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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
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 Posted - Aug 10 2003 : 01:16:29 AM
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Hi. anyone pursuing the CISA qalification. Please contact
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 10 2003 : 03:35:59 AM
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Hi Usman
I have given the CISA June 2003 attempt and am waiting for the result. What about u?
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 11 2003 : 5:12:50 PM
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I am a Associate Member, ICAP. Practicing in Lahore. I am preparing to take exam in 2004. Colud you please highlight the study material followed by you. It will be of a great help.
waiting for help.
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 12 2003 : 8:04:19 PM
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Please can any body reply to my request. Because IS audit is the future shape of audit.
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CBPian
Semi Senior
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Posted - Aug 12 2003 : 8:35:04 PM
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Dear Usman
Although I am not pursuing CISA, I think they have a study text which should be followed.
According to my knowledge, it is not a very difficult examination (I did not pursue it for other reasons), you ought to have an understanding of Informations Systems and relevant audit techniques plus CISA ethics standards etc etc.
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CBPian
Semi Senior
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Posted - Aug 12 2003 : 8:36:42 PM
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Dear Usman
Although I am not pursuing CISA, I think they have a study text which should be followed.
According to my knowledge, it is not a very difficult examination (I did not pursue it for other reasons), you ought to have an understanding of Informations Systems and relevant audit techniques plus CISA ethics standards etc etc.
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sumaaan
Moderator
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Posted - Aug 13 2003 : 03:44:10 AM
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Don't have much info about CISA. However, hope this link will help you out.
http://www.isaca.org/isacafx.htm
I'll be glad to know the minimum requirements of it and how exactly is the qualification pursued, by report-submission/exams/etc.
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 13 2003 : 09:34:32 AM
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Hi....
next exam will be in June 2004..... U can get the Study Material i.e photocopy of CISA Review Manual from Karachi, I dont know if any shop in Lahore is catering it. Also, you can also have the CD containing 600 MCQ.
The exam is 4 hours long containing 200 MCQ. You can get the content area list from the website.....75 score is required to pass the exam
Also dowmload the IS Audit standards from the website as they will be useful
See you in June 2004 
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sumaaan
Moderator
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Posted - Aug 13 2003 : 4:59:14 PM
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Hi....
next exam will be in June 2004..... U can get the Study Material i.e photocopy of CISA Review Manual from Karachi, I dont know if any shop in Lahore is catering it. Also, you can also have the CD containing 600 MCQ.
The exam is 4 hours long containing 200 MCQ. You can get the content area list from the website.....75 score is required to pass the exam
Also dowmload the IS Audit standards from the website as they will be useful
See you in June 2004
Thankyou for the information... I hope you can help me out with some more queries.
What are the minimum requirements and what future prospects does CISA hold?
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 13 2003 : 7:52:25 PM
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CISA is recognized worldwide, by all industries, as
the preferred designation for IS audit, control and security professionals.
Monetary aspects: If we consider Middle East (as most of CA end up there).....CISA is getting 12-15k at the minimum.....
In paksitan, there is not much scope, as companies have yet to explore the idea of CISA.
As CPbian said that its not a very tough exam. Perhaps true....but passing exam is not very much that counts, to become a CISA (thatz getting a Certification), one has to complete 5 years of Computer Audit experience...... Our qualification and experience (CA) will qualify for 2/3 years..... and getting the remaining experience in Pakistan is a tough question indeed.
Min requirements..... Bachelors Degree....
Areas of study as under:
Process-based Area
The IS Audit Process—Conduct IS audits in accordance with generally accepted IS audit standards and guidelines to ensure
that the organization’s information technology and business systems are adequately controlled, monitored and assessed.
Content Areas
1-Management, Planning and Organization of IS—Evaluate the strategy, policies, standards, procedures and related practices
for the management, planning and organization of IS.
2-Technical Infrastructure and Operational Practices—Evaluate the effectiveness and efficiency of the organization’s
implementation and ongoing management of technical and operational infrastructure to ensure that they adequately support
the organization’s business objectives.
3-Protection of Information Assets—Evaluate the logical, environmental and IT infrastructure security to ensure that it satisfies
the organization’s business requirements for safeguarding information assets against unauthorized use, disclosure,
modification, damage or loss.
4-Disaster Recovery and Business Continuity—Evaluate the process for developing and maintaining documented, communicated
and tested plans for continuity of business operations and IS processing in the event of a disruption.
5-Business Application System Development, Acquisition, Implementation and Maintenance—Evaluate the methodology and
processes by which the business application system development, acquisition, implementation and maintenance are
undertaken to ensure that they meet the organization’s business objectives.
6-Business Process Evaluation and Risk Management—Evaluate business systems and processes to ensure that risks are
managed in accordance with the organization’s business objectives.
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 13 2003 : 7:54:48 PM
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Bowman is right about the study material. One might also try out books from indian writers like Rao which help one out in preparation for the exam, although i myself prepared by reading from the manual, the standards and the CD, alongwith taking a few classes held by the CISA Karachi chapter.
CISA is a very useful complimentary qualification to have, ie. it is the specialization in an area of audit which is seeing rapid growth and technological advancements these days. Companies in Pakistan which have a medium to large IT environment have begun to realise the need to have information security specialists who can critically identify, analyse and recommend solutions to IS threats affecting both the physical and logical IS infrastructure.
The requirements for CISA are not stringent. Anybody can sit in its exam after due preparation. But for its membership, ISACA requires atleast 5 years of experience in IS audit environement. Although the exam consists of MCQ type questions, but it is quite difficult and the minimum passing criteria is set at 75%. I would recommend atleast 5-6 months of proper preparation before sitting in the CISA exam.
I have sent also an email to Hussein Haji, the conveynor of the CISA Pakistan chapter, who might join this forum and will answer to your queries in detail.
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 14 2003 : 07:34:04 AM
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hi Bowman and all other guys thank for contributing.
Bowman, thanks for information on study material, is the CD also available in Pakistan relating to MCQ, for exam preparation.
Can u email the address from where i can get the study material plus CD.
Thanx
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
184 Posts |
Posted - Aug 14 2003 : 10:57:53 AM
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if u r a member of any of the following yahoogroups, you can access both CD and standards from their yahoogroup website under the files section:
FCA
KPMG Dudes
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sumaaan
Moderator
472 Posts |
Posted - Aug 15 2003 : 12:31:24 AM
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Thankyou for clarifying doubts and providing good information.
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
44 Posts |
Posted - Aug 17 2003 : 07:50:42 AM
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Hi BOWMAN
You forgot to mention the yahoo group list , please also mention the location of files section from where we can assess the CD.
Usman
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sumaaan
Moderator
472 Posts |
Posted - Aug 17 2003 : 4:07:05 PM
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Hi BOWMAN
You forgot to mention the yahoo group list , please also mention the location of files section from where we can assess the CD.
Usman
I guess what Bowman meant was if you join the yahoo groups FCA and KPMG Dudes, you will get access to the CD material from the groups own Files section.
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
184 Posts |
Posted - Aug 17 2003 : 7:43:42 PM
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Right between the eyes ...... Bulls eye 
Are you also practising with the bow?
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
44 Posts |
Posted - Aug 19 2003 : 10:22:20 AM
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Any one interested in establishinh ISACA Lahore Chapter.
Please Reply
Usman
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
184 Posts |
Posted - Aug 21 2003 : 09:39:20 AM
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Any one interested in establishinh ISACA Lahore Chapter.
Please Reply
Usman
I am...
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
184 Posts |
Posted - Aug 21 2003 : 09:42:24 AM
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Guybrush, what was your result of CISA...... do let us know..
Prayers with you....
BTW.....did you completed ur articles from KPMG??
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Aug 21 2003 : 3:50:33 PM
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I am already in contact with ISACA for establishing Lahore Chapter and also a test centre at lahore. If any one interested in such a cause mail your consent to "certification@isaca.org"
Thanks
Usman
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 21 2003 : 7:08:39 PM
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Hehehe Bow.... I don't find the 'himmat' to ask for the result thru email . I am thinking of waiting for the actual letter to arrive.
No i wasnt in KPMG.
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
693 Posts |
Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 1:04:10 PM
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Just received the result and by the grace of God and through the prayers of all my well-wishers, i have passed the CISA exam.
Did anybody else appear in the exam? Please let me know about your result.
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
184 Posts |
Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 6:49:14 PM
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CONGRATZ......... 
Though only Le Chuck is angry and says.."Its days like this that makes you glad to be Dead"  
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sumaaan
Moderator
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Posted - Aug 23 2003 : 7:38:31 PM
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Just received the result and by the grace of God and through the prayers of all my well-wishers, i have passed the CISA exam.
Did anybody else appear in the exam? Please let me know about your result.
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Mashallah and Congrats!!!
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smraza
Manager
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 24 2003 : 01:24:05 AM
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Congrats guybrush, we are very glad about your result, what abt ur future plans??? would like to share with us, if u dont then never mind.
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
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Posted - Aug 25 2003 : 8:00:11 PM
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Thnx a lot everybody for these nice wishes!
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Though only Le Chuck is angry and says.."Its days like this that makes you glad to be Dead"
Tell LeChuck that Guybrush is free now, has completed the voodoo doll (although cant seem to find the voodoo pins), wooed the governor, won the grog-swilling contest, put Stan out of business yet again, and is now coming to get him and all his booty. 
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Congrats guybrush, we are very glad about your result, what abt ur future plans??? would like to share with us, if u dont then never mind.
Plans? Six wives, 36 kids, 2 divorces, 12 parents-in-law, 3 crores in Haq-mehar, 7 bungalows in each continent, getting richer than Bill Gates, buying off PwC and E&Y and selling them off to Sandhu & Co, getting nobel peace prize, hair transplant, giving my body to scientific research, eradication of environmental pollutants, writing a best-selling autobiography, making an epic movie....... hmmm i just realized that life's too short and i am wasting my precious time typing dumb messages on this messageboard! I am off to climb the everest... wait, its already been done.. hell.. then off to some unknown adventure!
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smraza
Manager
Pakistan
852 Posts |
Posted - Aug 26 2003 : 12:26:02 AM
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Hey guybrush, what are going to do when u will become richer than Bill gates, as your planning is going to stop right at this place bcaz i m not gonna sell PWC and E&Y
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
44 Posts |
Posted - Sep 03 2003 : 08:51:49 AM
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Any one elae got the CISA result.
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
184 Posts |
Posted - Sep 03 2003 : 09:28:01 AM
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Two of my friends did....
One has 68% and the other 73%...
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
44 Posts |
Posted - Sep 04 2003 : 3:26:32 PM
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Can U refer them to login here to share their experience with us
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smraza
Manager
Pakistan
852 Posts |
Posted - Sep 04 2003 : 3:29:10 PM
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nice suggestion bowman, we all welcome them
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
184 Posts |
Posted - Sep 11 2003 : 6:59:10 PM
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Hi.... SMR (in banks...SMR = Standard Markup Rate)
That wasnt my suggestion.... i am passing your thanks to Usman Zubair....
Zubair...I received an email from ISACA asking for a suitable test location at Lahore, which ISACA will forward to their testing agency for further processing... I have given them details of ICAP.....
Lets keep the fingers crossed that for 2004, they made a centre at lahore
Cheers
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smraza
Manager
Pakistan
852 Posts |
Posted - Sep 11 2003 : 9:59:42 PM
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Hi bowman
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Hi.... SMR (in banks...SMR = Standard Markup Rate)
I m happy that i m up to standard of the bank.
S M R |
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
44 Posts |
Posted - Sep 21 2003 : 12:25:02 PM
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Hi anyone got the CISA 2003 CD. Please reply I need It. Or I can share the cost with him
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
693 Posts |
Posted - Sep 22 2003 : 12:12:52 AM
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Contact Petiwala Book Corporation for the CD and its price.
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
693 Posts |
Posted - Sep 22 2003 : 12:14:43 AM
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Btw.... if you have the old CD, it would do just fine for most of the topics in the course outline, except for a few topics in the fourth and the seventh module.
I myself did my practice from the 2002 version of the CD.
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faisee
Unregistered Trainee
Pakistan
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Posted - Sep 23 2003 : 1:57:15 PM
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I am CISA and looking for a Job.
Can any body help me?
Thks & Rgds.
FAISAL
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Sep 25 2003 : 08:59:02 AM
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Hi don't tell me ! Do CISA qualified find a job like CA,s do. Is it so comman to find a CISA .
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Sep 26 2003 : 09:07:29 AM
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Contact Petiwala Book Corporation for the CD and its price.
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Arrrgh... it sure's gonna be mighty rough sailin' today ... mates!
Hay! can you please give the address and Tel:phone numbers of Petiwala Book Corporation Because I am in Lahore.
Thanks
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
44 Posts |
Posted - Sep 27 2003 : 09:32:47 AM
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Btw.... if you have the old CD, it would do just fine for most of the topics in the course outline, except for a few topics in the fourth and the seventh module.
I myself did my practice from the 2002 version of the CD.
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Any information about change in the exam areas for 2004 attempt
Usman
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netphobia2001
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Oct 01 2003 : 3:16:19 PM
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Salaam
I am new to this forum and did read all the previous posts regarding CISA.
uptil now this is what I could gather.
requirements are a bachelor degree ,5 year experience as an IT auditor and an examination which is to be held in June 2004.
my questions are:
1: Will taking the exam be of any importance to anyone with a fresh BCS degree as myself or should I wait till I get the required experience so I can get the certification?
2: Is it advisable to study for CISA on a self study basis or is there an "institute" which can assist in the preparation?
3: The only materials which we need is the manual and possibly the CD.
4: To start a career in IT auditing anything else which you guys recommend regarding any additional courses to take and the companies I should focus on.
waiting for replies.
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
693 Posts |
Posted - Oct 01 2003 : 8:33:21 PM
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Hi phobia
Point to point answers to your queries:
1. In a place like Pakistan, where IS auditing is still fresh and there arent many professionals around, even the passing of the exams without much experience counts. I would recommend that you go for the exams and then seek out a job in a firm which has an IS Risk Management Department.
2. Mostly self-study but if you live in Karachi, then u can attend a course carried out by CISA Karachi Chapter, which will next start in January or February of 2004. I myself attended that course and found it to be pretty helpful.
3. Manual is helpful for those ppl who have a background in IT and Information Systems. Basically it is a refresher manual of what you know on this subject and covers a vast area of study. According to ISACA, the manual should not be thought of as the only source nor should it be viewed as a comprehensive collection of all information and experience that is required in order to pass the exam.
A candidiate should also have good knowledge of ISACA IS Auditing Standards and some knowledge of Auditing as a whole. Other than these standards, a thorough review of COBIT is recommended for candidates preparing for the exams, although it is not specifically tested in the CISA exam.
The CD is good tool for testing one's knowledge and for practice purposes.
4. First of all, CISA is not just IT Auditing, it is IS Auditing which ofcourse as you mustve already known (coming from a BCS background), covers a much larger area. Since you are from a BCS background, the technical areas of the CISA course shouldnt be too much difficult for you to grasp. Therefore, the areas concerning Auditing theory and practice will need you extra attention.
Since i come from an auditing background (I am a CA), the situation was totally opposite for me and I had to focus on the technical areas of the courser rather than the Auditing areas.
Hope that these answers helped.
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netphobia2001
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Oct 03 2003 : 12:08:49 PM
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Really appreciate the quick reply.
Yes they were extremely helpful.
For studying about auditing ,I will have to get some help right?.But what about IS audting standards and COBIT,where will I find information on them?
Thanks again.
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
693 Posts |
Posted - Oct 03 2003 : 7:39:22 PM
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Try ISACA's website at http://www.isaca.org
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
44 Posts |
Posted - Oct 28 2003 : 07:30:39 AM
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Any more contribution for locally available books & study material.
Usman
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Bowman
Semi Senior
Pakistan
184 Posts |
Posted - Nov 04 2003 : 11:08:43 AM
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Hi
Guybrush/Usman Zubair (especially)
Any idea whether CISA Review Manual 2004 and its CD is available!
or which is the latest edition available at karachi or Lahore, and where??
Though I do have a copy of 2002 Manual with me..
And Guybrush, whatz the job situation for a CA with CISA qualification in Pakistan and Middle East....salary range etc..any ideas?
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Usman Zubair
Unregistered Trainee
44 Posts |
Posted - Nov 05 2003 : 07:52:25 AM
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Hi. Thanks for your reply.
I have 2003 mannual and 2002 CD, This is the situation at Lahore Though I have checked the Karachi Market through a rep. a friend at Patiwala Book Corporation, i found only 2003 manual.
What about you. I have learned through a friend that SRV books are also available but couldn,t find any any idea.
Please update me regarding your findings. I am very seriours for appearing in 2004 June attempt.
Thanks
Usman
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sumaaan
Moderator
472 Posts |
Posted - Nov 05 2003 : 8:46:17 PM
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Hi. Thanks for your reply.
I have 2003 mannual and 2002 CD, This is the situation at Lahore Though I have checked the Karachi Market through a rep. a friend at Patiwala Book Corporation, i found only 2003 manual.
What about you. I have learned through a friend that SRV books are also available but couldn,t find any any idea.
Please update me regarding your findings. I am very seriours for appearing in 2004 June attempt.
Thanks
Usman
In Karachi, if you can, check out this new shop:
Al Jamia Book House
62 Noman Center, Block F-5, Gulshan-e-Iqbal
4960904, 03332249877
Its on the backside of the NIPA Mr.Burger, near Gulshan KFC.
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jen_23
Unregistered Trainee
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Posted - Nov 15 2003 : 6:00:43 PM
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I have a degree in IT. Will taking ACCA help me in IS Auditing or i have to take CISA.
CISA is not very demanded in my country - Malaysia.. that's why i'm confused.
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jbladeus
Manager
Pakistan
693 Posts |
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 7:05:14 PM
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Hi Jen
ACCA would be a totally different line for you. Its a qualification related to the field of finance. From your post, it seems that you want to excel in the field of IS Audit. CISA is one of the premier qualifications in the field of IS audit and control. It would most certainly compliment your IT degree on your CV.
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