEBRATE the kit festival based on their history... but the difference is... they do much caring for others that day... well... the history of BASANT involved the SUFI's and RELIGIOUS LEADERS back in i think 14-15th century... and they now blame the HINDUS FOR introduction of BASANT... here's the BASANT HISTORY that i got from..."SHIRT & TIE SHOP" with a shirt.... The kit festival can be traced back to 200 B.C. Han Hsin, a Chinese General, supposedly used a kite to find enemies in 200 BC. Sounds dubious but I hereby request Jonathan Dresner's help. In any case, kite flying came out of China into India, Central Asia (and Europe). In India, we have references to kites in the fourth century Panchatantra tales, translated into the Arabic in Kalila wa Dimna. Kites found a sacred and recreational space in the Malay, Pacific Islands, Japan etc. The Turkic and Mongolian influx into the Islamic world made kite-flying into a leisure activity from Cairo to Delhi by the 13th century. However, kite-flying was never a sport for the masses; it was for the indulgence of princes in their marble terraces [just like pigeons but I digress].
Basant itself is a north-Indian celebration of Spring. The Basant Pancami festival was the a five day festival during the Magh month [Jan-Feb] when the fields are awash in mustard-seed flowers. and consisted of people dressing in mustard-color clothes and having a good time. This festival can be traced at least since the mid thirteenth century and here is a late, yet prototypical account, from the early 19th century by Mrs. Meer Hassan Ali [an Englishwoman married to an Indian noble]:
There is a festival observed at Lucknow called Bussund (spring-colour). I should remark here, that almost all the trees of India have perpetual foliage; as the season approaches for the new leaves to sprout, the young buds force off the old leaves; and when the trees are thus clothed in their first delicate foliage, there is a yellow tinge in the colour which is denominated Bussund (Spring). A day is appointed to be kept under this title, and then every one wears the Bussund colour; no one would be admitted at Court without this badge of the day. The elephants, horses and camels of the King, or of his nobles, are all ornamented with the same colour on their trappings. The King holds a Court, gives a public breakfast, and exhibits sports with ferocious animals. The amusements of this day are chiefly confined to the Court: I have not observed much notice taken of it in private life.
As usual, we can blame the Sufis for bringing the festival into the Muslim pantheon. By the Mughal period, Basant was a popular festival at the major Sufi shrines. We have, for example, mentions of Nizam Auliya ki Basant, Khwaja Bakhtiar Kaki ki Basant, Khusrau ki Basant; festivals arranged around the shrines of these various sufi saints. Khusrau, the famous sufi-poet of the thirteenth century, even composed verses on Basant:
Aaj basant mana lay suhagan, aaj basant mana lay/ Anjan manjan kar piya mori, lambay neher laga lay/ Tu kya sovay neend ki maasi, so jaagay teray bhaag, suhaagun, Aaj basant mana lay…..;/ Oonchi naar kay oonchay chitvan, ayso diyo hai banaaye/ Shah Amir tuhay dekhan ko, nainon say naina milaaye, / Suhaagun, aaj basant manaalay.
Celebrate basant today, O bride, Celebrate basant today/ Bring out your lotions,and decorate your long hair/ Oh why are you the servant of sleep? Even your fate is wide awake, Celebrate basant today/ O high lady with high looks, [...], when the king looks at you, you meet his eyes,/ O Bride, Celebrate basant today [bad translation]
A typical celebration during the Mughal period would entail the devotees of the Sufi traveling to the shrine on Basant clad in yellow to offer garlands of yellow flowers and sing qawwalis all night long. Now THAT's a good time!
I mention the involvement of the Sufis in Basant history because the popular trope of religious leaders in modern Pakistan has been to denounce Basant as a Hindu celebration that needs to be stopped. You often read/hear nonsense such as this. Bah Humbug.
Lahore was an early and central city in the emergence of competitive kite-flying. I don't exactly know how or why kite-flying left the nobility and became a competitive sport for the masses in South Asia and neither do I know when it merged with the Basant festival [ok, i can find out but please]. Some conjecture is that it happened in late 18th to early 19th c period when Basant and the Mughal king's birthday landed on the same day. Regardless, it became widely observed festival among Hindus and Muslims of North India and though the "spring" angle has dwindled in Pakistan, the "kite" aspect is more vigorous than ever. Actually, come to think of it, the "spring" angle is the "official" angle. Ha. cheers.. syedhassan...
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Posted - Feb 07 2005 : 03:10:54 AM
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hello again dears... as we'r all here to share knowledge and openions... so... i mean no offence with my post... all i mean to say is... when ALLAH made a briliant BRAIN to think better than even the todays computer...and all the future inventions... then why dont we research and think ourself... listening to MAULVIs who... almost sit and never conduct honest research... than a christian or other non-muslim.. i believe a layman of today can think and search better about all such matters... cheers... syedhassan
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syedhassan
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hello again.. for hindu basant...there is some difference, than what we do... they remember their worship... but we for get our prayers at basant... here's some thing about the HINDU BASANT... Basant Panchami, the Festival of Spring, is celebrated mainly in the Indian states of Haryana and Punjab, during February-March. It is celebrated at the end of winter to welcome spring. 'Basant Ritu' means spring season in Hindi. It is during this time that in Haryana the mustard fields are in full bloom, giving the impression of yellow carpets laid out on acres of land. People welcome this change of season by wearing yellow clothes, flying kites and having lots of fun. A puja is held in the house, teeka applied on the deity as well as everyone's forehead. CHEERS.. SYEDHASSAN...
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bilal azhar
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Posted - Feb 13 2005 : 02:36:46 AM
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Because rain spoiled the show last week we have get another chance to celebrate mini basant.Whethet u people believe or not but basant night is being celebrated once more in lahore today.
And tomorrow there will be mini basant and it will be just like basant because due to rain last sunday people still have loots of "door" and "kites" at their disposal.
One point which i missed in my previous posts was about multi national companies.i think that it is these multi national companies who have defamed basant in our country. what u people think?
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MALIK FARRUKH
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Posted - Feb 13 2005 : 12:02:16 PM
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WAT is basant and from whr it comes as a muslim we must have to avoid doing not religious events and as i know some thing that basant is a thewar of hindus so r we hindus???????
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ali zeeshan
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Posted - Feb 13 2005 : 5:44:36 PM
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quote: Originally posted by bilal azhar
Because rain spoiled the show last week we have get another chance to celebrate mini basant.Whethet u people believe or not but basant night is being celebrated once more in lahore today.
And tomorrow there will be mini basant and it will be just like basant because due to rain last sunday people still have loots of "door" and "kites" at their disposal.
One point which i missed in my previous posts was about multi national companies.i think that it is these multi national companies who have defamed basant in our country. what u people think?
bilal
how u can saw multi national companies has defamed basant i cant understand what u wana say
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Posted - Feb 13 2005 : 7:38:41 PM
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hello all... as i already gave a wide history of basant in my early posts, related Hindus , muslums and early.. i think its a festival of CHINESE, then the MUSLIMS and the HINDUS... its nothing wrong with celeberating basant, but if and only if, we do it like the CHINESE do...(no sharp DORE, NO CLUTCH WIRES, NO MINI and MAGA basant) and most of all remembering our PRAYERS..which we forget when we have a kite in hand.. sory BILAL , i dont get it, HOW any MULTI_NATIONAL would defame BASANT IN PAKISTAN..(by.. making DANGEROUS DORE's GOOD KITES...etc...) please do clarify... i also celebrate basant but form ASAR prayers-to-MAGHRIB.. and after ISHA till MID-NIGHT. its fun, if care for all... regards... syedhassan...
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MALIK FARRUKH
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Posted - Feb 13 2005 : 9:49:57 PM
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pandoo pandoo hotee haeee
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bilal azhar
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Posted - Feb 14 2005 : 02:27:57 AM
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Multi nationals have defamed it because instead of celebrating basant with door and kites they celebrate it wiht something else in big hotels not only defaming our country but also religion.
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syedhassan
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Posted - Feb 14 2005 : 06:38:04 AM
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quote: Originally posted by bilal azhar
Multi nationals have defamed it because instead of celebrating basant with door and kites they celebrate it wiht something else in big hotels not only defaming our country but also religion.
bilal
hi... bilal... what do you mean by something else... (kites made of animal skin)?? please do mention it... regards.. syedhassan..
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bilal azhar
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Posted - Feb 15 2005 : 03:00:00 AM
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syedhassan bahi i dont know whether u are deliberately asking this question.i think reply of this question would not be appropriate on this public forum. ALL i want to say is "shrab and shbab".
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Posted - Feb 15 2005 : 04:08:51 AM
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A religious always has its own customs and traditions. If these customs and traditions are removed, the religious power becomes weaker. Islam also has such traditions. Keeping ourselves different from other ppl is one of the old Islamic traditions of Muslims. We have almost everything different from other ppl i.e. life style, culture, civilization, literature, philosophy and even buildings. From centuries, Muslims lived with many other nations but never mixed up with them. We kept our identity clear. We never adopted idiotic customs of other religions. These are the things on which "Ideology of Pakistan" is based. I know we all read it in our books but we are in habit of forgetting things. If any one says that mixing with other religious/nations is an ordinary thing then he is wrong. The country (Pakistan) in which you live is created on this idea. i.e. When the method of calling for prayers was being discussed different ppl suggested different opinions some said that we should ring bells (like church) but Prophet PBUH rejected all those methods that were adopted by other religions and chose the method of AZAN. It means that we should not adopt those things which remove the difference between us and kufaars. Do you know why suicide is haram. Because Allah don’t want a human to heart himself. If an event hearts even a single person just for fun it means that it should be banned. One of you said that daily many ppl die due to other reasons. My friends this is not a good reason to defend the basant. Can you say these words to the father and mother of that 6 month old baby whose neck was cut by the door or that young boy who fell from roof while flying the kite? No. We should learn good things from other instead of bad things. Play cricked, hockey, football as much as you want. Are not they enough for fun. Is basant so necessary for us?
======================== ```*``` I love stars; *`*`*`* Shining; `*`*`*` and Smiling; *`````* Always. ------------------------ Shahid_fss@yahoo.com http://www.shahid-fss.tk ======================== |
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syedhassan
Semi Senior
 
Saudi Arabia
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Posted - Feb 17 2005 : 12:39:11 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Shahid_fss
A religious always has its own customs and traditions. If these customs and traditions are removed, the religious power becomes weaker. Islam also has such traditions. Keeping ourselves different from other ppl is one of the old Islamic traditions of Muslims. We have almost everything different from other ppl i.e. life style, culture, civilization, literature, philosophy and even buildings. From centuries, Muslims lived with many other nations but never mixed up with them. We kept our identity clear. We never adopted idiotic customs of other religions. These are the things on which "Ideology of Pakistan" is based. I know we all read it in our books but we are in habit of forgetting things. If any one says that mixing with other religious/nations is an ordinary thing then he is wrong. The country (Pakistan) in which you live is created on this idea. i.e. When the method of calling for prayers was being discussed different ppl suggested different opinions some said that we should ring bells (like church) but Prophet PBUH rejected all those methods that were adopted by other religions and chose the method of AZAN. It means that we should not adopt those things which remove the difference between us and kufaars. Do you know why suicide is haram. Because Allah don’t want a human to heart himself. If an event hearts even a single person just for fun it means that it should be banned. One of you said that daily many ppl die due to other reasons. My friends this is not a good reason to defend the basant. Can you say these words to the father and mother of that 6 month old baby whose neck was cut by the door or that young boy who fell from roof while flying the kite? No. We should learn good things from other instead of bad things. Play cricked, hockey, football as much as you want. Are not they enough for fun. Is basant so necessary for us?
======================== ```*``` I love stars; *`*`*`* Shining; `*`*`*` and Smiling; *`````* Always. ------------------------ Shahid_fss@yahoo.com http://www.shahid-fss.tk ========================
hi there... you are quite right my friend, as islam never changed but and all that is changed is OUR PERCEPTIONS, and moral and other social views, culture..etc... as you say, that muslims never mixed up with others, then what is BASANT and how it can...?? in other words, you can say that Islam never changed but we changed outselves...!!! and..sure one, shouldnt defent basant... but,frankly............. who in the world would follow that BAN...?? do you think Lahoris would.... NAA.... and i dont think BASANT is necessary... i think, if the GOVT. ban's BASANT...., why would they do so... as its also a tourism and an oportunity to earn more FOREIGN EXCHANGE. so, it all depends on the GOVT. regards.. syedhassan...
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