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FAK
Junior
Pakistan
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 Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 3:54:56 PM
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AOA Friends,
Certification in Control Self-Assessment (CCSA)
Certified Government Auditing Professional (CGAP)
Certified Internal Auditor (CIA)
Certified Financial Services Auditor (CFSA)
Any one of you knew anything about these certifications
Worth of these in pakistani market?
Are they Self-sufficient or considered to be a Supplement.
If they are a Supplement then what certification or degree one should pick that goes best for them.
Regards
Fahad A Khan
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 9:10:29 PM
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Dear Fahad,
I am able to let you know about one certification better, that is CIA.
I passed certified Internal Auditor in november 2002.
CIA exam consists of four parts (papers). Every paper consists of 125 MCQs and a 75% accuracy is required to pass. Exam is conducted twice a year, once in May and once in November. You may visit www.theiia.org for pdf brochure and registration forms. Review material for exam preparation is available in lahore (maybe in other cities also), written by Irvin N. Gleim. This material provides good knowledge base and exam pracitce.
About value in Pakistan...
I am also ACCA affiliate. I face this question many times regarding ACCA and/or CIA. My opinion is that if we grasp the real knowledge instead of just passing exam, it enables us to add value to the organisation. I assure you that you can get extra value from your employer if you add value to the his business. If you don't get the certification and just read a comprehensive book on Internal Auditing (ie Sawyer's Internal Auditing), you may be better to apply your knowledge better then those who have just 'passed' certifications like these.
Second thing about value is that instead of having a bunch of certifications one should have a specific career objective. If you wish to be Financial Analyst, go for CFA, internal auditing, go for CIA, Banking, M.S Banking or DAIBP, IT audit, CISA, management accountancy, CIMA CMA or ACMA, and so on...
I hope this exhaustive answer could satisfy one area of you question.
INA
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idreesdurrani
Junior
United Arab Emirates
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Posted - Nov 19 2004 : 10:58:27 AM
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Salam
Really informative reply...u have mentioned that the review material is available in lahore...will u plz specify where can i get that from???
O Lord! Increase me in knowledge...Ameen! |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Dec 08 2004 : 5:52:48 PM
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Salam
Really informative reply...u have mentioned that the review material is available in lahore...will u plz specify where can i get that from???
O Lord! Increase me in knowledge...Ameen!
WA,
Please contact Mr Safdar Abid phone Number 03004592625 for a photo copy of CIA REVIEW.
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idreesdurrani
Junior
United Arab Emirates
129 Posts |
Posted - Dec 09 2004 : 4:35:30 PM
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Thanx a lot for ur reply. Plz tell me from where I can get Sawyer’s Internal Auditing. I guess it will be available at all bookshops but I need the pirated version of it which I guess will be much cheaper. If u have any information, plz inform me
O Lord! Increase me in knowledge...Ameen! |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Dec 10 2004 : 10:44:58 AM
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You can find Sawyer's Internal Auditing from the same person for Rs. 2000/ (ie a photo copy). This book is in two volumes. I think the original book costs around $200.
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idreesdurrani
Junior
United Arab Emirates
129 Posts |
Posted - Dec 16 2004 : 5:56:50 PM
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Thank u very much
O Lord! Increase me in knowledge...Ameen! |
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Sohail_A
Junior
Pakistan
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Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 02:09:18 AM
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A-O-A,
Can you kindly tell me what edition of Sawyer's Internal Auditing Mr. Safdar Have.
Regards,
In This imaginative World Nothing is Impossible |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Dec 26 2004 : 10:04:01 PM
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A-O-A,
Can you kindly tell me what edition of Sawyer's Internal Auditing Mr. Safdar Have.
Regards,
In This imaginative World Nothing is Impossible
W-A, Sohail,
It may be appropriate if you contact with safdar. However it is newer version than what I got two years earlier....
"if you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there"
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Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 12:51:34 AM
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PLZ ALSO NARRATE that is there any college offering CIA and Is there any Exempton in it on Basis of ACCA. What is the scope of CIA and its Demand and Defficulty.
Are there any jobs available for CIA ....
I need a Comprehensive as well comprehensiveble Answer. Thanks In Advance
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 3:20:05 PM
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For scope please refer to second post of this topic though it is not too specific but it gives some idea.
Classes for CIA will start in two weeks at Audit and Accounts Training Institute, Gurumangat Road, Gulberg III Lahore. These classes are primarily for eovernment employees. However private students may also get addmission by paying fee.
Difficulty varies with the candidate's background... It requires parctical knowledge and strong academic background.
vist www.sbp.org.pk to see recent jobs for CIA's. More jobs are also there if CIA is coupled with practical experience. Experience is another debate.
If someone else have a question, don't hesitate to reply. I have no problem in answering it without giving my own details.
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Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 3:37:54 PM
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Thanks for ur reply but the 2nd answer in this thread doesnt actually show a clear veiw of Its Demand and Pay Sclaes available.
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Pracs
Partner
United Kingdom
1542 Posts |
Posted - Dec 27 2004 : 11:51:40 PM
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ACCAs are exempt paper 1 of CIA
"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 13:11 |
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
United Kingdom
706 Posts |
Posted - Dec 28 2004 : 12:12:41 AM
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hi pracs, ina
is it worth doing CIA if one is not in the "internal audit" as such and rather works in a general practice environment.
i am asking this because its been over an year now i haven't done anything "material" study wise and although i m a strong opponent of piling up qualifications for the sake of it, i do believe that one should keep on studying till time permits. i have got couple of options with me including CA-EW, CTA, CIMA etc... but they are all FULL BLOWN qualifications not like IIA(UK) or CIA where i have to appear in 3 papers (being an ACCA) which i can study on my own. moreover, in the coming years i might be looking forward to specialise in Internal Audit.
your valuable are comments eagerly awaited
kind regards
"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now." |
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Posted - Dec 28 2004 : 12:21:51 PM
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And plz tell a bit abt the papers of CIA.....
The Web Dress u mentioned also was of great imp and cleared the views abt CIA. Thanks......
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 1:16:53 PM
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Dear Azeem,
If general practice means working with a firm of accountants, then I am sure doing CIA is still a good option. Internal Audit is most misunderstood concept. It is all pervasive but independent activity. This is why IIA encourages a wide variety of professionals to obtain CIA degree.
Doing specialization in Internal Audit in future means that you'll probably get other accountancy experience and then come to Internal Audit. This is a great idea. And I'd like to let you know that after doing CIA and ACCA I started working with a Big 4 firm instead of starting in industry even I had good offers from industry. I beleive more in behaviour sciences then skills. For this reason firms are best places to be efficient in this area.
Hope this could help.
Regards,
INA
Now Mr. Swalat,
This time is to concentrate on your studies and do your articles. Once you complete both you may start with a salary of Rs. 15,000 to 20,000. But completion of both is necessary.
Demand varies but one thing is sure that in Government there are thousands of opportunities coming for internal audit professionals. To know about syllabus visit http://www.theiia.org/iia/index.cfm?doc_id=22 .
Kind Regards,
INA
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Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 1:27:34 PM
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Thanks for ur ... Plz also tell that on beeing an ACCA u r exempt frm the st paper but what if u dont opt for 3.1 Advanced Auditing in ur Optional Papers is still the st paper of CIA xempt........ Thanks
And one more thing... What is the normal duration alongside the minimum duration in which CIA can be completed...... Tahnks.....
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Goodman
Senior
328 Posts |
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 3:06:23 PM
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Azeem
I believe it depends where do you see yourself in say 8 years time. If you plan to move to industry then CIA appear to be a suitable progression. However, if you plan to remain in public practice then definately CTA is better much better than CIA.
Doing CA-EW or CIMA with ACCA, you know as well as I do that such combination in UK market will not add notable value unless you plan going back Pakistan. You can get the same job with CA-EW as you would do with ACCA.
I thought you were planning Dip IAS. Have you dropped that idea?
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
United Kingdom
706 Posts |
Posted - Dec 29 2004 : 11:29:25 PM
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Dear ina
thanks for your valuable views.
Dear Goodman
yes DipIAS is still ON, targeting April 05 to appear in exams. recently bought ICAEW's manual and CDs for the course. you might be aware of the fact that ICAEW is also offering the same Dip and i opted for that one.
for some reasons i dont really want to study FULL TIME in year 2005, will look forward to do some hardcore study in 2006 which may include either CA-EW or CTA but meanwhile i will stick to some STUDENT FRIENDLY courses like DipIAS or CIA/IIA. just want to keep myself in the LOOP and build some supplementary knowledge by the time i start something BIG.
cheeeeeeeers
azeeeeeeeeem
"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now." |
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Mr. Whappaaaa
Semi Senior
Pakistan
215 Posts |
Posted - Jan 01 2005 : 8:59:49 PM
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DEAR INA:
U have covered almost all of the materail of CIA... but i wanna know about something more like:
1 Some one said to me that If u are full time student then CIA's registration fees ( may be examination fee also) will be reduced to an acceptable level.
2 I also heard to my colleagues that if u are full time tacher of any professional institutes then u have no need to pay subscription fees, may be exam fee also .
Is it right INA ..??? i also intend to do CIA but after qualifying ACCA .
so waiting ur response.
REGARDS:
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Mr. Whappaaaa
Semi Senior
Pakistan
215 Posts |
Posted - Jan 04 2005 : 10:20:13 PM
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DEAR INA :
R u alive in this world .. i am still waiting ur response ...
REGARDS:
ASIF ALI |
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idreesdurrani
Junior
United Arab Emirates
129 Posts |
Posted - Jan 07 2005 : 9:02:16 PM
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Dear Mr. Whappa
u r right. if u r a full time graduate or undergraduate student, The IIA fees is reduced to half (this includes both registration fee and examination fee) i think the registratio fee is reduced to round about 30US $ and the examination fee to somewhat 35us$ per paper/part.
For claiming this full time student status, u have to complete a form signed by the principal of the college or university in which u r enrolled as full time graduate or undergraduate student. the forms can be downloaded from IIA website.
for more information visit www.theiia.org
and Mr. Azeem
Can u tell us more about DipIAS and CTA
O Lord! Increase me in knowledge...Ameen! |
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Azeem Shah Khan
Manager
United Kingdom
706 Posts |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2005 : 4:48:27 PM
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DEAR INA :
R u alive in this world .. i am still waiting ur response ...
REGARDS:
ASIF ALI
AA Asif,
Yes I am alive in this world !!! . Sorry my dear as I could not have time to reply due to much busy schedule previous weeks. Fee for full time teachers if waived and for students it is half. Also for pakistan chapter members it is half.
If you let me know your email address I'll send you a pdf brochure of
pakistan chapter membership and more information and material.
Take care
INA
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2005 : 4:50:35 PM
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DEAR INA :
R u alive in this world .. i am still waiting ur response ...
REGARDS:
ASIF ALI
AA Asif,
Yes I am alive in this world !!! . Sorry my dear as I could not have time to reply due to much busy schedule previous weeks. Fee for full time teachers if waived and for students it is half. Also for pakistan chapter members it is half.
If you let me know your email address I'll send you a pdf brochure of
pakistan chapter membership and more information and material.
Take care
INA
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Mr. Whappaaaa
Semi Senior
Pakistan
215 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2005 : 11:41:33 PM
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AA Asif,
Yes I am alive in this world !!! . Sorry my dear as I could not have time to reply due to much busy schedule previous weeks. Fee for full time teachers if waived and for students it is half. Also for pakistan chapter members it is half.
If you let me know your email address I'll send you a pdf brochure of
pakistan chapter membership and more information and material.
Take care
INA
DEAR INA:
Its amazing to see you again on board, yes dear i want to know much more about CIA (and if pakistan chapter membeship is necessary to reduce to fee schedule then definitely i will go through ur PDF broschure. My E-mail address is asif_ali@accamail.com, asif_ali372@yahoo.com. & also i wish to know about the study material of CIA exam preparation, tel me just one recommended book of CIA who covers whole of the literature of CIA exam ( part 1 to 4th paperz).
so again waiting ur response.
REGARDS:
ASIF ALI |
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Desert Sleet
Senior
Pakistan
394 Posts |
Posted - Mar 15 2005 : 7:04:57 PM
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Originally posted by lion_king
hey INA kool to know that u have done CIA i have a couple of questions for ...hope u will answer them........1....u have just named one book in ur posts will that be enough for part 1 or the whole of CIA ..........2 can CIA certified do audit in pakistan, as i know that only CA's can do audit in pak;if they cannot do audit then whats the worth of CIA in pak.................3how long is the CIA articleship .............................k bye and take care
Dear CIA means Chartered Internal Auditor. This organisation IIA(institute of internal auditors) regulates the internal auditing profession.IIA has its own standards and guidelines which are mandatory and applicable on those that are the members of IIA.
The IIA’s premier certification is the Certified Internal Auditor (CIA) designation. The CIA title reflects competence in the principles and practices of internal auditing and serves as the only internationally accepted designation for internal auditors.
Attaining the CIA designation outwardly signifies your achievement and commitment to the profession. Whether you choose to stay within the field of internal auditing or move up within your organisation, the broad-based understanding of business, risk, and control required of CIAs will serve as an invaluable base of knowledge.
The CIA qualification is awarded by the IIA after successful completion of the CIA exams and 2 years approved practicing experience.
CIA candidates are required to complete 24 months of internal auditing experience or its equivalent. Equivalent experience means experience in audit/assessment disciplines, including external auditing, quality assurance, compliance, and internal control. Either a master’s degree or work experience in related business professions (such as accounting, law, or finance) can be substituted for one year of experience. Candidates may sit for the CIA exam prior to satisfying their experience requirement, but they will not be certified until the experience requirements has been met.
So CIA is for internal auditors while many other legal restriction only apply on External auditors. Likewise CIA qualified is fully eligible to act as an Internal Auditor.
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KLBA43
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
4 Posts |
Posted - Mar 30 2005 : 5:03:23 PM
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AOA
I am a chartered accountant and working in a textile group.
What should i try to do next, CIMA or CFA
please advise me with logics
regards
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Originally posted by FAK
AOA Friends,
Certification in Control Self-Assessment (CCSA)
Certified Government Auditing Professional (CGAP)
Certified Internal Auditor (CIA)
Certified Financial Services Auditor (CFSA)
Any one of you knew anything about these certifications
Worth of these in pakistani market?
Are they Self-sufficient or considered to be a Supplement.
If they are a Supplement then what certification or degree one should pick that goes best for them.
Regards
Fahad A Khan
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Apr 13 2005 : 11:49:44 PM
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Hi KLBA,
Actually I am unable to determine the nature of your job in the "textile group". Once I know it, I'll be able to say something about it. However you may read my post about various certifications and their "needs".
Regards,
INA |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Apr 14 2005 : 12:04:21 AM
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Hi Lion King,
1- There is are some other materials (ie exam practice CDs and books) available, {you may contact safdar abid for these}.
2- Certified Internal Auditors are experts in Internal Audit. CAs do external audits. However, there is no compulsion for internal auditors to be CIA or CA. But as you know qualification pays always.
3- You need two years of internal (or external) audit experince. For more guidance refer to www.theiia.org.
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Originally posted by lion_king
hey INA kool to know that u have done CIA i have a couple of questions for ...hope u will answer them........1....u have just named one book in ur posts will that be enough for part 1 or the whole of CIA ..........2 can CIA certified do audit in pakistan, as i know that only CA's can do audit in pak;if they cannot do audit then whats the worth of CIA in pak.................3how long is the CIA articleship .............................k bye and take care
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Noman Waris
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
1 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2005 : 02:57:31 AM
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Hello Friends
Can someone plz tell me where in karachi i can find information about CIA, is there any exemption in CIA for CA(ICAP). |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - May 01 2005 : 6:12:09 PM
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Originally posted by lion_king
well thanks a lot ina for ue reply.....but 1 question left unanswerd can CIA certified do audit in pakistan.....if they havent done the ca
This is important to note that CIAs "CANNOT" sign external audit reports like CA's if they are not Chartered Accountants. CIA does not entitle you to do "External Audit" independently. So be sure that members of ICAP can do and sign external audit. |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - May 01 2005 : 6:14:14 PM
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Dear Noman Waris,
If you have completed CA then you may get exemption from CIA part {IV) |
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sharjeelbutt
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Jun 05 2005 : 9:57:28 PM
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Hi All
These are relatively new certifications,..and have recently started to gain recognition around the globe.
Plenty of information is available in this respect on www.theiia.org
In pakistan the internal audit department of Hubco serves as a chapter for IIA. SHould anyone interested to apply or need more information, they can contact the local chapter.
Please note that these certifications are ADD ons and should not be your primary qualification. No doubt they will be enough for u to work as an internal auditor in any good organisation but please never under estimate ur selves and always aim for higher goals,..
regards
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Jun 08 2005 : 3:30:33 PM
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There are three chapters of the Institue of Internal Auditors in Pakistan, Lahore (as known as Pakistan Chapter), Karachi Chapter and Islamabad Chapter. Institute is planning to have another chapter in Multan. Karachi Chapter's president is Hubco's head of Internal Audit Ms Huma Pasha (FCA).
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asif.ashiqali
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Jun 12 2005 : 6:47:14 PM
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AOA,
Dear INA,
can you please email me the Brochure applicable to Pakistan full time students. My email id is asif.ashiqali@gmail.com. I really do appreciate your enthusiasm for helping students like us. Thank you in advance waiting for your name to appear in my inbox.
Bye, Takecare. |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Jun 13 2005 : 11:24:49 PM
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Hi Asif,
Please go to "meet the members section" to know about me as I have just given my introduction. Second thing is that you may email your postal address at ali.hasnat@gmail.com to get a hard copy of the brochure. |
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asif.ashiqali
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
9 Posts |
Posted - Jun 18 2005 : 10:52:23 PM
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AOA,
please let meknow what does it mean by senior undergraduate?
as i am not yet graduated but i still want to appear in exam is it possible for me to do this anyhow? |
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inqm82
Unregistered Trainee
1 Posts |
Posted - Jul 17 2005 : 02:28:53 AM
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A-O-A
It was really informative to the posts here however can anyone plz guide me where in Islamabad can i obtain information on CIA where can i get the study materials for CIA exams as im planning to appear in Nov session...thanks to anyone who replies me..
inam
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adnanakhtar
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
4 Posts |
Posted - Oct 10 2005 : 11:54:07 AM
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hello
i want to do CIA can you help me from where in karachi i'll get registraton and how many papers in CIA what it's requirement, fee.
send me complete detail as soon as possible i am waiting for your reply
thanks
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Edited by - adnanakhtar on Oct 11 2005 10:38:41 PM |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
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fatyma
Unregistered Trainee
1 Posts |
Posted - Jul 28 2006 : 12:35:51 PM
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Hi
Is there any one from Karachi who has CIA prep material or CD? |
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mubina
Unregistered Trainee
17 Posts |
Posted - Sep 01 2006 : 7:36:07 PM
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AOA
Salam to everyone, I have been reading these forums for quite some time now, and see all the difficulties that everyone is going through. I suggest you check out this site, so that you can see how many people have advice for you that is suitable, also this iste is very good for getting information on reports about accounting!
http://www.feeree.com/pages/accounting |
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retroactive
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 9:52:36 PM
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| Would a person having more than 3 years internal audit experience and a CA Foundation (and not having a graduation degree) be able to register for the CIA exams? |
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Pracs
Partner
United Kingdom
1542 Posts |
Posted - Oct 16 2006 : 10:24:52 PM
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Retro,
I suggest you contact the local chapters of IIA, there is one in Lahore and Karachi. They can advise you at best how to go about it. Not having the graduation degree could be a bottle neck but there is no harm in trying. |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 11:42:35 AM
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CA foundation is Ok to getting registered for Certified Internal Auditor examination. You can contact local office(s) near you to confirm it. You have reasonable time to resolve this matter with IIA Inc. if there is any bottleneck due to not having graduation, for May 2007 exam session.
Regards,
INA |
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nawadhwania
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Dec 14 2006 : 12:41:57 PM
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Dear INA
I had read your answer regarding so many questions & I impressed would you plz give me the No. of Huma Pasha of CIA Karachi Chapter head. I also need the way of study which will help me for getting the certification also books refer for study. I have already more than 8 years experience in Accounts. I am waiting your urgent reply. |
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nawadhwania
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
6 Posts |
Posted - Dec 14 2006 : 1:06:38 PM
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Dear INA
I wish to know about the study material of CIA exam preparation, tel me just one recommended book of CIA who covers whole of the literature of CIA exam ( part 1 to 4th paperz).
so again waiting ur response.
REGARDS:
Noor Ali |
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nawadhwania
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
6 Posts |
Posted - Dec 15 2006 : 09:38:30 AM
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Plz anybody tell me the name and address of CIA Coaching centre in Karachi. Its urgent
Regards,
Noor Ali |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Dec 25 2006 : 2:26:33 PM
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Hello Noor,
I've seen on some forum that PIA training institute at Karachi has launched coaching classes for CIA examination.
Regards,
INA |
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ina
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
44 Posts |
Posted - Dec 25 2006 : 2:41:06 PM
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Dear Noor,
I am really sorry that I could not reply you due to extremely busy work schedule.
Contact details of IIA Karachi Chapter is available at http://www.iiap.org.pk/. It is good that you have experience in accounting. In order to pass the exam you can study Gleim's CIA review which is one book per part. Sawyers book on internal audit may cover all four parts in a single book but it is too voulumous and I am afraid that your efforts would be gone astray. You will appear probably appear in your exam in May 2007 so you have enough time if you give two hours per subject in a day from now. I again recommend you to study Gleim's CIA review book (and CD if available). Rest assured
Regards,
INA |
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