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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
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 Posted - Apr 21 2006 : 5:33:40 PM
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Originally posted by Goodman
Azeem spoke of peace. I believe once you have started the procedure of slaughtering, peace only comes when the blood drains out to put the mind to eternal rest.
On the event of Baqra Eid, a very healthy and loved Baqra is viewed by the whole family and mohalla and kids gather. Baqra feels so special, all of a sudden he is offered Paani and Khorak and everybody in the house gives a patt on the back. Baqra thinks he is no match to anybody around. All of a sudden people start to tie him up and procedure starts. Such a lovely dovely baqra then becomes history.
The fact remains that at present ACCA is no match to ACA in Pakistan. People aiming to work in Pakistan should go for ACA. Now that is the situation of today. What happens tomorrow, your guess/forecast is as good as mine.
I believe ICAP should change a bit now, world has changed a lot.
Hanif: you live in Saudi Arabia and you use such unsocial words. Come on man, its democracy, no need to lose your head. I am sure you command skill sets much better than most of us do on the forum. Best of luck with you move. May Allah bless us all.
Hi Goodman
I want peace as Nascar has eventually started to present his views in a more civilised way.
My attitude is/was only geared for the trouble makers, people who disrespect other professional qualifications and deliberately try to impose their views on others with their partially correct logics and in most cases none at all.
I do agree with your advise, anyone aiming to work in Pakistan should go for ACA, if I were in Pakistan I would have done the same as your qualification makes you preferrable there. I have repeatedly said that it doesnt make one superior to another because of what he/she holds, unfortunately this is not exactly the case in Pak due to many factors which we all know. Anyone claiming to be superior on such basis will ALWAYS come in my LINE OF FIRE.
I like the bakra example, are we on a roll of animal proverbs/egs.
I must say this again, I am what I am, if others thing I am aggressive so be it (hey I remember you once said that you like such attitude). My near and dear ones have always labelled me very soft and gentle - as said above this aggression is usually retaliatory or to repress oppression.
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hanifasif
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Saudi Arabia
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Posted - Apr 21 2006 : 6:25:29 PM
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Originally posted by Muhammad Adnan Arshad
Inside Pakistan:
ACA > ACCA
Outside Pakistan:
ACA < ACCA
In both cases:
ACA >=< ACCA
ACA (ICAEW) = ACA (ICAP) ..............1
ACCA + 5 years Exp + successful CCAB = ACA (ICAEW) with practice certificate.......2
From 1 and 2 we have
ACCA + (TAX + CLSP) of final = ACA (ICAP) with practice certificate
Seeing the above empirical relation I can assume that the inequality pointed out by Adnan is going to change very soon, provided ICAP does not change its exemption policy for ICAEW members.
Now becoming ACA is as easy as passing ACCA exams. (At least this is what appears to me from the membership form I am working on these days). Unless ICAP revises its exemption scheme, its monopoly of being a sole distributor of charters in Pakistan is in serious danger.
Peace
Asif
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Nascar
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Apr 21 2006 : 8:19:54 PM
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Dear Asif,
Welcome back i would be pleased to help u out here in pakistan especially if you r coming to islamabad - meet me here - in any case suadiarabia is not a good place to work my personal opinion .
if u r interested we r lookig for a guy in budget planning n analysis i can refer you for that position
ur concept of ACA through the CAB driver route seems to be flawed its costly as well as not so easy but i might be wrong there - but rest assured the inequality is here to stay untill people change it - e.g. CA in pakistan get equalency with M.Com but no M.Com is equal to ACA
i take ur challenge of out doing me , i will love to c you progress but u need a lot of other things than ACCA for that.:) hope u got them all. do tell me wat intital job u get in any case.
Azeem sb said : "I do agree with your advise, anyone aiming to work in Pakistan should go for ACA, if I were in Pakistan I would have done the same as your qualification makes you preferrable there"
just to clarify he wanted to say that he wish that he could be an ACA and in pakistan
i cant understand where did he find any logic in what i wrote its all illogical and it is just for teasing people who think ACCAs is some qualification to be proud of - it is just to make ACCAss angry -
cant ACCAs or ACAs be used for having some fun , if they cant take it its their immaturity, losing touch with the fun part of life is not good. enjoy and let others enjoy. u dont need to get angry on wat other say - to shut other up u just need to prove them wrong in the market. so even u collect the whole zoo u would still be an ACCA n cant be an ACA
i have said this agaian and again but people here are too sensitive bout their supposidly hard earned qualification
azeem sb
farigh time 673 posts = proven - posts every per day nothing better to do
nascar
busy mostly but like to play/have fun some time 15-20 posts =proven- happy have many better things to do
i dont like draws either i win or i lose so wat u say!!!ACCA
most fire works on this forum belong to me so here another one !!
the current best pay that i know of in islamabd of a 3 yrs firm plus 1yr industry experience ACCA guy is max PKRs. 45K(but mostly are in 20s 30s). roughly 1/3 of what the best an ACA gets here most are at (60-90)some also have cars.
so in monetary terms 3 ACCA = 1 ACA
wiating for the lovely responses i get for the love i spread to u all ACCAs
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Nascar
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Apr 21 2006 : 8:29:03 PM
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i can see someting buring
no its a line of fire coming from someplace i cant recognize
is it a star,
is it a missile
NO nonono no no its an ACCA :) and he is running away
cool down boy cool down no need to burn all ur self up
we r just having fun
u have the best qualification in this world
just kidding
dnt get more angry then u already are
these CFAs , PHDs , engg., Dr.s all r kids in front of u
dont wory be happy - nothing can touch u and those ACAs are just piece of S**t they cant do S**h to u
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Pracs
Partner
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 22 2006 : 12:35:36 AM
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NASCAR, I have an animal proverb for you.. and I am sure you are going to enjoy it since you are enjoying all the fire works here (and this seems to be your only past time the last few days). It involves a dog, tail and some thing to do with .......
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Ali Akbar
Senior
Norway
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Posted - Apr 22 2006 : 01:21:49 AM
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It maked me really laughing when I read reply of Nascar to Azeem. Infact they are in such a strange inferiority complex with ACAs that one cant explain it. Keep it up buddies, it will work for you in your dreams.
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - Apr 22 2006 : 01:30:15 AM
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To Mr. Goodman
This international bakra (so called globally recognized qualification "ACCA") is being slaughtered in Pakistan continously and if your good brains pick up the annual report-2005 and recent published magazines of ICAP you will come to know about ICAP's strategy to maintain its repo and regulatory bodies are posing more confidence over ICAP products; foreigenrs come over where there are certain loopholes in local system. Have you ever seen a loophole in accountancy profession in Pakistan?
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hanifasif
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Saudi Arabia
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Posted - Apr 22 2006 : 3:22:04 PM
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Joining as a CCAB member
As a qualified member of ACCA, CIMA or CIPFA you may apply for membership of the ICAEW if you meet the following eligibility criteria:
1-You are a qualified member of ACCA, CIMA or CIPFA for at least 5 years
2-You have no disciplinary record with your current professional and regulatory bodies
3-You comply with your current professional body's continuing professional development requirement
4-You must pass our Examination of Experience (meeting the same standards and demonstrating the same professional skills and judgment as the ACA Advanced Stage case study). This will be marked by our existing case study examiners
5-You must be sponsored by two ICAEW members
The benefits
Once awarded, ICAEW membership will enable you to:
1-Use the designatory letters ACA (Associate Chartered Accountant), leading to an FCA (Fellow Chartered Accountant)
2-Gain access to all the services and benefits available to ICAEW members
Requirement 5 appears to be a little difficult to meet otherwise I don’t see any difficulty in getting the charter ( The “ACA” I mean ) and as far as fee is concerned, it adds up to only GBP 636 - almost Rs. 70,000 – including practice certificate and perhaps that’s what has caused NASCAR to emit fire from mouth and dark smoke from under the belt. Pardon me for the rough use of words but there is no other way I can express it right.
Asif
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hanifasif
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Posted - Apr 22 2006 : 3:47:44 PM
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Dear all ACCAs,
And this is what they call "Examination of Experience"
http://www.icaew.co.uk/index.cfm?route=134826
Read and see if it is as difficult as has been portrayed by my friend NASCAR.
Mr. NASCAR (ACA) if you cant help, at least don’t disappoint/discourage us.
Kind regards,
Asif
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Pracs
Partner
United Kingdom
1542 Posts |
Posted - Apr 22 2006 : 9:16:25 PM
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
United Kingdom
706 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 12:29:51 AM
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Originally posted by Pracs
NASCAR, I have an animal proverb for you.. and I am sure you are going to enjoy it since you are enjoying all the fire works here (and this seems to be your only past time the last few days). It involves a dog, tail and some thing to do with .......
No offense to any one though,.. human or animal
I was away for a day, cameback today and what I see is a birth of a puppy. Surely animals do multiply in no time. I hope this will give them a good laugh too.
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cant understand where did he find any logic in what i wrote its all illogical and it is just for teasing people who think ACCAs is some qualification to be proud of - it is just to make ACCAss angry -
I am glad you admitted that your intention was to TEASE, DISREPECT ACCA. I tell you one thing I am one of those who say if a street dog is barking behind you kick its *** so hard that next time before it barks should think twice. I am not going no where, I am here as I was here when you went away. You lost it then and you are losing now whatever you have (if anything). Your fellow CAs are cursing you, apologising on your behalf. What a shame isnt it? or do you call it fun.
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azeem sb
farigh time 673 posts = proven - posts every per day nothing better to do
nascar
busy mostly but like to play/have fun some time 15-20 posts =proven- happy have many better things to do
Azeem:
Eager to learn from accountants working all over the world, due to his better time management skills, spare 15 mins a day for this learning process.
Nascar:
A kid who hasnt got a clue what time management is, who is currently posting msgs more than Azeem (more than 1 post a day) and calling others faarigh.
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the current best pay that i know of in islamabd of a 3 yrs firm plus 1yr industry experience ACCA guy is max PKRs. 45K(but mostly are in 20s 30s). roughly 1/3 of what the best an ACA gets here most are at (60-90)some also have cars.
so in monetary terms 3 ACCA = 1 ACA
I didnt want to comedown to this, I hired a qualified CA(Pak)perhaps more experienced than you are on 12k pa GBP, I had to fight with my HR department to increase his starting salary to 16k just because he held a professional qualification. Should you wish to come to UK do let me know and I will get one for you as well! it will still be more than what you guys earn down there. This is the case here experienced ACCAs earn more than 3 times of what CA(Pak) earns here (exceptions aside). However, I wont write X ACA(Pak) = 1 ACCA, as I am not disgraceful as you are. Come on a common ground boy, Middle East perhaps and see who earns what.
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Azeem sb said : "I do agree with your advise, anyone aiming to work in Pakistan should go for ACA, if I were in Pakistan I would have done the same as your qualification makes you preferrable there"
just to clarify he wanted to say that he wish that he could be an ACA and in pakistan
Dream on! Alhamdulillah I have achieved whatever and whereever I wanted. I am very satisfied with what and where I am.
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To Mr. Goodman
This international bakra (so called globally recognized qualification "ACCA") is being slaughtered in Pakistan continously and if your good brains pick up the annual report-2005 and recent published magazines of ICAP you will come to know that local laws are gonna more strict to get this international bakra laying down on the ground and showing more confidence over ICAP products.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Do you know you can be reported for this to ICAP, kid be careful!!!
Since you are into reading go and read the student rule book. I am deliberately not responding to you as you are NOTHING, but a bi-product of this creature. I am booting him out so you will come on track automatically. Did it give you a laugh?
Remember I said these four letters follow my name and such comments will be taken personal.
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i dont like draws either i win or i lose so wat u say!!!ACCA
Go on champ! give me a tougher one this time!
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 12:52:32 AM
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
I was away for a day, cameback today and what I see is a birth of a puppy. Surely animals do multiply in no time. I hope this will give them a good laugh too.
Do you know you can be reported for this to ICAP, kid be careful!!!
Since you are into reading go and read the student rule book. I am deliberately not responding to you as you are NOTHING, but a bi-product of this creature. I am booting him out so you will come on track automatically. Did it give you a laugh?
Remember I said these four letters follow my name and such comments will be taken personal.
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i dont like draws either i win or i lose so wat u say!!!ACCA
Go on champ! give me a tougher one this time!
Dear Mr. Azeem
PS: dont pick the post blindly, follow the reference through which I replied and to whom I replied. I think its the basic rule of this forum.
And you threatened me? Do it man, whatever you can do, just do it.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
United Kingdom
706 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 01:07:49 AM
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Originally posted by Ali Akbar
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
I was away for a day, cameback today and what I see is a birth of a puppy. Surely animals do multiply in no time. I hope this will give them a good laugh too.
Do you know you can be reported for this to ICAP, kid be careful!!!
Since you are into reading go and read the student rule book. I am deliberately not responding to you as you are NOTHING, but a bi-product of this creature. I am booting him out so you will come on track automatically. Did it give you a laugh?
Remember I said these four letters follow my name and such comments will be taken personal.
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i dont like draws either i win or i lose so wat u say!!!ACCA
Go on champ! give me a tougher one this time!
Dear Mr. Azeem
PS: dont pick the post blindly, follow the reference through which I replied and to whom I replied. I think its the basic rule of this forum.
And you threatened me? Do it man, whatever you can do, just do it.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Your post states my name.
Your post calls ACCA international.........etc etc
It is the contents which are important not the addressees.
I havent threatened you? I have only advised you to be careful!!!
If you will continue doing this, you can be reported (not by me), and dont take it so lightly kid! you dont know what consequences it can bring(again its not a threat a frank word of caution). I would never like anyones career on stake just because he/she likes to type before he/she thinks.
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Ali Akbar
Senior
Norway
461 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 01:22:59 AM
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
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Originally posted by Ali Akbar
quote:
Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
I was away for a day, cameback today and what I see is a birth of a puppy. Surely animals do multiply in no time. I hope this will give them a good laugh too.
Do you know you can be reported for this to ICAP, kid be careful!!!
Since you are into reading go and read the student rule book. I am deliberately not responding to you as you are NOTHING, but a bi-product of this creature. I am booting him out so you will come on track automatically. Did it give you a laugh?
Remember I said these four letters follow my name and such comments will be taken personal.
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i dont like draws either i win or i lose so wat u say!!!ACCA
Go on champ! give me a tougher one this time!
Dear Mr. Azeem
PS: dont pick the post blindly, follow the reference through which I replied and to whom I replied. I think its the basic rule of this forum.
And you threatened me? Do it man, whatever you can do, just do it.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Your post states my name.
Your post calls ACCA international.........etc etc
It is the contents which are important not the addressees.
I havent threatened you? I have only advised you to be careful!!!
If you will continue doing this, you can be reported (not by me), and dont take it so lightly kid! you dont know what consequences it can bring(again its not a threat a frank word of caution). I would never like anyones career on stake just because he/she likes to type before he/she thinks.
Again I m saying that please read the reference to whom I replied and what he said earlier. If he can say anything, we dont have any right to protect?
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
United Kingdom
706 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 01:50:20 AM
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Originally posted by Ali Akbar
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
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Originally posted by Ali Akbar
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
I was away for a day, cameback today and what I see is a birth of a puppy. Surely animals do multiply in no time. I hope this will give them a good laugh too.
Do you know you can be reported for this to ICAP, kid be careful!!!
Since you are into reading go and read the student rule book. I am deliberately not responding to you as you are NOTHING, but a bi-product of this creature. I am booting him out so you will come on track automatically. Did it give you a laugh?
Remember I said these four letters follow my name and such comments will be taken personal.
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i dont like draws either i win or i lose so wat u say!!!ACCA
Go on champ! give me a tougher one this time!
Dear Mr. Azeem
PS: dont pick the post blindly, follow the reference through which I replied and to whom I replied. I think its the basic rule of this forum.
And you threatened me? Do it man, whatever you can do, just do it.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Your post states my name.
Your post calls ACCA international.........etc etc
It is the contents which are important not the addressees.
I havent threatened you? I have only advised you to be careful!!!
If you will continue doing this, you can be reported (not by me), and dont take it so lightly kid! you dont know what consequences it can bring(again its not a threat a frank word of caution). I would never like anyones career on stake just because he/she likes to type before he/she thinks.
Again I m saying that please read the reference to whom I replied and what he said earlier. If he can say anything, we dont have any right to protect?
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
I cant see GOODMAN writing any bad words for ICAP, his example (I think) is for the person whose posts are only enjoyed by yourself, everybody else is cursing him.
I know you are not this kind of a person, it is the bad influence you have taken from the loser. Thats why I wanted to caution you, if you have any grudge against a person, if you are offended by somebod's post - argue with him but dont start throwing mud on a professional qualification. I am sure you would never liked to be looked down upon because of your qualification, you are working hard to attain it, then how can you support someone and laugh on someone's posts disrespecting ACCA.
I would like to see Goodman's reply.
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 01:58:18 AM
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It seems to be an endless debate. I can't see any fruitfull finale over it.
Since, this CA thing is the first Pakistani qualfication which is being preferred over international qualifications and this is the matter of proud for all of us Pakistanis, and keeping in view this fact if one can't absorb this fact and denying this fact by one way or another, now this is unfair!
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
United Kingdom
706 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 05:15:12 AM
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Originally posted by Ali Akbar
It seems to be an endless debate. I can't see any fruitfull finale over it.
Since, this CA thing is the first Pakistani qualfication which is being preferred over international qualifications and this is the matter of proud for all of us Pakistanis, and keeping in view this fact if one can't absorb this fact and denying this fact by one way or another, now this is unfair!
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Who is denying the fact that CAs are preferred in Pakistan? I even said that if I were in Pakistan I would have done the same. I never denied this fact what I denied are the basis people used to prove this preference, mainly they used the following basis:
- salary/job market
- curriculum
- pass rate
Curriculum is more or less the same and in many cases ACCAs curriculum is far more updated. Pass rate is different due to different examination structures - paper base - part/stage base system. Salary/job market differs from location to location i.e. if you are in Pakistan CAs definitely earn more (we all know the reasons), if you are in UK ACCAs are paid more and in independant places like Middle East both enjoy roughly the same respect and earnings. It concludes that no professional qualification is superior to the other in essence, it is other reasons that make a qualification preferrable. Using such basis to demean other qualifications is pure absurdity and calling it fun/joke/game is lunacy.
People who support such ideas are only going to harm themselves with such views and thats what I always like to convey to all professionals/students. Respect! so others can respect you! I know how to deal with such lunatics, I have done it in past and I will keep doing the same in future!
I hope after reading the above you will reasses your comments you posted earlier and now you may be thinking if it was something to laugh over or to condemn. Helping evil spread is even a bigger sin! teasing, disrespecting someone is no way funny!
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Ali Akbar
Senior
Norway
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 3:09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
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Originally posted by Ali Akbar
It seems to be an endless debate. I can't see any fruitfull finale over it.
Since, this CA thing is the first Pakistani qualfication which is being preferred over international qualifications and this is the matter of proud for all of us Pakistanis, and keeping in view this fact if one can't absorb this fact and denying this fact by one way or another, now this is unfair!
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Who is denying the fact that CAs are preferred in Pakistan? I even said that if I were in Pakistan I would have done the same. I never denied this fact what I denied are the basis people used to prove this preference, mainly they used the following basis:
- salary/job market
- curriculum
- pass rate
Curriculum is more or less the same and in many cases ACCAs curriculum is far more updated. Pass rate is different due to different examination structures - paper base - part/stage base system. Salary/job market differs from location to location i.e. if you are in Pakistan CAs definitely earn more (we all know the reasons), if you are in UK ACCAs are paid more and in independant places like Middle East both enjoy roughly the same respect and earnings. It concludes that no professional qualification is superior to the other in essence, it is other reasons that make a qualification preferrable. Using such basis to demean other qualifications is pure absurdity and calling it fun/joke/game is lunacy.
People who support such ideas are only going to harm themselves with such views and thats what I always like to convey to all professionals/students. Respect! so others can respect you! I know how to deal with such lunatics, I have done it in past and I will keep doing the same in future!
I hope after reading the above you will reasses your comments you posted earlier and now you may be thinking if it was something to laugh over or to condemn. Helping evil spread is even a bigger sin! teasing, disrespecting someone is no way funny!
Kind regards
No. CAs are the CAs and they cant be equal not just on the basis you mentioned but I have seen ACCAs working in CA firms, we people also work in market. I know their approache of working, applying shortcuts everywhere! So no need to write another post in response of this one because its not gonna work.
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hanifasif
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 6:26:47 PM
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 7:27:10 PM
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No. CAs are the CAs and they cant be equal not just on the basis you mentioned but I have seen ACCAs working in CA firms, we people also work in market. I know their approache of working, applying shortcuts everywhere! So no need to write another post in response of this one because its not gonna work.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Dear Ali
Please let me know some of these short cuts as well, I am trying to think where these can be applied in practice where almost every single task is instructed in the audit programme or practice manuals.
I trained CIMA, ACCA, CA(EW), CA(Pak) trainees, they used to do what I asked them to do, they had to follow my instructions. Following the standard procedures and manager's instructions is trainee's responsibilty, if they dont follow them it is their own mistake, their professional body cant be blamed for this. Secondly you cant generalise your observation of few individuals on the qualification as a whole. Every now and then lots of CAs are reprimanded for corruption and unethical actions, you cant blame ICAP for their actions. It is the individual not the qualification. If a muslim commits a sin you wont blame Islam for that.....hope this makes sense.
You wrote in your post that you dont want me to respond to it as it will not work? Why is that? Isn't it like saying my toy is better than yours? when it isn't? I have expressed my views in a very neutral way, without demeaning a qualification. I havent said CA is inferior or anything, all qualifications are good and no one is superior to no one.
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
United Kingdom
706 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 7:51:32 PM
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Originally posted by hanifasif
Yes, CAs are CAs, (in Pakistan) and if its only the ACA designation that matters then the distinction between CAs and ACCAs is going to be obliterated by ICAEW - CCAB route. It’s a reality and I don’t know why its so hard for people to accept it.
It will be interesting to see ICAP's policy towards CA(EW). I can understand why it is so difficult for them to understand this fact. ICAP like ICAEW enjoyed this monoply over a long period of time, it is certainly not easy for them to see other professional bodies sharing it.
Kind regards
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Ali Akbar
Senior
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 9:47:10 PM
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
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No. CAs are the CAs and they cant be equal not just on the basis you mentioned but I have seen ACCAs working in CA firms, we people also work in market. I know their approache of working, applying shortcuts everywhere! So no need to write another post in response of this one because its not gonna work.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Dear Ali
Please let me know some of these short cuts as well, I am trying to think where these can be applied in practice where almost every single task is instructed in the audit programme or practice manuals.
I trained CIMA, ACCA, CA(EW), CA(Pak) trainees, they used to do what I asked them to do, they had to follow my instructions. Following the standard procedures and manager's instructions is trainee's responsibilty, if they dont follow them it is their own mistake, their professional body cant be blamed for this. Secondly you cant generalise your observation of few individuals on the qualification as a whole. Every now and then lots of CAs are reprimanded for corruption and unethical actions, you cant blame ICAP for their actions. It is the individual not the qualification. If a muslim commits a sin you wont blame Islam for that.....hope this makes sense.
You wrote in your post that you dont want me to respond to it as it will not work? Why is that? Isn't it like saying my toy is better than yours? when it isn't? I have expressed my views in a very neutral way, without demeaning a qualification. I havent said CA is inferior or anything, all qualifications are good and no one is superior to no one.
Kind regards
If the corruption has been occured, its the ICAP which takes action against its own members and maintains the quality control.
If the ICAEW has not been superseded by ACCA in its UK then ICAP in Pakistan is far far away for them. In the end I will say that my stance is not that, you people consider CA as inferior to ACCA, my stance is that don't consider ACCA to be equal to CA, its my own belive and perception and no one has right to impose his ideas but the person should be wise enough to make a logical judgement.
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Azeem Shah Khan
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 10:51:58 PM
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If the corruption has been occured, its the ICAP which takes action against its own members and maintains the quality control.
If the ICAEW has not been superseded by ACCA in its UK then ICAP in Pakistan is far far away for them. In the end I will say that my stance is not that, you people consider CA as inferior to ACCA, my stance is that don't consider ACCA to be equal to CA, its my own belive and perception and no one has right to impose his ideas but the person should be wise enough to make a logical judgement.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
I dont consider CA inferior nor I consider CA superior to ACCA. Both are professional qualifications and should be respected. I appreciate your views and beliefs, no one has the right to impose his ideas on you but they do have the right to discuss them with LOGIC specially if you write something against it. I am not saying your perception is wrong, I am asking you and everyone on this forum to respect other qualifications.......calling ACCA an international....doesnt sound very positive.
If you think it is all down to ones own perception then I dont see any point discussing this issue with you specially with logics.
Best of luck with your studies and qualification, I sincerely hope you acheieve what you are aiming for.
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 11:24:53 PM
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
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If the corruption has been occured, its the ICAP which takes action against its own members and maintains the quality control.
If the ICAEW has not been superseded by ACCA in its UK then ICAP in Pakistan is far far away for them. In the end I will say that my stance is not that, you people consider CA as inferior to ACCA, my stance is that don't consider ACCA to be equal to CA, its my own belive and perception and no one has right to impose his ideas but the person should be wise enough to make a logical judgement.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
I dont consider CA inferior nor I consider CA superior to ACCA. Both are professional qualifications and should be respected. I appreciate your views and beliefs, no one has the right to impose his ideas on you but they do have the right to discuss them with LOGIC specially if you write something against it. I am not saying your perception is wrong, I am asking you and everyone on this forum to respect other qualifications.......calling ACCA an international....doesnt sound very positive.
If you think it is all down to ones own perception then I dont see any point discussing this issue with you specially with logics.
Best of luck with your studies and qualification, I sincerely hope you acheieve what you are aiming for.
Kind regards
Thanks dear for best wishes, same to you.
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Azeem Shah Khan
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 11:54:57 PM
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Thanks dear for best wishes, same to you.
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - Apr 24 2006 : 12:47:06 AM
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
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Thanks dear for best wishes, same to you.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Anytime!
Azeem bhai you are the first one who inspired me on this board. Sorry if I have hurted you!!
As I usually say no matter whatever you do, but do it with full devotion and love.
Again sorry if I have hurted you!
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Azeem Shah Khan
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Posted - Apr 24 2006 : 12:58:01 AM
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Originally posted by Ali Akbar
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
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Thanks dear for best wishes, same to you.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
Anytime!
Azeem bhai you are the first one who inspired me on this board. Sorry if I have hurted you!!
As I usually say no matter whatever you do, but do it with full devotion and love.
Again sorry if I have hurted you!
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
 Cheers bro! Thanks for your appreciation. I hope I didnt offend you in any of my posts, I am sorry if I did, certainly the intention wasnt there.
Kind regards
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - Apr 24 2006 : 01:10:30 AM
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Cheers bro! Thanks for your appreciation. I hope I didnt offend you in any of my posts, I am sorry if I did, certainly the intention wasnt there.
Kind regards
Azeem
Its ok man you didnt, but I offended you hain na? Sorry for it.
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Azeem Shah Khan
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Posted - Apr 24 2006 : 5:59:20 PM
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Originally posted by Ali Akbar
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Originally posted by Azeem Shah Khan
Cheers bro! Thanks for your appreciation. I hope I didnt offend you in any of my posts, I am sorry if I did, certainly the intention wasnt there.
Kind regards
Azeem
Its ok man you didnt, but I offended you hain na? Sorry for it.
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
It requires a character to accept mistake and apologise, I am glad that YOU HAVE IT!
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Pracs
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Posted - Apr 25 2006 : 04:26:14 AM
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Nice to see ASK and Ali making up.. I guess this is the first time it has happened on this thread,... on all those 40 pages.
I guess its important for us all to believe in what we believe, but never forget in life that we believe in the right thing, the right ideals and the right path. |
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Azeem Shah Khan
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Posted - Apr 25 2006 : 9:50:51 PM
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Nice to see ASK and Ali making up.. I guess this is the first time it has happened on this thread,... on all those 40 pages.
I guess its important for us all to believe in what we believe, but never forget in life that we believe in the right thing, the right ideals and the right path.
TRUE!
Any news about Nascar? he has disappeared again.......probably couldnt take the heat. I hope he makes some sense when he comes back again.
Come back Nascar! Although you wrote either you win or lose and now you have backed-off but still I wont say you LOST it! Come back and share your expertise/skills with all of us and gain from ours.
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - Apr 25 2006 : 10:21:58 PM
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Originally posted by Pracs
Nice to see ASK and Ali making up.. I guess this is the first time it has happened on this thread,... on all those 40 pages.
I guess its important for us all to believe in what we believe, but never forget in life that we believe in the right thing, the right ideals and the right path.
TRUE!
Any news about Nascar? he has disappeared again.......probably couldnt take the heat. I hope he makes some sense when he comes back again.
Come back Nascar! Although you wrote either you win or lose and now you have backed-off but still I wont say you LOST it! Come back and share your expertise/skills with all of us and gain from ours.
Kind regards
Yeah. Ok. I have a query relating to IFRS 5 'Non current assets held for sale'.
Different professionals have different opinions about this query. I am posting it on 'accounting and audit' forum. You both seniors please do reply on it and please give your opinions. Earlier I had query relating to IAS 32 but got no reply, but this time please give your opinions
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - Apr 26 2006 : 11:28:52 AM
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Yeah. Ok. I have a query relating to IFRS 5 'Non current assets held for sale'.
Different professionals have different opinions about this query. I am posting it on 'accounting and audit' forum. You both seniors please do reply on it and please give your opinions. Earlier I had query relating to IAS 32 but got no reply, but this time please give your opinions
ICAPians, the unparalleled..
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Sorry to say but why we don't take interest in these profession related issues and queries? We all take too much interest in general queries like 'keyboard shortcuts' etc. Why not these specific issues
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Goodman
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Posted - Apr 27 2006 : 2:39:31 PM
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Ali
Are you trying to test the knowledge or trying to ask a genuine question where you need guidance?
if you are trying to test the knowledge, you must change sooner or later in life otherwise it could land you in difficulty with your seniors around you in your professional career.
If it was a genuine questions, I believe Pracs has answered in the best possible way and if you need quidance on substance over legal form issue, please say so.
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Nascar
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Posted - May 04 2006 : 7:02:50 PM
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common guyz reply to him dont be so afraid
ur knowledge wont be reduced :)
where r the cats dogs monkeys comments u acca's have they might com in handy
it seems the fire burns on i missed a few days but u all missed me a lot - thanks
waisey wat is IFRS - i dont know them personally - how do they
work :)
azeem baby the comment bout ali being a by product was not appreciated comon why do u have to be imolite to a person
have i ever said any body anything bad - if u can point it out through ur best time management skilss that would be gr - u can also find hoe many time u have called others animals and said personal bad things bout others
that just shows ur character
please hire a few more CAs there they might teach u some manners
or as gr8 as u r u might come back to pakistan and help the country develop into a finacial superpower - the finance minister seat is waiting for u
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Nascar
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Posted - May 04 2006 : 7:17:57 PM
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azeem sb with bad manners - for u with love
as i know the CA's going to E&Y UK are getting GBP 5k per month may be u were hiring at a 3rd grade level for ur gr8 HARDdy firm
r u going to answer to the puppy or not (as u consider him one) com on he might bark and u all will start running
br careful he might be bluffing or making a fool out of u intelligent people -
u all azeem pracs hanif etc people say that the fear of death is more than the actual time when death comes - so r u brave enogh
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Azeem Shah Khan
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Posted - May 05 2006 : 12:07:35 AM
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azeem baby the comment bout ali being a by product was not appreciated comon why do u have to be imolite to a person
have i ever said any body anything bad - if u can point it out through ur best time management skilss that would be gr - u can also find hoe many time u have called others animals and said personal bad things bout others
that just shows ur character
please hire a few more CAs there they might teach u some manners
You dont ask you dont get! But if you will ask you will get ALOT!!!
You asked for it! I didnt initiate it! You disrespected not only me but all the ACCAs.
Not once not twice so many times you called them "druggist/compounders" with a sole intention of humiliating them, and you admitted that was your intention. I wrote not once not twice but so many times that these four letters follow my name and disgracing these letters will be considered PERSONAL!!! Did you not find these statements in my posts, I made it very clear so many times. If you will go personal I will go personal. You cant expect me to be polite with you or people following your footsteps.
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and ali sb u need to play more with them they cant trust u ever
Instead of being ashmed for bad mouthing you are asking other members to disrespect ACCA and ACCAs and me. Do I need to write that its you who need to learn manners.
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as i know the CA's going to E&Y UK are getting GBP 5k per month may be u were hiring at a 3rd grade level for ur gr8 HARDdy firm
Dont generalise exceptions! I know an ACCA who is earning Rs300k plus per month in Karachi (working in a fin institution). If you are that eager to know who earns what refer to this link:
http://www.hays.com/library/pdf/accountancy/commerce_july2005.pdf
HAYS is one of the most respected independant org, certailny, I have no input whatsoever in their surveys. The salary comparison is between CCAB qualifications and surely CA(Pak) dont earn more than ICAEW.
Again this reflects nothing, as this is not a NEUTRAL ground. A better analysis would be in a region like Middle East.
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u all azeem pracs hanif etc people say that the fear of death is more than the actual time when death comes - so r u brave enogh
Pracs and Hanif are very respected members of this forum, challenging them in this way shows your character!!!
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r u going to answer to the puppy or not (as u consider him one) com on he might bark and u all will start running
I never ran, you disappeared!!!and I havent even started yet!
I thought you will come up with some tough ones! I think I over estimated you.
I think this will be enough for you to go in hybernation for sometime.
LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST: Stop disgracing others, respect them so they can respect you! Hope you understand.
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Nascar
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Posted - May 05 2006 : 10:34:14 AM
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i think all ur respect is linked to those four words! - but there r so many other four letter word that u may like to call others :) -
pl. dont say all ACCAs have been desrespected by me many have done much better things and gotten/earned my respect as well. unlike some who only think being an ACCA gives them a right to say anything even things they cant do !!
baby u can only wish that only qualifications earned respect and without a qualification all respect is gone
anyway a drugist is a very respectful profession and without one a doctor may not be able to complete his job so do u think that the druggist is just some other kind of animal
calling people puppy at one end and a druggist has a vast diff - if anyone of urs father was a druggist u would have been called it superior profession to ACCA - i think even a sweeper is a respectable profession u living in UK should understand this better -
humiliation is only a feeling which is felt when somthing is true and felt by the heart - my true words did that to u .
azeem sb grow up u cant be humiliated by somthing which u consider to be not true !!or can u be - if so which animal do u like the most and hate the most :) u can call it to uself and get humiliated or feel good ur self cause i would never call u an animal - but ACCAs are another breed - science is still trying to detrmine how superior they r to the humans:):)
comon u just dont have control over urself - gather urself up
, the salry sheet link seems useless - GBP 60 k pa for a CA from PK in E&Y UK is it not right? exp 1-2 yrs. seems quite ok to me does an ACCA get the same or higher - even if its higher and there r a lot of ACCA in UK why r they hiring from PK for the last few yrs - comon u need to improve ACCA quality over there as well - it seems that they cant do audits as well.
i know of very few pK CAs going to UK these days except for E&Y one all other were under the HSMP - HSMP eligible ones already have salaries above Rs. 80-90 k and they wont go to UK untill they get a job which gets them abetter living standard plus substantial saving then wat they r earnng now and which comes to be the salary range wat e&Y UK is giving and that is used as a bench mark.
a single ACCCA with 300k in pk gr8 - u need to check his back ground experience as well - it could never be only a fresh ACCA - all depends on expeirence and most probalay he couldnt pass CA so did aCCA for compensating things but i may be wrong there he could refered by u n the other hand
for ali i told u they cant trust u - they r afraid that u will play - so even if u play or not they will still think u r playing - good luck n enjoy life -
n lastly earn respect just dont ask for it and dont lose so easily :))
being polite is a vitue learned at home i cant tech u that or can I. anger is bad- get control - being impolite is always bad manners even if u r offended - u r not talking in a sabzi mandi it a forum u learn all all ur accounting from :)))
bye boys - specially the other respect ful ones - he really loves u all b- by the way r u brave enough to answer the puppy ( i love a lot) - hope u understood wat i meant earlier |
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - May 05 2006 : 4:25:33 PM
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Ali
Are you trying to test the knowledge or trying to ask a genuine question where you need guidance?
if you are trying to test the knowledge, you must change sooner or later in life otherwise it could land you in difficulty with your seniors around you in your professional career.
If it was a genuine questions, I believe Pracs has answered in the best possible way and if you need quidance on substance over legal form issue, please say so.
By the way what is the purpose of this post? It doesn't make sense, and if you think that I want to test your knowledge then why you are afraid of it?
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Azeem Shah Khan
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Posted - May 05 2006 : 5:50:15 PM
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i think all ur respect is linked to those four words! - but there r so many other four letter word that u may like to call others :) -
Alot of my respect does link to these four letters, indeed there are many other four letter words which I will not hesitate to use in RESPONSE to disgraceful posts from ill-mannered people like you. You may call it "getting lose" I call it a LESSON.
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pl. dont say all ACCAs have been desrespected by me many have done much better things and gotten/earned my respect as well. unlike some who only think being an ACCA gives them a right to say anything even things they cant do !!
A person who has been eschewed by both ACCAs and CAs for his bad mouthing cant say this! so stop this non-sense. Not even a single member respects you, everyone shuns you, some of them apologise on your behalf. Do you need more examples.
I would like to see those NAMES who have "earned" your respect :) does anyone care??? You think people miss you when you are not around, I bet nobody does.
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anyway a drugist is a very respectful profession and without one a doctor may not be able to complete his job so do u think that the druggist is just some other kind of animal
calling people puppy at one end and a druggist has a vast diff - if anyone of urs father was a druggist u would have been called it superior profession to ACCA - i think even a sweeper is a respectable profession u living in UK should understand this better -
humiliation is only a feeling which is felt when somthing is true and felt by the heart - my true words did that to u .
azeem sb grow up u cant be humiliated by somthing which u consider to be not true !!or can u be - if so which animal do u like the most and hate the most :) u can call it to uself and get humiliated or feel good ur self cause i would never call u an animal - but ACCAs are another breed - science is still trying to detrmine how superior they r to the humans:):)
Dont give me this bull****, whether you swear or use metaphorical statements to disrespect others - it makes no difference. Calling Asians **** is considered a swear word in UK, do you see anything wrong in it!!! It is the underlying meaning and intention which is important.
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the salry sheet link seems useless - GBP 60 k pa for a CA from PK in E&Y UK is it not right? exp 1-2 yrs. seems quite ok to me does an ACCA get the same or higher - even if its higher and there r a lot of ACCA in UK why r they hiring from PK for the last few yrs - comon u need to improve ACCA quality over there as well - it seems that they cant do audits as well.
i know of very few pK CAs going to UK these days except for E&Y one all other were under the HSMP - HSMP eligible ones already have salaries above Rs. 80-90 k and they wont go to UK untill they get a job which gets them abetter living standard plus substantial saving then wat they r earnng now and which comes to be the salary range wat e&Y UK is giving and that is used as a bench mark.
a single ACCCA with 300k in pk gr8 - u need to check his back ground experience as well - it could never be only a fresh ACCA - all depends on expeirence and most probalay he couldnt pass CA so did aCCA for compensating things but i may be wrong there he could refered by u n the other hand
Yeah! all independant salary surveys are rubbish, next time publish a salary survey of your own, use any numbers as you may wish but do put DREAMLAND in the location. I have already decided the title for that survey Idiots Salary Guide :))) this will be an addition to other idiots guide.
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being polite is a vitue learned at home i cant tech u that or can I. anger is bad- get control - being impolite is always bad manners even if u r offended - u r not talking in a sabzi mandi it a forum u learn all all ur accounting from :)))
being well-mannered is also a virtue which is learned at home and that I can definitely teach you. Anger is good when controlled and well directed to shun trouble makers like you who admittedly like to tease, hurt, disrespect, humiliate (i know you have recently bought a dictionary so dont tell me the meanings) others.
Kid go home, learn manners, then come back and start making sense.
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n lastly earn respect just dont ask for it and dont lose so easily :))
Respect others otherwise dont expect it in return!
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dumbo
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Posted - May 06 2006 : 6:57:05 PM
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azeem bhai let go yaar
yeh banda apane ap ko bara phanne khan samajhta hai .
bat tamiz khain ka .
har aik se pange leta phirta hai . |
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Pracs
Partner
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Posted - May 07 2006 : 4:50:42 PM
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ausmanpk2001
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Posted - May 10 2006 : 12:37:32 AM
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These CA guys are always bouncing over ACCA's.
agar acca ki itni hi value hai then why are you all ca guys are always afraid of acca & always condemning it.
this is your ghalat gahmi kay pak ca's are given preference over acca's in uk. saying this is just rubbish. probably you should open up a Jhoot bolna training institute. you guys are really very well versed in this area.
an old saying....
koi murda horse ko kick nahin karta. agar acca ki koi value nahin hai then why are ca's always afraid of it & saying that "acca ki koi value nahin hai, acca ki koi value nahin hai".
why dont you say this about bcom/mcom. becaz un ka reality main ca say koi competition nahin hai. jis cheez ka competition hai, hamesha usi say compete kartay rehtay ho......is liye ca's bhool kar bhi kabhi yeh nahin kehtay kay bcom ki value nahin hai, magar woh kabhi yeh kehna nahin bhooltay kay acca ki value nahin hai.
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Ali Akbar
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Posted - May 10 2006 : 01:08:40 AM
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Originally posted by ausmanpk2001
These CA guys are always bouncing over ACCA's.
agar acca ki itni hi value hai then why are you all ca guys are always afraid of acca & always condemning it.
this is your ghalat gahmi kay pak ca's are given preference over acca's in uk. saying this is just rubbish. probably you should open up a Jhoot bolna training institute. you guys are really very well versed in this area.
an old saying....
koi murda horse ko kick nahin karta. agar acca ki koi value nahin hai then why are ca's always afraid of it & saying that "acca ki koi value nahin hai, acca ki koi value nahin hai".
why dont you say this about bcom/mcom. becaz un ka reality main ca say koi competition nahin hai. jis cheez ka competition hai, hamesha usi say compete kartay rehtay ho......is liye ca's bhool kar bhi kabhi yeh nahin kehtay kay bcom ki value nahin hai, magar woh kabhi yeh kehna nahin bhooltay kay acca ki value nahin hai.
Whats this?
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Pracs
Partner
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Posted - May 10 2006 : 02:32:10 AM
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Originally posted by ausmanpk2001
These CA guys are always bouncing over ACCA's.
agar acca ki itni hi value hai then why are you all ca guys are always afraid of acca & always condemning it.
this is your ghalat gahmi kay pak ca's are given preference over acca's in uk. saying this is just rubbish. probably you should open up a Jhoot bolna training institute. you guys are really very well versed in this area.
an old saying....
koi murda horse ko kick nahin karta. agar acca ki koi value nahin hai then why are ca's always afraid of it & saying that "acca ki koi value nahin hai, acca ki koi value nahin hai".
why dont you say this about bcom/mcom. becaz un ka reality main ca say koi competition nahin hai. jis cheez ka competition hai, hamesha usi say compete kartay rehtay ho......is liye ca's bhool kar bhi kabhi yeh nahin kehtay kay bcom ki value nahin hai, magar woh kabhi yeh kehna nahin bhooltay kay acca ki value nahin hai.
I like your argument, it's to the point and logical and is not at all emotional unlike a lot of posts here,,. with 'laughters' and other 'syntax'unbecoming of a profesional forum |
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mroneflower
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Posted - May 10 2006 : 11:02:56 PM
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Hi
I am from London and ACCA qualified.
I read that some of the ppl are interested ICAEW after ACCA,whereas others are comapring ACCA(UK) with ACA(PK) and saying ACA is better than ACCA.
If ACA(PK) is better than ACCA then Y ACCA is recongised in 80 countries of the world including all in EU, Australia, NEW Zealand, Zimbabwe, South Aferica etc. On the other hands ACA(Pk) is only recognised in Pakistan.
If anyone can answer me y ACCA is recognised in 80 countries of the world and y ICAP is not, I will accept ACA (PK) is better than ACCA.
I have not understood ICAP policy, CPA(USA) is highly respectable qualification and recectly eight institutes of the world has formed GAA including CAP(USA), ICAEW, ICAI, ICAS, ICAA etc.
According to ICAP, ICAEW is a wonderful institutes with very high std. ICAEW recognised CAP(USA) then Y ICAP not. I may conclude that ICAP does what she wants to do.
Could anything let me know about ICAP marking guide and how much marks an individuals has to pass a paper.
ICAEW like ACCA awards pass in individual papers and not in whole of modules like ICAP. Sorry to say by employing this policy ICAP is not producing quality, the purpose of this policy is to pass only that much students who are required in market.
When you judge some qualification std then normally that qualification recoginition in the world is taken into account and not their monololist policies.
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Shahid_fss
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Posted - May 11 2006 : 03:39:54 AM
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MRONEFLOWER you are right, the basis of ICAP passing policy is not marks but the market and I can tell the reason which is employers. if you check ACCA's accredited employers, ACCA has a v.good reputation and a large no of employers. It has a quality system of feedback between it and its stakeholders. Its passing critaria is based on "work hard and get reward otherwise try again" rather then "wait for your place in market". The market of ACCA is spread all over the world. If you have participated in the live broadcast of CEO and MD of ACCA recently they clearly told us that if they have to choose between the quality and number they will choose "QUALITY" and that there is no compromise on quality. They also discussed the issue that "its easy to become No.1 but tough to maintain this possition". Surely the policies of ACCA are to maintain its "GLOBAL REPUTATION". They also discussed the question from some students that "Some qualifications are using same subjects as acca plus some extra subjects like maths, stats, eco, etc. They clearly told that this will not add any value and why those qualification dont gain such respect and enjoy such market winning and reward as accas. There is much to write but I was just commenting on above post.
The overall structure/system of ACCA is based on feedback. ACCA keeps itself changing and updated with the time. The major influance on its policies is of its stakeholders. The feedback they receive frome employers, students and other interested parties. Recently ACCA is going through a major change and this is the result of feedback from all over the world. You can say it is must for competetion and fulfilling new requirements.
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Pracs
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Posted - May 12 2006 : 02:07:08 AM
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Originally posted by mroneflower
Hi
I am from London and ACCA qualified.
I read that some of the ppl are interested ICAEW after ACCA,whereas others are comapring ACCA(UK) with ACA(PK) and saying ACA is better than ACCA.
If ACA(PK) is better than ACCA then Y ACCA is recongised in 80 countries of the world including all in EU, Australia, NEW Zealand, Zimbabwe, South Aferica etc. On the other hands ACA(Pk) is only recognised in Pakistan.
If anyone can answer me y ACCA is recognised in 80 countries of the world and y ICAP is not, I will accept ACA (PK) is better than ACCA.
I have not understood ICAP policy, CPA(USA) is highly respectable qualification and recectly eight institutes of the world has formed GAA including CAP(USA), ICAEW, ICAI, ICAS, ICAA etc.
According to ICAP, ICAEW is a wonderful institutes with very high std. ICAEW recognised CAP(USA) then Y ICAP not. I may conclude that ICAP does what she wants to do.
Could anything let me know about ICAP marking guide and how much marks an individuals has to pass a paper.
ICAEW like ACCA awards pass in individual papers and not in whole of modules like ICAP. Sorry to say by employing this policy ICAP is not producing quality, the purpose of this policy is to pass only that much students who are required in market.
When you judge some qualification std then normally that qualification recoginition in the world is taken into account and not their monololist policies.
Kind Regards
Khalid Sipra
Khalid I am sorry to say that you are doing exactly what NASCAR and other people were doing slandaring. As an ICAP member (and ACCA) I would like to say that just because ICAP is a local institute in no way are its accountant inferior to any one be it ACCA or ICAEW, infact ICAP continues to attract the best minds in the country ! and with top notch Audit training they are undoubtdly a step ahead of their peers (note I am not slandering any other qualification here), just saying that as a general statement. Ofcourse an ACCA,ACMA,CIMA with similar experience is in no way not equal.
As far as acceptability is concerned ICAP is acceptable the world over (more so because of a world wide demand in the profession)and over 30% of its members are actually abroad, in middle east, South Africa, UK, US, Australia, the carribean, Luxemborg, Canada,etc.
I am just trying to emphasise that professional qualifications are simply a key to enter the door,.. you do need to move your two feet to walk. Its quite imature to 'stereo type'any professional qualification. |
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mroneflower
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Posted - May 12 2006 : 07:34:06 AM
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Hi
I am not trying to say that ACA(PK) are inferior than any other accouancy institute neither i am saying that ICAP members do not have any knowledge. Yes I agree with you that the only reason ICAP is not recongined outside the Pakistan because ICAP is third world institute.
But can you see how ICAP and its member behaves. Have you seen ICAP policies?. ICAP is asking graduates to take PPT and pass if they wants to have admission, What its mean, its means that ICAP itself does not recognise her own country universities. Supereme court of America gave decison in 1960's that for admissions and for employment no appitute tests can be taken, it thwy would be taken they would not have any legal status.
According to my information ICAP re**** never ever be in double figures, where ACCA result is always more than 30% and ICAEW result is always 70%. What ICAP is trying to prove that students who done graduation from pakistani universities do not have any knowledge.
when ACCA introduce herself in pakistan in about 1993 0r 1995, ICAP used give exemption to ACCA afflicate (not ACCA members) 13 papers out of 16 (you must know it) y ICAP does not give any exemptions to ACCA, the reason is that, if ICAP give same number of exemtion to ACCA as it did before no one will go for ACA (PK) cause ICAP does fail students purposely (U must know it). Here in UK, ACCA and ICAEW are alomost same with same salary level, Y ICAP recognised ICAEW, cause ICAP knows that it very hard for overseas graduate to secure training contract with CA firms leading to ICAEW examinations. can you see my point.
Once again I am not saying ACA(PK) is not good qualification, I know about 50 to 60 ICAP member works in big 4 firms in UK. I am just critising ICAP policies.
One more thing, if ICAP says she does not give exemptions to ACCA cause ACCA does not gice exemption to ICAP members, ok its fair enough. One the other hands y ICAP recognised ICAEW, ICAS, ICAI, ICAA, CICA where none to these five insitute recognised ICAP.
I agree we as a pakistani should promote our own qualificatios, but can you see ICAP dual policies.
I hope you understood my point. At the end i do apologise if I have written anything which hurt anyone.
Kind Regards
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Shahid_fss
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Posted - May 12 2006 : 08:23:10 AM
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| You got my vote Khalid |
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