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suleman
Unregistered Trainee

United Kingdom
4 Posts

Posted - Aug 02 2007 :  01:55:48 AM  Show Profile
Dont worry guys, the more flexible the qualification is , the more it will takeover the world market share.more funds will flow and more accountants will be ACCA working everywhere hence more recognition will follow automatically.Thats a very practical and realistic strategy which we dont understand.If you goto england , no one knows about ICAP , why, because there are no members working in UK or US markets.But in pakistan everyone knows about ACCA and day by day its recognition is increasing.Its flexibility does not in any way make it less better because not everone has to read all the subjects on offer cause its upto your sector you work for makes the choice of subject important, and hence you can read advanced tax or strategic financial management if your employer wants you to if you are working in those areas.ACCA does not believe in being STUCKUP/Maghroor accountants, but it believes in meeting the demands of the employer and market and because of that its taking over the world .Look in england ICAEW is so worried that ACCA will takeover the crown from it in the next year because its members will be more than ICAEW.And hence ACCA will be the number 1 body around the world.
ACCA believes that education should be availabe to everyone irrespective of market demands but if someone has met the standard , he should get through the exam and should not be failed just because he is not meeting the market demand.thats cruelty and injustice which God hates and also which market is the accountancy body thinking of..local..well ACCA thinks global and the world is the market of ACCA not only Pakistan and thats why ACCA is getting recognised world over.
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Muhammad Amir
Manager

Pakistan
886 Posts

Posted - Aug 12 2007 :  11:43:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit Muhammad Amir's Homepage  Send Muhammad Amir a Yahoo! Message
I hope Mr Suleman ACCA thinks very different from you....ACCA is not a lay man and there are 1000s of different aspects to consider, your these baseless considrations has nothing to do with these cheap methods of Market Capturing...

Edited by - Muhammad Amir on Aug 12 2007 11:46:03 PM
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Desert Sleet
Senior

Pakistan
394 Posts

Posted - Aug 26 2007 :  12:19:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit Desert Sleet's Homepage
Welcome Back..... Desert Sleet
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Nauman
Semi Senior

Pakistan
251 Posts

Posted - Aug 26 2007 :  1:23:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit Nauman's Homepage  Send Nauman an AOL message
Why are you welcoming yourself back, Mr. Desert?
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Desert Sleet
Senior

Pakistan
394 Posts

Posted - Aug 26 2007 :  3:08:50 PM  Show Profile  Visit Desert Sleet's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Nauman

Why are you welcoming yourself back, Mr. Desert?




Kaise ho Nomi Bhai......
Kaisa chal raha hai kan sham
kab wapsi hai Khanewal...................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheez
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aaeisha shah
Unregistered Trainee

8 Posts

Posted - Nov 12 2007 :  4:54:41 PM  Show Profile
asalam alekum!!!!
hey ppl doing ACCA....bestttttttt of luck for xams!!
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AbdulSamad
Junior

Pakistan
60 Posts

Posted - Nov 27 2007 :  10:23:59 AM  Show Profile
Walekum Salam aaeisha shah

and Aslamo Alekum all peoples

Mein ne b.com kia huwa hai . ab mere pass two choice hai ke MBA finance keron ya ACCA...

Question yeh hai ke MBA Finance ke baad kis kisim ki post aur responsibilties ki job miley gi and also as well as ACCA .........means that which one is best ?

In my view ACCA has no more courses other than MBA...please suggest....

I am doing job As Branch/Accounts/Opertaional Manager and also know about taxation ...

Thanks

Abdul Samad
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seeking_knowledge
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
9 Posts

Posted - Apr 13 2008 :  02:08:55 AM  Show Profile
Ok....just to put it out there...in my opinion the answer to the whole "ICAP's CA Vs ACCA" debate, the obvious winner is CA here in Pakistan and doing CA is more difficult than ACCA, no doubt about it, period. However, i still believe that if u do ACCA and some other qualification like CIMA or CFA then its an entirely different ball game as ACCA/CIMA or ACCA/CFA will always best a CA in any situation.......

Just speaking my mind, any arguments against my point of view are more than welcome :)



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mroneflower
Senior

United Kingdom
310 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2008 :  10:10:16 PM  Show Profile
Readers will be aware that ICAP has signed MOU with ICAEW whereby ICAEW will train ICAP members to gain ICAEW qualification.

According to this MOU ICAP members (who already have 3 to 5 years of experience in terms of articleship) will have to go through further training of 2 years in CA firm which are authorised to train ICAEW students in Pakistan. Moreover in addition to 2 training, ICAP members have to pass ICAEW 3 to 4 papers. Please bear in mind that ICAEW has two stages i.e Professional stage and Advance stage. Advance stage consists of 3 papers and professional stage consist of 12 papers.

AS I mentioned that some ICAP members have to pass 4 papers of ICAEW (i.e all 3 papers of ICAEW Advance stage and 1 paper of ICAEW Professional stage) in addition to 2 years training. It means ICAEW does not even think that ICAP qualification is equvilant of its professional stage.

By visiting ICAEW web site I found that Emile Woolf Pakistan (www.ewpakistan.com) is offering coaching for these 4 papers of ICAEW to ICAP members in Lahore and Karachi. If people will visit this web site they will find that Mr Muhammad Maqbool is Checif Exective of the Emile Woolf Pakistan. Mr Muhammad Maqbool was president of ICAP in 1995 and when he was president all ICAP council members of were ICAEW members. Its clearly means that this person wants to distinguish himself and so protecting ICAEW himself.

Now I need to mention what happened to ICAEW and ACCA (I am ACCA member) in India. ICAEW and ACCA did the same thing in India i.e they did registered some accountant firm in India so that these firms can train students. Parliament of India has passed the law (as ICAI convinced parliament) that no foreign institute including ICAEW and ACCA can register any Indian accountancy firm in Indian nor these foreign institutes can promote themselves in Indian. After Indian Parliament passed this law ICAI went ti supreme court of Indian and court decided that no foreign institute can promote itself in Indian.

Last years in an education fair in Indian ACCA and ICAEW were promoting themselves in Delhi and police came. As a result ICAEW and ACCA had to stop their promotion.

I have not understood that ICAP has signed this kind of MOU with ICAEW which makes ICAEW superior qualification even in Pakistan and its look that ICAP members are afraid of ICAEW. I meant to say that ICAP members with 3 to 5 yrs of experience have to pass 4 papers of ICAEW and go through further 2 years of training in Pakistan to become ICAEW members.

What message ICAP has given to its members and world by signing this MOU that ICAP and its members are not capable of competing with ICAEW even Pakistan, Its SHAME.

ICAP did the same thing in ACCA case. When ACCA was first introduced in 1995 in Pakistan. ICAP gave exemption of 13 papers out of 16 papers to ACCA Affiliate (please note that I used word ACCA Affiliate and not ACCA members secondly ICAP had total of 16 papers in 1995). When ICAP saw that ACCA is capturing Pakistani Market ICAP reduced exemption to ACCA Affiliate.

So what its means ICAP just makes policies without collecting any information. When ICAP council has this standard then we can imagine what will be standard of ICAP members. My making such stupid policies in rush ICAP is giving message to world that ICAP members (Please bear in mind ICAP council consist of ICAP members) do not have quality and if someone employ ICAP members then ICAP members will take important decision is the same way as ICAO council does i.e without collecting relevant information and without forecasting future impact of decisions.

ACCA and ICAEW:

ACCA members are allowed to conduct Audit of plc, Investment business, Insolvency work and tax consultant in 80 countries of the world including Whole of Europrean Union, Canada, Australia, News Zealand, South Africa, Singapore and many many countries of the world.

Furthermore ACCA Affiliate (again not ACCA members) are required to pass ICAEW papers with three years of training (work experience). It means ACCA Affiliate can use 3 years experience to gain membership of two bodies i.e ACCA and ICAEW.

On the other hands ICAP member need 3 to 5 yrs experience to become ICAP members and then further 2 yrs experience to become ICAEW member. Means ICAP people need total of 5 to 7 yrs experience to become ICAEW member where in ACCA case the required experience is three yrs.

Moreover ACCA members with 5 yrs experience can apply for ICAEW membership through CCAB route without giving and passing any exams.

NOTE: I do not recommend any of ACCA Affiliate to go for ICAEW as it is waste of time and money. Moreover ICAEW will not add anything to your CV.

At the End:

Purpose of my article is not to humiliate ICAP as ICAP is doing it by itself, nor I want to prove that ACCA is better than ICAP. If ICAP members and students thinks that ICAP is better than ACCA, please continue to do so.

I just want to say that ICAP members should think carefully what kind of policies are being made by ICAP and that ICAP makes policies without collecting relevant information.

Kind Regards

Khalid
London
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unseendemon
Junior

Pakistan
85 Posts

Posted - Dec 19 2008 :  6:45:47 PM  Show Profile
I am a CA student who started ACCA after completing module D. The papers are easier since you can take as many as you want and they all follow a set pattern. I dont intend to disrespect the ACCA qualification but it really is easier to pass than CA.

In todays market, you arent worth much if you dont have a certificate in your hands so i would advise all CA students to start ACCA simultaneously with CA, the course isnt much different and with a bit of hard work you will inshallah breeze through. Better to be an ACCA qualified when your articles end than a Unqualified CA.
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kamranACA
Partner

Pakistan
2499 Posts

Posted - Jan 21 2009 :  5:45:07 PM  Show Profile
Unseendemon,

You have given a good suggestion to students.

I appreciate. However, I believe CA is not tough. The problem is that, we (since I was also a CA student) don't work hard to the level we should do.

I know there is no other reason.


Regards,


KAMRAN.

Edited by - kamranACA on Jan 21 2009 5:47:39 PM
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Pracs
Partner

United Kingdom
1542 Posts

Posted - Jan 23 2009 :  03:36:45 AM  Show Profile  Send Pracs an ICQ Message
quote:
Originally posted by mroneflower

Hi

I am acca qualifed and agree with that ACCA is much easier than ACA. Its only because of ACCA policies. ACCA is making her qualification easy every single day.

Just like in new qualification ACCA kicked 3.7 out and make it option paper. It sound like in coming yrs acca will not have any market in business world.

Khalid, London



Khalid was this really your post ?
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mroneflower
Senior

United Kingdom
310 Posts

Posted - Jan 23 2009 :  04:33:05 AM  Show Profile
yes it was my post, but when I review ACCA F9 course in detail, I found all important topics of 3.7 moved to F9. Moreover Current P4 paper is much more advance than 3.7.

so in short everything is alright in ACCA qualification. Anyway you did hard work to find my post. At least ACCA can critize ACCA qualification and ACCA is always happy to answer properly not like ICAP that even do not reply.

In any case ACCA courses are better than ICAP.

Khalid

Edited by - mroneflower on Jan 23 2009 04:43:26 AM
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Pracs
Partner

United Kingdom
1542 Posts

Posted - Jan 24 2009 :  12:38:19 AM  Show Profile  Send Pracs an ICQ Message
I just stumbled on it by chance, glad to know you are open to change and criticism
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hanifasif
Senior

Saudi Arabia
337 Posts

Posted - Jan 24 2009 :  09:02:38 AM  Show Profile  Send hanifasif a Yahoo! Message
yaar ren day, did not you qualify CA via ACCA corridor (Pre 2001 scheme). now you have turned somewhat Anti-ACCA. Khuda ka khof kar yaar.
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Pracs
Partner

United Kingdom
1542 Posts

Posted - Jan 24 2009 :  3:28:46 PM  Show Profile  Send Pracs an ICQ Message
quote:
Originally posted by hanifasif

yaar ren day, did not you qualify CA via ACCA corridor (Pre 2001 scheme). now you have turned somewhat Anti-ACCA. Khuda ka khof kar yaar.



What makes you say I am anti ACCA, do you guys need a class in English or what?. Hanif this is the least I expected of you ? I was trying to make a point for Khalid here.

Are you guys jealous, envious or what? Yes, I sat and passed for the maximum number of papers to pass ACA. Some ground realities can't change no matter how much you try to.

Hope you are doing well, and thank you for asking.
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kamranACA
Partner

Pakistan
2499 Posts

Posted - Jan 26 2009 :  12:01:46 PM  Show Profile
Pracs,

I think one should not convert the personal frustration into criticism. CritiCism should be for the sake of some positive outcome. Off course this is not meant for you.

Khalid so oftenly say that others speak without confirming things. His post referred by you again highlighted his ownself. I also saw his post some days earlier but did not call his attention to it. I thought it was not needed. People know him. He replied that an ACCA can only talk about ACCA. I wonder why he does not apply his rule to his own-self. He is an ACCA knows nothing about ICAP's qualification and always pose his noke into its issues. He is a source of amusement always. Don't mind him.

Regards,


KAMRAN.

Edited by - kamranACA on Jan 26 2009 3:47:39 PM
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mroneflower
Senior

United Kingdom
310 Posts

Posted - Jan 26 2009 :  12:23:51 PM  Show Profile
Dear In my above post I wrote.

so in short everything is alright in ACCA qualification. Anyway you did hard work to find my post. At least ACCA can critize ACCA qualification and ACCA is always happy to answer properly not like ICAP that even do not reply.

When I said ACCA can Criticize ACCA qualification and policies. I meant ACCA (person who is ACCA member) can Criticize ACCA (as a organisation/institute). and When I said ACCA is always happy to answer properly not like ICAP that even do not reply. I meant ACCA as a organisation can answer to its students, members and others. I also meant that ACCA as a organisation/institute does not have policy to not to reply like ICAP.

I hope it will clear my point.

If I never tried to take admission it does not mean I do not know anything about ICAP.

Khalid

Edited by - mroneflower on Jan 26 2009 12:24:35 PM
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kamranACA
Partner

Pakistan
2499 Posts

Posted - Jan 26 2009 :  3:35:58 PM  Show Profile

Dear,

I don't know why ICAP has not been replying to you. It never happened with us even when we were not its students. I normaly ask the students to talk to ICAP whenever they need to know something authentic. I wonder why you were not replied.

It would be good if others also share their experience about such communications with ICAP.


Regards,


KAMRAN.
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qasimi3882
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
7 Posts

Posted - May 11 2009 :  3:24:00 PM  Show Profile
hello frined \
I am near to become ACCA affiliate
no doubt that ACCA is well organized exams body. But atleast here is pakistan employer only prefer the experince employee that only CA article contain
ACCA must do job to gain experince if ACCA wants to do articles then he should register himself for CA and claim CA inter, because as you will complete ACCA article you will also complete CA article..
You can attempt module E and F during Article so there is a chance of becoming CA also
this is best route
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awaisaftab
Partner

Pakistan
1109 Posts

Posted - Jun 17 2009 :  11:08:42 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
In Pakistan ACCA's has no worth because they donot have knowledge of tax and corporate laws so they can do only the jobs of pure acounting in Pakistan. Even for the jobs of internal auditors the ACMA's are prefered instead of ACCA's although despite of the fact that their field of specializations are audit and financial accounting.

Regards,

Awais Aftab
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Irfanmansoor
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
1 Posts

Posted - Jul 09 2009 :  12:53:52 PM  Show Profile
[quote]Originally posted by khuldun

ACCA is basically a shortcut
you start looking for a job much ealeir than a CA
CAs on the other hand learn them selves to death.......they r like hafiz of accountancy when they leave study thus they are given more pref
But in fact even internationall the more competent job openings are for CAs

___________________________________________________________________________
Dear,

Kindly use your common sense, the above quoted aurgument is menaningless, even senseless, CA (ICAP) basically has a monopoly in the market of Pakistan and most of the executives are FCAs that is the another safe side for ICAP on the other hand ACCA is introduced in Pakistan near by 1995 or 1996 thats why most of the people are unawear of it.

ACCA has got a big research period in the field of accountancy and finance, more than 100 yers and is charterd by the queen of england in earlier 19s. ICAP even after establishment haven't got any research. Further ACCA has five perminent member in IASB and ICAP just have observres.
How could it be justified.
Give your reason and should be logical rather than "EMPIRE ESTATES"

Give you statics for the component Jobs for CA with comparison to ACCA

Hope to hear You Soon.

Regaeds,

Irfan
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Acca rulz
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
1 Posts

Posted - Jul 22 2009 :  7:26:39 PM  Show Profile  Visit Acca rulz's Homepage  Send Acca rulz an AOL message  Send Acca rulz an ICQ Message  Send Acca rulz a Yahoo! Message
WELL I GUESS THIS DEBATE WILL NEVER end BECAUSE ACCA'S AND CA'S BOTH ARE BEST ON THEIR OWN YES IT IS TRUE THAT ACCA DOES NOT GET ANY PREFERENCES IN PAKISTAN BECAUSE OF LAW THINGY , BUT WHERE AS CA GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK,BECAUSE THE ARE THE PAKISTANI CA'S SOO ACCA IS KNOW AS THE GLOBAL Recognition DEGREE WHICH CA DOES NOT GIVE ALTHOUGH CA'S HAVE TO GIVE THE BRIDGE EXAMINATION GOING TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY AS ACCA DOES NOT HAVE TOO SOO THE THING IS THAT CA RULZZ IN IN ITS COUNTRY NOT ON THE WORLD ACCA does DO LIVE WITH THIS FACT CA PEOPLE
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Ravi
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
1 Posts

Posted - Jul 29 2009 :  1:39:09 PM  Show Profile  Send Ravi a Yahoo! Message
Hmmm,In my opinion Both CA & ACCA are similar things,,but the only difference b/w these two is only the national support that the CA has got specailly in pakistan.as ICAP is fully under government..
CA=ACCA+National support....
Thats what i want to show you my fellows...while the scope and the knowledge remains the same in both of these....ACCAs dont get response what they deserve it is coz of govt not interested in it...
But dear ACCAs dont worry..a day will come where the ACCA will be proven a distingushed....
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faizee
Junior

Pakistan
50 Posts

Posted - Aug 02 2009 :  08:56:42 AM  Show Profile
Dear Ravi:
who told you that ICAP is fully under governnment ICAP is an autonomous body it is a self-governing body which consist for 16 council members in which 12 members are elected among the members of ICAP and 4 members are nominated by the government.So it is better not to say ICAP as a government body as everybody knows about the situation of our government if ICAP is a government body then there must be a lot of corruption and unfair means in it like our lower secondary and higher secondary boards have.I just want to remove your ambiguity about ICAP and learn to distinguish.I think you are unaware about CA(ICAP) thats why you said "CA and ACCA are same" there is a lot of difference between these qualifications but not in their work i don't want this debate in a nut shell just scrutinize the syllabus and past papers of CA(ICAP) then you will never say this again.


Kind Regards,

Faizan

Edited by - faizee on Aug 02 2009 09:02:41 AM
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assisn
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
8 Posts

Posted - Aug 02 2009 :  8:36:23 PM  Show Profile
I totally agree to you faizan
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newhandsom
Unregistered Trainee

United Kingdom
7 Posts

Posted - Sep 19 2009 :  05:36:52 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by ANAM NAZ

please help me people I took F.sc but I am having a supply. Can I do CA. I belo0ng to very poor family. HOW MUCH IT COST ME DURING 3 4 YEAR




Anam,

I will suggest you to go for professional qualification only.

Sorry, I am not in touch with Pakistani educational system. But I believe you can do self study for CAT/ ACCA or ICAP. You might have to work harder then others who are studying in Academies. But believe me all that hard work is worth at the end. If you have decided to go for professional qualifications make sure you join any accountancy practice. I am not sure if they are paying great amount of money to start with, but again no pain no gain.


best wishes, Adnan


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ETK
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
17 Posts

Posted - Oct 18 2009 :  4:27:48 PM  Show Profile
salam,
well as far as im concerned most of the ppl around me are planning to do ACCA as they say that we can get job easily,n CA takes a little longer time. so it is difficult especially for girls!!
i plan to do CA but im really frightened after reading all this!!!
so what should i do...i think i should do what i have decided to...right!!
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shahzykhan
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
18 Posts

Posted - Feb 21 2010 :  7:49:42 PM  Show Profile  Send shahzykhan an AOL message
For ETK:

I would recommend u go for ACCA. The greatest advantage u will have in the end is u at least get a degree in your hand. Many people get stuck in CA. I myself is a student of CA. Stuck in Module F, done with the articles, searching for a job. Now whenever I apply for a job, I have got no degree in hand. CA Finalist is no degree. I cant even call myself a bacheler.

And considering the current job market situation five and a half years is too much a time to stick for a degree you dont know whether u will achieve in the end or not. By doing ACCA you will have a choice at the end of 2-3 years of starting a job or do CA.

People around u seem to be intelligent....So follow them...
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shahzykhan
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
18 Posts

Posted - Feb 21 2010 :  8:46:39 PM  Show Profile  Send shahzykhan an AOL message
I am a student of CA, done with the article ship and many of my friends are ACCAs. As this discussion has gone too long, I thought to conclude it at last by listing properties of both. I am giving this without any bias and disregarding of the fact that I am a CA student. Any of you can agree/disagree or add to this list


CA :
1. Tougher when the exams and specially studying along with article ship/job is concerned. Plus the concept of bad referral (i.e. you have to perform equally well in all the attempted papers, you will not pass any paper if u get less than 40 in a paper)

2. The proof of toughness of CA is the fact that many students get stuck in CA but the same students do ACCA easily

3. Better recognition in Pakistan, as only CAs can conduct statutory audits in Pakistan.

4. Its human nature that more tough time he gets, more competent and hardworking he becomes so CAs tend to be more competent. Plus students more determined to their career go for CA because of all the difficulties, so the ‘Garbage In Garbage Out’ (GIGO) effect.


ACCA:

1. Internationally recognized degree

2. Better study material and paper set up than CA. They do not design papers to confuse the student as compared to ICAP where data is really scrambled. Data is properly arranged in predictable pattern.

3. Because of the same old complex oriented kind of thinking we always praise a foreign degree more than a local one, disregarding how better is our own.

4. Better chances of getting the degree as compared to CA.


Conclusion: Though ACCA has its own advantages but overall when you consider the above stated properties, CAs are well deserved to be at a better position than ACCA.
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AmeerZIa
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
1 Posts

Posted - Feb 24 2010 :  2:53:22 PM  Show Profile
What i have observed from my experience that its not only the qualification which matters but also how you apply yourself i have seen CA qualified from the No.1 firm with post qualification experience of 10 years really struggling in his practical life.What i would suggest to aspiring CA or ACCA's is that best policy is to go for both qualifications simultaneously so after completing the articles at least you have one qualificaton in your hand.Comparing two qualification is just a waste of time.ICAP has edge in Pakistani Market and this edge will always remain as CA is a local qualification.

Zia
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bilaaaal
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
6 Posts

Posted - Mar 03 2010 :  3:20:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit bilaaaal's Homepage  Send bilaaaal an AOL message
Assalam O Alaikom
My sweet friends dont waste your time on these topics. You are becoming to be professional people. Dont wander for degrees, qualifications or professional bodies. Prove yourself in the practical field. Become a good accountant, an auditor or a financial analyst. What you have to do is to gain full cover over the field in which you are working and INSHALLAH every of you will get a good return. Bring something new to the global business(especially) Pakistanis.
YESSS VVV CANN...
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LionO
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
2 Posts

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  10:32:15 AM  Show Profile
salaam!!! to every one. well! i want 2 ask which 1 iz better doin ca or acca? if we want to go abroad for our job rather than stayin in pakistan. also tell me which subjects are required for getting inta the CA field b/c i have to select subjects for my a-level

waiting for your replies.
allah hafiz
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Dard
Manager

930 Posts

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  11:13:59 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by LionO

salaam!!! to every one. well! i want 2 ask which 1 iz better doin ca or acca? if we want to go abroad for our job rather than stayin in pakistan. also tell me which subjects are required for getting inta the CA field b/c i have to select subjects for my a-level

waiting for your replies.
allah hafiz


Since you plan to go abroad, i would advise ACCA
Neither C.A nor ACCA requires any specific subjects for A level. You can choose any you like. You may choose Accounting, Economics and Business studies
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fundago
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Romania
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wrathofheaven1
Unregistered Trainee

Pakistan
41 Posts

Posted - Jul 13 2010 :  11:45:32 AM  Show Profile
The main problem with this argument is that people tend to compare ACCA Affiliates with full CAs (ICAP members with 3/4 yrs of articleship). Whereas the fair comparison would be between an ACCA member with complete 3 years of training and a Full CA.

Now after that, one simply cannot tell which one is better because of the difference between the quality of experience each of them has gained. One of them might have worked in one of the Big 4, while the other in a small firm.

But even then, the competence, ability and intelligence of each of them possesses is based on their own effort and hard work they have put into their qualifications. That is what ultimately decides what kind of job he will get. Their market value is decided on these factors since the employer is not concerned with our qualification but our ability to deliver what he requires from us.

ACCA & CA are simply two platforms which allow us to gain the knowledge and experience we require to boost our careers and its up to an individual on how he chooses to uses them.

So just by saying that CA's are more intelligent than ACCA or vice versa and any other similar argument is just plain stupid for this topic.

Regards
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ink0p0la
Unregistered Trainee

United Kingdom
8 Posts

Posted - Jul 14 2010 :  9:15:55 PM  Show Profile
1. According to NARIC, ACCA is considered equivalent to a UK Masters degree and ACA (ICAP) is considered equivalent to a UK Bachelors degree, hence ACCA gets more points for UK immigration purposes;
2. At present ACCA members get more exemptions from the ICAEW than ACA (ICAP);
3. ACCA has much more recognition all over the world (including US/Canada, Europe, Middle East, Australia) as compared to ICAP;
4. ACCA has MRAs in place with a number of major accountancy bodies around the world, unlike ICAP. So ACCA members can practice accountancy almost anywhere by joining a local accountancy body.
So, in my humble opinion, if you at any point in your career wish to move abroad or simply want to keep your options open, you should go for the ACCA qualification. However, if you wish to always live and work in Pakistan you should do ICAP.
I completely agree with the forum member who commented above that it is wrong to compare ACCA affiliates with ICAP members. Only ACCA members (with 3 years recognised accountancy experience) can be compared with ICAP or ICAEW members.
Inko
London
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Rameesha
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Pakistan
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Posted - Jul 16 2010 :  12:44:00 AM  Show Profile  Send Rameesha an AOL message
hey
I am an alevel student and am really confused about what to do next.
I have got acca in mind but am not sure whether i should complete it from here or from abroad(canada or uk)! i dont wanna end up in Iba or lums completing BBA which currently seems to have no demand!
what should i do?please help!
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Dard
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Posted - Jul 16 2010 :  4:10:42 PM  Show Profile
"Students" would have been a better section to post in Rameesha
You can study ACCA in the uk, perhaps with an institute which offers a topup degree with the ACCA. That would make you eligible for a post-study work permit(if you require one that is). The institute can help you out for a placement too
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ink0p0la
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United Kingdom
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Posted - Jul 18 2010 :  05:12:48 AM  Show Profile
Rameesha: What profession do you want to go into? Do you want to be an accountant?
Ink0
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Osama Rules
Senior

Saudi Arabia
371 Posts

Posted - Jul 19 2010 :  1:46:18 PM  Show Profile
Salam,

I think a relevent BSC degree from a uk university always helps especially if one gets it from one of the top ones.

After graduation one get different options,so can move towards professional qualification.

Regards.
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aamalik
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Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 12 2010 :  9:59:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit aamalik's Homepage
And the debate continues for it is perpetually destined to...
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usmanafzal72
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Pakistan
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Posted - Sep 14 2010 :  02:13:47 AM  Show Profile
Always confusing.agar ye debate hamare profession join karne se pehle conclude ho jati to kitna acha hota.
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aamalik
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Pakistan
203 Posts

Posted - Sep 16 2010 :  7:33:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit aamalik's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by usmanafzal72

Always confusing.agar ye debate hamare profession join karne se pehle conclude ho jati to kitna acha hota.



Dont worry! U will live the day when we will be retiring and this topic will be raging on n on :P

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Umer abdul aziz
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Pakistan
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Posted - Dec 24 2010 :  6:07:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit Umer abdul aziz's Homepage  Send Umer abdul aziz an AOL message
Salam.
My name is Umer Aziz.
I have recently ended with my A levels.
I am looking forward towards a career in accountancy.
I have decided to do CA. Would it be better starting with ACCA and then completing CA.?
OR directly into the main stream i.e the modular thing?
I wish to do in the least of time. and also want to go abriad.
Can anyone help me in this matter.
Assiatance will be highly appreciated
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Big 4 Interview
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USA
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Posted - Jan 30 2011 :  09:46:45 AM  Show Profile  Visit Big 4 Interview's Homepage
ACCA has been increasing in importance and will continue to do so as it becomes more well recognized throughout the world... ACCA over CA if you ask me.

If you are interviewing with big 4 firms, try http://www.big4interview.com for resources. Good stuff to help you guys.

Cheers
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syed2011
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United Kingdom
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Posted - Feb 01 2011 :  3:51:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit syed2011's Homepage
How many of you think that doing CCA in London is a perfect choice.
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saadhasan1992
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Pakistan
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Posted - Feb 26 2011 :  11:47:39 AM  Show Profile  Send saadhasan1992 a Yahoo! Message
guys acca is better than CA pk in the sense that acca is globally recognized while CA in pk get preference in pak only so narrowly speaking CA is best and in broadly sense ACCA is best.
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big4interview
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Posted - Apr 01 2011 :  04:57:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit big4interview's Homepage
Hey All,

For all of you looking at whether or not to begin hiring for Big 4 firms, there is an article called "Big 4 Hiring Statistics Analysis" at http://www.big4interview.com that you should check out... It goes over recent hiring figures and outlook for 2011. Its currently the first post.
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fujistu
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Pakistan
15 Posts

Posted - Apr 07 2011 :  3:50:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit fujistu's Homepage
no doubt C.A is much tough then ACCA.
my opinion is that you should go for C.A
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