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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  09:40:14 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
See the folloving video Mr. Zaid Hamid is ESCAPING without giving the answer of questions raised by the ulemas of Almi Majlise Tahafuze Khatme Nabuwat Pakistan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaNN_5-t6xA&feature=related

Edited by - awaisaftab on Mar 04 2010 09:42:09 AM

padphoosilimdakar
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  10:43:44 AM  Show Profile
Yeh Zaid Hamid Muslim hai ya Qadiyani(Ahmadi)?
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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  11:29:16 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message

Dear to get full information about Zaid Hamid See the following links.



http://www.scribd.com/doc/23672211/Zaid-Hamid-s-past-present-a-research-work

http://www.azzab.com/172/reality-of-zaid-hamid/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUyshh4G-QU

Yousaf Kazab was a person who claimed of prophethood in 90's
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Greatkhans
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  9:18:20 PM  Show Profile
Hi Everyone,

For the purpose of clarity I have to inform you that Zaid Hamid (Qadiyani Ahmadi,) is not this Zaid Hamid. Just thinking someone non-Muslim just because of resemblance of name is unjustified. We may disagree with the opinion of someone but we don’t have a right to issue certificate of Kufr-o-Ilhad. For God sack stop this nonsense now.

Giving verdict about someone, without giving him an opportunity of being heard, is totally unjustified. I enjoyed this fish market. If this is the condition of our so called Ulema, then we should not complaint from people who are burning other people alive.

May Allah guide us,

Regards,
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Toronto_Boy
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  9:51:46 PM  Show Profile
Kia yaar, afsos sad afsos

Awais Bhai, aap achay khasay parhay likhay banday ho aur samjh bhi rakhtay ho. Kisi musalman kay baray main bina tahqiq iss tarha ki baat ko aagay barhana kia buhtaan tarazi nahi hay?

Aap nay achay khasay links laga dyay. Main nay pahlay link par hi youtube par click kia aur Zaid Hamid ka ya interview clip aaraha hay. Ab aap issay suno aur batao kay kisi ki zaban say khulay iqrar kay baad bhi ussay non-muslim kahnay ya oskay baray main aaysi negative links laganay ki Islam main kia saza hay.

Maaf karna bhai, magar aik hadees kay alfaaz main aadmi kay jhota honay kayliay itna hi kafi hay kay wo bina tahqiq baat ko aagay barha day (I forgot exact words).

Pahlay aapnay aik hadees likhi thi, aur phir wapas lay li. Ab aik sakhs jo khul kar Khatim un Nabeen ka iqrar karraha hay oskay baray main iss tarha kay links bina tahqiq??

Pl. see following link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvlTCt6Kxzo&feature=related

Afsos sad afsos...

Hamari sab say bari (big) mushkil yah hay kay har sakhs ko doosray kay Islam ki buhat fikar hay.

Thik hi to har taraf say maar par rahi hay hamain. Aur khud hamaray ander jo sab say baray musalmaan hain wo baqi munafiqeen kay har roz galay kaat rahay hain.

Kia yaar. Kia log hain ham bhi.
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Toronto_Boy
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  9:56:25 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Greatkhans


Giving verdict about someone, without giving him an opportunity of being heard, is totally unjustified.



Respected Greatkhans and others

On the same youtube link that Awais provided above, I have found following link too, in which this Zaid Hamid is openly accepting our last Prophet (SAW) as last Prophet.

So, now what is the punishment of this biggest "buhtan"??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvlTCt6Kxzo&feature=related

Regards


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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  9:57:37 PM  Show Profile
Zaid Hamid is emotionally disturbed man and lives in a state of over excitement. I (personally) feel him affected by some disorder. I know lots of people are inspired of his exciting but baseless or at least aimless speeches.

As far as our so-called "Ulema" are concerned, GreatKhan's words "fish market" are quite suited to their condition currently.

Regards,

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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  10:10:13 PM  Show Profile
There was a time when muslims were striving to convert others to Islam.

Now we always keep looking how some one can be kicked out of this Islamic circle.

Result is so clear as some one explained keh hamein har jaga kyun maar par rahi hai.

The one who declares a muslim as non-muslim is sort of "munaafiq" by his-self.

Hazrat Ali Karam-Allah wajho killed a kaafir who read Kalma right when the sord was at his neck, considering and believing that Kafir read the Kalma merely to save his life and not with the faith. Prophet PBUH when came to know said, no one who says KALMA should be considered kaafir/non-muslim (and killed) since we cannot see inside some one's heart. (Mafhoom and not exact words).


People can be wrong and we may be criticisng them; but crossing such a limit is ridiculous.

Regards,
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Toronto_Boy
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  10:40:37 PM  Show Profile
Dears

I don't know this person Zaid Hamid. I just saw some of his programs on TV, youtube, or websites. With all my limited knowledge, I got the impression that he is quite reckless and overly ambitious person, may not be suitable for position of responsibilities.

However, I am quite pissed off at general habit of our masses to place tags (generally qadyani tag) on opponents. We are very eager to ask and find about everyone else's religion and soon put "fatwa-e-kufar" even on people who openly accept our Prophet (PBUH) as last Prophet.

Alas!

Edited by - Toronto_Boy on Mar 04 2010 10:42:57 PM
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shani420
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 :  11:02:51 PM  Show Profile
Brothers,
Who was or is this "Yousuf kazzab"?(I am not talking about Zaid Hamid or his so-called asociation with Yousuf).
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Greatkhans
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  04:46:50 AM  Show Profile
Hi Kamran,

These are your excellent remarks which truly represent our condition:

quote:
Originally posted by kamranACA

There was a time when muslims were striving to convert others to Islam.

Now we always keep looking how some one can be kicked out of this Islamic circle.




Regards,

GREAT KHANS
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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  10:21:39 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
Dear All

Unfortunately we always disregard ulemas of our religion. Yeh ulema hi hain jin ki waja se hum aj musalman hain in boriya nashinon ne har jaga aur har ilaqe main deen ki shama jala k rakhi huye ha.Allama Iqbal Jab spain se ho ker wapis watan aye to unhon ne kha k ae hindostan k musalmanon in ghareeb musalmano k bacho ko deen ki taleem hasil kerne do inko in k hal pe chore do ager yeh mulla na raha to jante ho kia ho ga jo hoga wo main apni ankho se dekh ker aya hun. Jis trah Spain main sirf qurtaba aur alhamrah musalmanon ki nishanian baqi reh gaye hain hindustan main bhi sirf lal qila aur Qutub Minar hi muslamanon ki nishanian reh jain gi.

Qudurat ullah Shab ne shab name main baree achi batain likhi hain wo likhtay hain yakh basta sard raton main razayeeon main lipte ijsam ko kabhi is bat pe herat nhn huye k sakht sardi main itni pabandi se fajir ki azan aur namaz kis trah ho jati hai. Garmion ki chalchalati garmion main khas ki tatian laga ker bhetne wale yeh bhool gay k sakht garmi aur chalchalati dhoop main kon itni pabandi se azan aur namaz ka intizam kerta ha. Yeh Mullah hi ha jis ne khaeen deen ki shamma, khaeen dia aur khaeen ek chingaree jala ker rakhi huyee ha.(There may be a difference of words in above quotations of Allama Iqbal and Qudarat Ullah shab because I have no written quotation right now)

Ulemah k bare main sun lain yehi Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) k gulshan k phool hain. Inhi k dam se aj hum musalman hain. In logon ne uloome qurania aur uloome nabuwat ko apne seenon main basaya.

Let us come on real discussion. Zaid Hamid has influenced a large number of youngsters. He got popularity from his TV program which went on air from TV One or News One. When some objections were raised that he was a very active follower of Yousaf Kazzab many youngster asked from him about yousaf Kazzab. He replied that Yousaf Kazab was a sufi (this statement he give before youngsters who meet with him at his residence in Chaklala Rawalpindi). Now after very long debate and denying his linkages with Yousaf Kazab he has admitted his relation with yousaf Ali Kazzab.
See the following link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzYmT4cudU&feature=related

@ Toronto Boy

Dear main ne kisi k khilaf kufar o ilhad ka fatwa sadir nhn kia. Kia ap mujh ko bata saktain hain k main ne yeh kidher likha ha k Zaid Hamid Kafir ha ??? ya yeh k wo mulhid ha?? Dear main ne tamam videos dekhne k bad yeh post ki ha in main wo videos bhe shamil hain jo zaid hamid ki support main upload ki gayeen theen.

Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ki ek hadees ha Jis ka mafhoom ha K qayamat k qareeb bare bare fitne namoodar honge in fitne main ek admi subah ko momin ho ga aur sham ko kafir ho ga (Allah Kami Beshi maaf farmay)
Is liay fitnon se hosheyar rehna chaye fatwa dena muftion aur ulema ka kam ha hum main se koyee is bat ka ahal nhn ha

Han mujh se ghalti huyee k main ne ek hadis baghair verification k post ker d imager zaid hamid k upper to Jayeed ulmae ikram ne eitrazat kiay hian .Ager ap ulema ikram ko qabile taqleed ya pervi k laiq nhn samjhte to ek kitab ha” Fitanay yousaf kazab” jo ghalban 1999 main likhi gayee thee yeh ek advocate ne likhi ha Yousaf kazzab k hawale se . Us waqt to koyee Zaid hamid ko janta tak nhn tha. Is kitab main zaid hamid ka nam mutadid jagho pe arha ha.

Ab zaid Hamid sahib Lahore High Court k faisle ko ghalat qarar de rahe hain aur us pe bode aitrazat ker rahe hain aur is faisle ko Judicial Murder qarar de rahe.Qun na in baton ki base per un k upper toheene idalat ka muqadma chalaya jay (waise to idalty faisle k bad us pe eitraz ho sakta ha is pe toheeene idalat ka muqadma nhn ban sakta but zaid hamid superior judiciary k qabile izat judges k khilaf inthayee gandee zuban use ker rahe hein). Ab zaid hamid logon ko qanooni moshigafion main uljhana chata ha

Ager kisi shash k nazriat pe aitraz hota ha aur us k valid evidences bhee mojood hon to us ko chayee k wo apni wazay safayee pesh kare k wo apne mazi k nazriat se taib ho chukka ha aur Allah Tala se apne gunahon pe maufi mang chukka ha. mager zaid Hamid abhi bhe kehte hain k Yousaf Kazzab bohat bara sufi tha. Is ka kia matlab ha.?? Kal ko koyee qadiani uthe ga aur revolutionary thoughts ka parchar ker k kehe ga k Nauzu billah min zalik Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani bohat bara sufi tha. Is surat main hamare pas kia jawab ho ga.???

Point to be noted that Yousaf Kazzab ko saza high court ne sunayee thi Ulamae Ikram ya Federal Shariat Court ne nhn sunayee thee. Yeh high court thi jis ne Yousaf kazab ko jail main qaid kia tha ulemah ne us ko le ja ker Jail main qaid nhn kia tha.

Mazahab ap tamam logon ka niji mamla ha due to my busy schedule I am not able to indulge in any long discussion. Zaid Hamid has admitted his link with yousaf ali Kazab. Is k ilawa har roazz you tube pe ek videio zaid hamid ki support ya mukhalfat main post ki jati ha. Jis ko haqiqat janne ka shouq ha wo you tube pe ja ker apna shouq pura ker sakta ha.

Fitnay Yousaf Kazab Kitab net pe mojood ha

Edited by - awaisaftab on Mar 05 2010 3:23:49 PM
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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  10:49:43 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
@Greatkhan

Dear ap to Karachi main rehte hain Almi Majlise Tahafuze Khatame Nabuwat walon ki ek bohat baree masjid karachi ki kisi main road pe ha shaid sadar k as pas whan ap jain aur apne sawalat ulema k samne rakhain.
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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  11:13:09 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by shani420

Brothers,
Who was or is this "Yousuf kazzab"?(I am not talking about Zaid Hamid or his so-called asociation with Yousuf).




Shani

Yousaf Kazzab ne 90's main nabuwat ka jhoota dawa kia tha. Is waja se us per muqadma chala aur Pakistan K constitution k mutabiq jurm sabit hone per Lahore High Court k ek poore bench ne us ko Sazay Maut sunayee. Zaid Hamid us waqt yousaf kazab k sath sath tha aur har Peshi pe idalat main pesh hota tha. Yousaf Kazab ki family ki hifazat ki zimedari Zaid Hamid ki security company ko sonpy gayee thi. But sazay maut pe amal se phele he ek sachay aashiqe Rasool (SAW) ne jail main yousaf kazab ko qatal ker k Ghazi Alamdin Shaheed ki yaad taza ker di.

Edited by - awaisaftab on Mar 05 2010 1:26:24 PM
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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  11:19:32 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
Abhi tak kisi aalime deen ne zaid hamid k khilaf kufar ka fatwa nhn dia ha balke usse sirf explaination mangi ha
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ACCAite
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  11:23:25 AM  Show Profile
yeh humaree fitrat hai, we will raise fingers at people like Zahid Hamid. Fact is, we need people like him. Just tell me one thing and this question is directed to those who are saying ill things about him, is he spreading anything that shouldnt be? does he want us all to unite and stand up and be aware of things we shouldnt? Asal main with time we will progress towards negativity so a person like Zaid Hamid is bound to be criticized by many, specially our own people who are happy with Zardaris and the likes.
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ACCAite
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  11:26:30 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by kamranACA

Zaid Hamid is emotionally disturbed man and lives in a state of over excitement. I (personally) feel him affected by some disorder. I know lots of people are inspired of his exciting but baseless or at least aimless speeches.

As far as our so-called "Ulema" are concerned, GreatKhan's words "fish market" are quite suited to their condition currently.

Regards,





oh yes we are inspired for sure, i believe most of us have our eyes closed and the truth is just too bitter so we are all in denial and hence the comments as DISORDERS.

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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  11:46:34 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
Phele ye video mulahiza fermalain phir koyee comments pass keriay ga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzYmT4cudU&feature=related

Zaid Hamid accepted his links with Yousaf Kazzab and advocating yousaf kazzab jo ke nabuwat ka jhoota dawedar tha Kia aj hamary ghairate emani mar gayee ha k hum ek essay shaksh ki himayat ker rahe hain jo ek Jhoote Nabuwat K Dawedar ka sathi tha balke abhi bhee uski himayat ker raha ha.Mere bhaion aqeede Khatame Nabuwat pe tamam makatibe fikar k ulema mutahid hain Khudara is masle ko apni ana ka masla na banain . Almi Majlise tahafuze khatame Nabuwat main tamamb firqon k ulema shamil hain ya wo Majlis k programon main shirkat kerte hain. Ghaltian Hum sab se ho sakti hain mujh se bhee ho sakti ha hatta k main ne ek unathentic hadees quote ker di mager ap ne dekha k main ne apnee ghaltee tasleem ker li maulvi lakh bure sahi mager yeh maulvion ka masla nhn yeh mere aur ap k eman ka masla ha.


Yad rakhain Aqeeday Khatme Nabuwat deen ki asas ha hazaron shaba (RAJ)jhote nabion k khilaf jhad kerte huy shaheed hue. Hozoor (SAW) k duniya se perda farmane k bad bohat se logon ne nabuwat ka jhoota dawa kia. Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddiq (R.A) ne in KAZIBEEN k khilaf jhad kia.

Edited by - awaisaftab on Mar 05 2010 1:22:06 PM
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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  1:49:39 PM  Show Profile
Dears

Zaid may not be saying wrong things but his state of mind is not correct. Saddam Hussain, when used to talk against USA was not doing incorrect things but uski state of mind nay pooray Iraq kay muslims ke lutya he dabo daali.

So, do listen him and get inspiration but judge every thing with your own mind to refine the things and arrive at what is practical and what is not.

Regards,

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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  2:16:28 PM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
See the link

http://www.scribd.com/doc/27862534/Judgement-of-Yousuf-Kazzab-Blasphemy
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Muhammad Amir
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  10:44:30 PM  Show Profile  Visit Muhammad Amir's Homepage  Send Muhammad Amir a Yahoo! Message
Syed zaid zaman hamid is the current Imam of Ummah. Every muslim should prepare himself for Ghazwatul Hind and this man will be the one who will lead forces that will conquer India.

Watch this lecture of Hazrat Ameer Muhammad Akram Awan (Khalifah of Hazrat Allah Yar Khan - Naqshbandi Owaisi[R.A]).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtAwcnaDVZc


GHAZWA-E-HIND THE FINAL SHOWDOWN

www.ghazwatulhind.com

http://loungeofamir.blogspot.com/2009/10/ghazwa-e-hind-final-showdown.html

http://loungeofamir.blogspot.com/2009/10/akhand-pakistan.html

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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 :  11:41:39 PM  Show Profile
:)

People can figure out why I mentioned the name of Saddam!

BTW now we are used to read/listen such comec things. I hope it will take too long to rescind Ghazva (Naoozbillah) against our own selves initiated by us. Doosron ke fikar baad main karein gey.

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Kamran.
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MRS
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 :  12:46:36 AM  Show Profile  Send MRS an AOL message
quote:
Originally posted by kamranACA

:)

People can figure out why I mentioned the name of Saddam!

BTW now we are used to read/listen such comec things. I hope it will take too long to rescind Ghazva (Naoozbillah) against our own selves initiated by us. Doosron ke fikar baad main karein gey.

Regards,
Kamran.



Agreed 100%

No one has right to pass judgement on someones faith its between allah and that individual.

with due respect to all members when ever i hear zaid hamid i cannot stop laughing . it is unbelievable that we have these kind of people who are dreaming of conquering other areas where as their own back yard is on fire.

Wake up guys, its a new world now.

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Greatkhans
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 :  08:26:27 AM  Show Profile
Hi Awais,

I read the book and I have so many concerns that if I write , it gonna take a day. Watch this video impartially again over again and listen what he is saying. You would find your answers.


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GREAT KHANS
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 :  09:34:29 AM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by Greatkhans

Hi Awais,

I read the book and I have so many concerns that if I write , it gonna take a day. Watch this video impartially again over again and listen what he is saying. You would find your answers.


Regards,

GREAT KHANS




Hi Great Khan

Umeed ha ap eman ki behtreen halat main honge.
Hazrat kuch din phele apne Seyed Maududi (R.A)Ki kitab ka hawal dia tha kitab ka naam tha "sunnat ki Aini Hesiyat". Is se mujh ko andaza huwa k ap ne Maududi (R.A) ki bohat sari kitabon ka mutala kia ha. Ap farma chuke hain k ap ghalban 1998 main kisi top financial position pe the us zamane main to mera Matric bhee nhn huwa tha. Ap ki theriron se andaza hota ha k ap ek wasee ul mutala shakhs hain.Jab k main ap k muqable main bohat junior hun.

Ap ne yaqinan qadianiat k khilaf threek k bare main bohat kuch parha hoga. Muqadma bhawalpur ka zikar bhe suna ho ga Jis main Hazrat Mualan Anwar shah Kashmiri (RA) idalat main khud pesh huye. Us case k bare main bhe suna hoga jis main Maulana Atta Ullah Shah Bkhari (R.A) Justice Kiyani ki idalat main pesh hue.

Apne zikar kia tha ek dafa k Maulana Maududi (R.A) ko Maslay Qadiyaniat likhe ki waja se maut ki saza huyee thi.

In baaton se qatay nazar ulema aur maulana maududi (R.A) qadiyanion ka kuch nhn bigar sake

Ab atay hain us waqay ki traf jis waqay se qadiyaniat k taboot main aakhri keel thuki. Waqaya yeh huwa k Punjab University k students ek tour pe ja rahe thay. Train Jub RUBWAH station pe ruki to IJT k karkun station pe uter ae aur unhon ne "Rehbar o rehnuma Mustafa Mustaf aur Khatimul Ambia Mustafa Mustafa "k pur josh nare laga ker station ko ser pe utha lia. Beherhal thori dair main wo log chalay gay. Is zamane main Rabwa main qadiani bohat strong the un ki ek deshat gard musallah tanzeem bhee the Al-Furqan k nam se. Is waqay k bad qadiyanion k khalifa ne us waqt k Prime Minister ko phone kia aur sari suratehal batayee aur apne shadid guse ka izhar kia. Prime Minister Sahib ne us qadiani ki dil joyee ki aur kha k "wapsi per un larkon ki Tange TOR DENA". Wapsi per jab train rabwa station per ruki to musallah qadiyani ghundon ne train pe hamla ker k bohat se talba ko buri trah zakhmi ker dia. Is k bad Hazrat Maududi ki jamat k karkun saron pe kafun bandh ker roadon pe nikal aye sath hi Almi Majlis Thafuze Khatme Nabuwat wale bhee un k sath mil gay. Us k bad doosre firqe aru tablighi jamaat bhee anti qadiani movement main shamil hogayee aur hukumat ko waqt per gaya. Aage ki tafseel se ap bakhoobi waqif hain.

Zaid Hamid k case main bhee waqiat kuch isi sequence main ro numa hue. Huwa yeh k zaid Hamid IJT ka karkun reh chuka tha jab wo Karachi ki NED University ka student tha. TV pe us k programs dekh ker Jamiat aur Jammat-e-Islami k log Aalmi Majlise Tahafuze Khatme Nabuwat k ulema k pas phonch gay aur gawahian( Evidences) din k ye wohi shaks ha jo YOUSUF Kazzzab ka mureed tha aur yeh k yeh wo zaid hamid ko achi trah jante hain qn k yeh JI aur IJT se wabista reh chuka ha.

Mere bhayee ap karachi main rehaish pazeer hain whan se do mashoor akhbar nikaltain hain "JISARAT" aur "Umat" . Jisarat Maududi sahab ki jamaat ka akhbar ha is main zaid hamid k khilaf beshumar mazmoon publish hue ap un mazamin ka mutalla farma sakte hain.

ek link main yahan de raha hun jis pe ap Jisarat k ek article ka jo zaid hamid k khilaf tha mutala farma sakte hain

http://www.makepakistanbetter.com/Why_how_what_forumU.asp?GroupID=11&ArticleID=6335

Jzakallah

Edited by - awaisaftab on Mar 06 2010 12:33:59 PM
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Greatkhans
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 :  11:11:00 AM  Show Profile
Piyaray Awais Bhai,

Main apkay mutalay ka ahtram karta hoon. Pehlay tashi kardoon kay main nay 1988 ki baat ki thi. Mujh per Allah ka aaj bhi bohat karam hai. Main khud numai pasand nahi karta lihaza apnay baray main bila zaroorat nahi likhta. Aur nahi bila zaroorat logoon say ulajhta hoon.

Yaqenan manay Molana ki tamam kutub ka mutalah kiya hua hai us kay ilawa mainay classic Islamic literature ka bhi mutalah ki hua hay. Us ki bina par main ye kah raha hoon kay aik alim-e-din koa mudabir, mufakir aur tahmul pasand hona chaiyae nakay jazbati. Agar koi shakhs maray samnay yae kahta hay kay wo musalman hay aur Aik Allha, Rasool, Khatam-e-nabowat, (Eman-e-Mufasil) per yaqeen rakhta hay to main us ko challenge nahi karoon ga kiyoon kay Allah sab say bahtar ilm rakhnay wala hay. Yae hi baat Zaid hamid kah raha hay. Har shakhs ko apna difa karnay ka pura haq hasil hona chahiyae. Ab main ap ko aik waqiya sunata hoon.

Rao Farman Ali apni kitab main likhta hay. Jab Z.A Bhutto ko phansi ki saza hui too tamam mamalik kay sarbrahan nai raham ki appeal ki. Indra Gandhi nay Zia ko phone kiya aur darkhast ki kay Bhutto ki saza ko umer qaid main tabdeel kar diya jay. Zia nay jawab main kaha kah hum apni ala adalatoon kay fasaloon ka ahtaram kartay hain, Indra nay kaha kah Mr. Zia main bohat achhi tarhan say waqif hoon kah Indo-Pak main adalatoon kay fasalay kis tarhan say hotay hain. Zia is kaha kah jub ap yae janti hain to kiya ap chahti hain kah wo phansi ka phanda main apnay galay main dal loon?

Molana Maududi ki saza bhi Pakistan ki aik adalat hi nay di thi. Yani fasala apki marzi ka hai to drust hay aur apkay khilaf hay to ghalat hay. Yae mantiq nahi chal sakti.

Ab aiyae, Zia Shahid ki taraf. In ki sural waloon say maray gharwaloon kay 50 sallon say talooqat hain. Wo kitnay sharif hain main bohat achhi tarhan say janta hoon. Is forum per kuchh likh nahi sakta. Ab Aiyae Umat Akhbar ki taraf. Main 1995 main Pakistan ki sab say bari distribution company ka Director Finance tha. aik din maray pas phone aya kay ap Rs.200,000.00 ka chque bhijwadain ap ki company ka ishtahar kal chap raha hay. Yae phone UMAT Akhbar say aya tha. Main nay pucha kay bhai ishtahar ham nay to nahi diya. Agar Apnay cheque nahi bhijwaya to kal say ap ki company kay khilaf khabrain lagni shuroo hou jain gyi. Mainay us say kaha kah jo karna hai kar loo main cheque nahi bhajoonga. Dusray din hamara khilaf khabar lag gai. Main nay UMAT per Sind High Court may Rs. 100 million ka dawa dair kar diya kiyoon kay hamari sari products International Brands thay. Baad main UMAT nay muafi mang li. Ab ap khud andaza kar saktay hain UMAT akhbar ka. Yae suni sunai baat nahi hay ,ara apna tajarba hay.

Bhai maray, agar is tarhan hum har aik ko kafir qarar datay rahay to wohi hoga jo aaj app dekh rahay hain, Shia, Duobandi, baralwi, zikri, Qaidiyani sub aik dusray kha khoon bahatay rahain gay aur tamam masajid wiran ho jaingy. Loog musjid main janay say bhi khoufzada ho jain gay. Muzhabi bardasht aur rawadari say hi hum kisi ko apni baat bahtar toor par samjha saktay hain.

Mujhay umeed hai kay ap samajh gay houngay.


Regards.

GREAT KHANS
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quote:
Originally posted by Greatkhans

Piyaray Awais Bhai,

Main apkay mutalay ka ahtram karta hoon. Pehlay tashi kardoon kay main nay 1988 ki baat ki thi. Mujh per Allah ka aaj bhi bohat karam hai. Main khud numai pasand nahi karta lihaza apnay baray main bila zaroorat nahi likhta. Aur nahi bila zaroorat logoon say ulajhta hoon.

Yaqenan manay Molana ki tamam kutub ka mutalah kiya hua hai us kay ilawa mainay classic Islamic literature ka bhi mutalah ki hua hay. Us ki bina par main ye kah raha hoon kay aik alim-e-din koa mudabir, mufakir aur tahmul pasand hona chaiyae nakay jazbati. Agar koi shakhs maray samnay yae kahta hay kay wo musalman hay aur Aik Allha, Rasool, Khatam-e-nabowat, (Eman-e-Mufasil) per yaqeen rakhta hay to main us ko challenge nahi karoon ga kiyoon kay Allah sab say bahtar ilm rakhnay wala hay. Yae hi baat Zaid hamid kah raha hay. Har shakhs ko apna difa karnay ka pura haq hasil hona chahiyae. Ab main ap ko aik waqiya sunata hoon.

Rao Farman Ali apni kitab main likhta hay. Jab Z.A Bhutto ko phansi ki saza hui too tamam mamalik kay sarbrahan nai raham ki appeal ki. Indra Gandhi nay Zia ko phone kiya aur darkhast ki kay Bhutto ki saza ko umer qaid main tabdeel kar diya jay. Zia nay jawab main kaha kah hum apni ala adalatoon kay fasaloon ka ahtaram kartay hain, Indra nay kaha kah Mr. Zia main bohat achhi tarhan say waqif hoon kah Indo-Pak main adalatoon kay fasalay kis tarhan say hotay hain. Zia is kaha kah jub ap yae janti hain to kiya ap chahti hain kah wo phansi ka phanda main apnay galay main dal loon?

Molana Maududi ki saza bhi Pakistan ki aik adalat hi nay di thi. Yani fasala apki marzi ka hai to drust hay aur apkay khilaf hay to ghalat hay. Yae mantiq nahi chal sakti.

Ab aiyae, Zia Shahid ki taraf. In ki sural waloon say maray gharwaloon kay 50 sallon say talooqat hain. Wo kitnay sharif hain main bohat achhi tarhan say janta hoon. Is forum per kuchh likh nahi sakta. Ab Aiyae Umat Akhbar ki taraf. Main 1995 main Pakistan ki sab say bari distribution company ka Director Finance tha. aik din maray pas phone aya kay ap Rs.200,000.00 ka chque bhijwadain ap ki company ka ishtahar kal chap raha hay. Yae phone UMAT Akhbar say aya tha. Main nay pucha kay bhai ishtahar ham nay to nahi diya. Agar Apnay cheque nahi bhijwaya to kal say ap ki company kay khilaf khabrain lagni shuroo hou jain gyi. Mainay us say kaha kah jo karna hai kar loo main cheque nahi bhajoonga. Dusray din hamara khilaf khabar lag gai. Main nay UMAT per Sind High Court may Rs. 100 million ka dawa dair kar diya kiyoon kay hamari sari products International Brands thay. Baad main UMAT nay muafi mang li. Ab ap khud andaza kar saktay hain UMAT akhbar ka. Yae suni sunai baat nahi hay ,ara apna tajarba hay.

Bhai maray, agar is tarhan hum har aik ko kafir qarar datay rahay to wohi hoga jo aaj app dekh rahay hain, Shia, Duobandi, baralwi, zikri, Qaidiyani sub aik dusray kha khoon bahatay rahain gay aur tamam masajid wiran ho jaingy. Loog musjid main janay say bhi khoufzada ho jain gay. Muzhabi bardasht aur rawadari say hi hum kisi ko apni baat bahtar toor par samjha saktay hain.

Mujhay umeed hai kay ap samajh gay houngay.


Regards.

GREAT KHANS



Greatkhan

Yeh ap k apne khayalat hain main inka ehtram kerta hun.Mager main in se ikhtilaf ka haq rakhta hun.

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quote:
Originally posted by Muhammad Amir

Syed zaid zaman hamid is the current Imam of Ummah. Every muslim should prepare himself for Ghazwatul Hind and this man will be the one who will lead forces that will conquer India.

Watch this lecture of Hazrat Ameer Muhammad Akram Awan (Khalifah of Hazrat Allah Yar Khan - Naqshbandi Owaisi[R.A]).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtAwcnaDVZc


GHAZWA-E-HIND THE FINAL SHOWDOWN

www.ghazwatulhind.com

http://loungeofamir.blogspot.com/2009/10/ghazwa-e-hind-final-showdown.html

http://loungeofamir.blogspot.com/2009/10/akhand-pakistan.html



Muhamad Aamir

Mujh ko yeh jan ker dili khushi mehsoos huye k ap Hazrat Maulana Akram Awan sahib se aqeedat
Rakhte hain. Maulana ek bohat bare sufee hain un k murshid Maulana Allah yar (R.A) ki bohat khidmat hain .Maulana Akram Awan Sufi Silsile “Silsalay Awaisia” se wabista hain. Mera chota bhai un se mil chuka ha. Maulana ki masjid manara main ha. Manara Islamabad se thore hi fasle pe ha. Mera bhayee manarah main 2 din qayam ker k bhee a chukka ha aur Hazrat ki zaat se faiz hasil kia.

Mere Bhai Aamir. Ghazway hind berhaq ha. Kaseer ahadeese nabwia is mouzu pe mojood hain. Mere Nabi ki baat jhooti nhn ho sakti hum ko in baton pe hansna nhn chaye. Ghazway hind berhaq ha. Hazrat shaba ghazway Khandaq main khandaq khod rahe the k ek pathar agay jo toot nhn raha tha APP (S.A.W)ne is pathar pe teen zerbain lagain her zerb pe AAP (S.A.W) Kisi baree saltanat k musalmanon k hathon mustaqbil main fatah ki khushkhabri sunate Ap (SAW) ne room aur iran k fatah ki khushkhabri sunayee in ko sun ker to shaba bhee thore se heran ho gay mager un ko yaqin tha k Hozoor (SAW) se barh ker sahi pesheen goyee ker ne wala duniya main na peda huwa ha na ho ga. Kufar to in fatah ki pesheen goyian sun ker ek doosre se hansi mazaq kernel age k yeh musalman hamare dar aur khof se khandaq khod rahe hain khane ko in k pass ha nhn (Huzoor SAW ne aur sahaba ne khndaqain khodte waqt pait pe pathar bandhe hote thay bhook ki aur faqay ki shidat ki wajah se)aur batain ker rahe hain yeh bari bari super powers k fatah kerne ki. Lekin Chashme Falak ne wo manzar dekha k Room,Iran aur Qaisar O Kasra pe musalmanon ki hukumat qaim hoyee. Inshallah wo din door nhn ha jab Delhi k lal qile pe islam ka subz hilali percham dobara lehray ga. Puri duniya bhee ager yeh kahe k yeh deewane ka khawab ha to bhee main is baat ko manne k liay tayar nhn hoon. Puri duniya ghalat ho sakti ha mager mere Aqa,mere Nabi (SAW) ki baat ghalat nhn ho sakti.

Lekin zaid Hamid pe hum kis taraha bharos ker sakte hain. Ap Hazrat Ameer Maulana Akram Awan (DB) ki yeh video dekhain jis main unhon ne kaha k zaid hamid Yousaf Kazzab ka sathi tha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3Xj4TrzKM

Please see the video


Abu Daud ne Huzoor (S.A.W) ki ek hadees bayan ki ha jis ka mafhoom peshe khidmat ha

“Aap (SAW) ne farmay qayamat k qareeb Tareek Raat k Tukron ki trah Fitne Namoodar Honge In Fitnon main Ek Shaks Subah ko Momin Ho Ga Sham Ko Kafir Ho ga. Sham Ko to Momin Ho ga Mager Subah Ko Kafir Ho ga. (Yeh Hadees ka Mafhoom Ha Allah Kami Beshi Maaf Farmay)

Ek Aur jaga in fitnon k bare main yeh bhee farmaya k ye fitne logon ko apni taraf khench lenge jo inki taraf dekhe ga.
Ek jaga upper quote ki gayee Hadees main yeh izafa bhee ha

“Admi bhot thore mall k peechay apne eman ko bech dega.” (again mafhoom)

Allah ham sab k eman ki hifazat farmay

Ameen

Jazakallah

Awais Aftab


Edited by - awaisaftab on Mar 06 2010 12:27:44 PM
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@Great Khan

Ap ko Qadiayanion ka Zikar musalmanon k firqon k sath nhn kerna chaye tha. Is se koyee ghalat matlab le sakta ha wese bhee qadiani musalman nhn hain. Deobandi, Brelvi, Ahle Tashih, Ahle Hadis sub pakkay thakkay musalman hain.Jo log ek doosre ko kafir qarar dain unki gardanain utar lena chayain.

@All

Islam k daire ko itna bhee wasi na karain k is main Qadiyani,Pervaizi aur Lahori group bhee sama jay. Main Zaid Hamid k reference main nhn keh raha. Zaid Hamid K khilaf koyee fatwa nhn aya ha us se sirf explaination mangi ja rahi ha.

Mera is topic pe long discussion ka koyee irada nhn tha. Mager yeh topic bharta ja rha ha ap tamam logon se guzarish ha k ap log apne tor pe tehqiq karain Zaid Hamid k bare main. Haqiqat ka khud hi pata chal jay ga.Ager kisi ko mujh se koyee sawal kerna ha to wo mujh ko email ker sakta ha. Ager yeh topic mazeed challa to bohat se masle aur ikhtilafat uthainge.
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Its very common in our country to pronounce the verdict of kufer if some one disagrees to your point. My humble request to all be rational and try to see other side of story...
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M.Rizwan

Countering Pakistani terrorists’ anti-India propaganda

By Maulana Waris Mazhari

(Translated from Urdu by Yoginder Sikand)

For almost two decades now, self-styled jihadist outfits based in
Pakistan have been engaged in a war against India in Kashmir. This war
of theirs has no sanction in Islam, which does not allow for proxy
war, and that too one declared by non-state actors. It is an explicit
violation of all Islamic principles. These outfits, which have
considerable support inside Pakistan, see the conflict between India
and Pakistan over Kashmir as a religious struggle, and they wrongly
describe it as a jihad. They regard their role in Kashmir as but the
first step in a grand, though completely fanciful, plan to annex India
into Pakistan and convert it into what they style as dar- ul-islam,
the Abode of Islam. But what they finally dream of establishing, or so
they boast, is Muslim hegemony throughout the entire world.

I have used the term ‘hegemony’ here deliberately, for radical Muslim
groups in Pakistan and in the Arab world have been indelibly
influenced and shaped by the hegemonic designs of European colonialism
in the past and Western imperialism today, and, in some senses, are a
reaction to this hegemonic project. They seek to counter Western
political supremacy and replace it by what they conceive of as Islamic
political supremacy. In my view, this approach is in sharp
contradistinction to Islamic teachings. The term ghalba-e islam, the
establishment of the supremacy of Islam, used in the context of the
Quran and the sayings of the Prophet (Hadith), refers not to any
political project of Muslim domination, but, rather, to the
establishment of the superiority of Islam’s ideological and spiritual
message. This, in fact, was the basic crux of the mission of the
Prophet Muhammad. However, the term has been distorted at the hands of
the self-styled jihadists, who present it as a project to establish
Muslim or Islamic political domination over the entire world.

War against India

Today, as the case of the Pakistani self-styled jihadists so
tragically illustrates, many of those who claim to be struggling in
the cause of Islam themselves work against Islamic teachings by
deliberately or otherwise misinterpreting them. This is the case with
their misuse of the term jihad in the context of Kashmir in order to
win mass support for themselves. Needless to add, this is a major
cause for growing anti-Islamic sentiments among many non-Muslims.

The dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmir has been lingering
for more than half a century. A major hurdle in the resolution of this
conflict is the self-styled jihadists based in Pakistan, who insist
that the conflict over Kashmir is an Islamic jihad and that,
therefore, war is the only solution. They claim that participation in
this so-called jihad has become a farz-e ayn, a duty binding on all
Muslims, and some of them, most prominently the dreaded Lashkar-e
Tayyeba, even go so far as to claim that the war in Kashmir is nothing
but the ghazwat ul-hind, the ‘war against India’ which is mentioned in
a saying attributed to the Prophet Muhammad. By this they want to
suggest that waging war against India is an Islamic duty, something
prophesied by the Prophet Muhammad himself.

What is the actual meaning and implication of the statement attributed
to the Prophet regarding the ghazwat ul-hind, which the Pakistan-based
self-styled jihadists regularly refer to, and grossly misinterpret, in
order to whip up anti-Indian sentiments and seek what they wrongly
claim is Islamic sanction for their deadly terror attacks against
India, in Kashmir and beyond? Before I discuss that, I must point out
that the statement attributed to the Prophet regarding the ghazwat
ul-hind is found in only one of the sihah sitta, the six collections
of Hadith reports of the Sunni Muslims—in the collection by al-Nasai.
This statement was narrated by Abu Hurairah, a companion of the
Prophet. According to him, the Prophet prophesied a battle against
India. If he (Abu Hurairah) got the chance to participate in this
battle, Abu Hurairah said, he would do so, sacrificing his wealth and
life. If he died in this battle, he said, he would be counted among
the exalted martyrs. According to another narration, related by the
Prophet’s freed slave Thoban, the Prophet once declared that there
were two groups among the Muslims whom God had saved from the fires of
Hell. The first would be a group that invaded India. The other group
would be those Muslims who accompanied Jesus (after he returned to the
world). A similar narration is contained in the collections of Hadith
by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Baihaqi and Tabrani.

Explanation

Because this hadith about the ghazwat ul-hind mentions India, and is
marshaled by self-styled Pakistan-based jihadists active in Kashmir,
it marks the Kashmir conflict out as clearly distinct from other
conflicts elsewhere in the world between Muslims and others. These
self-styled jihadists regularly invoke this hadith, trapping people in
their net by claiming that if they were to die fighting the Indians in
Kashmir they would be saved from hell and would earn a place in
heaven. This claim, false though it is, is regularly and constantly
repeated, as is evident from a host of Pakistani websites and
periodicals.

Let me quote a revealing instance in this regard. Recently, I came
across the August 2003 issue of ‘Muhaddith’, an Urdu magazine
published from Lahore, Pakistan. It contains a 20-page article on the
ghazwat ul-hind, written by a certain Dr. Asmatullah, Assistant
Professor at the Islamic Research Academy of the International Islamic
University, Islamabad. The article represents a pathetic effort to
project the ongoing conflict in Kashmir as precisely the same ghazwat
ul-hind that the Prophet is said to have predicted. And it is on the
basis of this reported hadith of the Prophet that ultra-radical
Islamists in Pakistan talk about unleashing a so-called jihad,
extending out of Kashmir and to consume the whole of India. This is no
longer limited to just fiery rhetoric alone, but, in fact, is also now
accompanied by deadly terror attacks in different parts of India,
which Pakistan-based radicals wrongly style as a jihad or even as the
ghawzat ul-hind reportedly prophesied by the Prophet. It is striking
to note in this connection that in the above-mentioned article, the
editors of ‘Muhadith’ disagree with the views of the author,
expressing their differences in the form of a footnote. Yet, this
counter-view, as expressed by the editors of the magazine, is hardly
ever discussed or even referred to in Pakistani so-called jihadist
literature, indicating, therefore, that the rhetoric of the
self-styled jihadists is based less on proper scholarly analysis of
the Islamic textual tradition than on strident, heated emotionalism
and a deep-rooted hatred and feeling of revenge. This applies not just
in the Pakistani case. Rather, is a phenomenon common to almost all
so-called jihadist movements throughout the rest of the world.

The Pakistani self-styled jihadists, it would appear, have made the
hadith about the ghazwat ul-hind into a plaything in their hands in
order to entrap innocent people. It is quite possible that the
Pakistani youth who were involved in the recent deadly terrorist
attack on Mumbai were fed on this sort of poisonous propaganda and led
into believing that they might go straight to heaven if they waged war
against India. In India, the banned Students Islamic Movement of India
appeared to have backed the same wholly erroneous and unwarranted
interpretation of the hadith about the ghazwat ul-hind, following in
the footsteps of Pakistani radical groups. Mercifully, as far as I
know, no other Indian Muslim group or scholar worthy of mention has
adopted the ‘Pakistani interpretation’ of this particular hadith
report.

Tragically, the concept of jihad has been subjected to considerable
abuse and made to serve extremist ends by self-styled jihadists. This
started in the very first century of Islam itself, when intra-Muslim
wars were sought to be christened by competing groups as jihads. And
because of the distorted understanding of jihad championed by many
Muslims themselves, they labeled any and every controversy and
conflict with non-Muslims, even if it had nothing at all to do with
religion but everything to do with politics, as a jihad, as the case
of Kashmir well exemplifies. Another facet of the distorted
understanding of jihad by some Muslims are suicide-bombings, in which
innocent civilians are killed. Yet another is proxy war by non-state
actors, such as armed self-styled jihadist groups, which actually has
no legitimacy in Islam at all.

Scrutiny

Coming back to the question of the hadith about the ghazwat ul-hind,
some aspects of the report deserve particular scrutiny. Firstly, as
mentioned earlier, this report is mentioned only in the collection of
al-Nasai from among the six collections of Hadith which most Sunnis
regard, to varying degrees, as canonical. However, considering the
merits or rewards of the ghazwat ul-hind that it talks about, it
ought, one might think, to have been narrated by many more companions
of the Prophet. But that, as it curiously happens, is not the case.

Secondly, and this follows from above, it is possible that this hadith
report is not genuine and that it might have been manufactured in the
period of the Ummayad Caliphs to suit and justify their own political
purposes and expansionist deigns. On the other hand, if this hadith
report is indeed genuine—which it might well be—in my view, the battle
against India that it predicted was fulfilled in the early Islamic
period itself, and is not something that will happen in the future.
This, in fact, is the opinion of the majority of the ulema, qualified
Islamic scholars. And this view accords with reason as well. It is
quite likely that the ghazwat ul-hind that this report predicted took
the form of the attack by an Arab Muslim force on Thana and Bharuch,
in coastal western India, in the 15th year of the Islamic calendar in
the reign of the Caliph Umar. Equally possibly, it could have been
fulfilled in the form of the missionary efforts of some of the
Prophet’s companions soon after, in the reign of the Caliphs Uthman
and Ali, in Sindh and Gujarat. Some other ulema consider this hadith
to have been fulfilled in the form of the attack and occupation of
Sindh by Arab Muslims led by Muhammad bin Qasim in the 93rd year of
the Islamic calendar, which then facilitated the spread of Islam in
the country. This might well be the case, for the hadith report about
the ghazwat ul-hind contained in the Masnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal, a
well-known collection of Hadith narratives attributed to the Prophet,
mentions that the Muslim army that would attack India would be sent in
the direction of Sindh and Hind.

Thirdly, this hadith mentions only a single or particular battle
(ghazwa), and not a series of continuing battles, unlike what the
author of the article in the ‘Muhaddith’, referred to above, echoing
the arguments of Pakistani self-styled jihadists, claims.

Fourthly, one must raise the very pertinent question of how it is at
possible that, in the face of the numerous attacks on India by Arab
and other Muslims over the last one thousand years, the more than six
hundred rule of Muslim dynasties that controlled most of India and the
rapid spread of Islam in the country in the period when they ruled,
any scope could be left to consider India a target of jihad in the
future. Furthermore, today India and Pakistan have diplomatic
relations and are bound by treaty relations. Hence, the proxy war
engaged in by Kashmir by powerful forces in Pakistan in the guise of a
so-called jihad is nothing but deceit, which is a complete
contravention of, indeed a revolt against, accepted Islamic teachings.

Fifthly, it must be remembered that it would have been very easy for
Muslim conquerors of India in the past, men like Mahmud of Ghazni,
Shihabuddin Ghori, Timur, Nadir Shah and so on, to present the hadith
about the ghazwat ul-hind and wield it as a weapon to justify their
attacks on the country. The corrupt ulema associated with their courts
could well have suggested this to them had they wished. However, no
such mention is made about this in history books. In the eighteenth
century, the well-known Islamic scholar Shah Waliullah of Delhi
invited the Afghan warlord Ahmad Shah Abdali to invade India and
dispel the Marathas, which he accepted, but yet Shah Waliullah, too,
did not use this hadith as a pretext for this.


Indian ulema

It is also pertinent to examine how some well-known contemporary
Indian ulema look at this hadith report. Maulana Abdul Hamid Numani, a
leading figure of the Jamiat ul-Ulema-i Hind, opines that this hadith
was fulfilled at the time of the ‘Four Righteous Caliphs’ of the
Sunnis, soon after the demise of the Prophet Muhammad, when several
companions of the Prophet came to India, mainly in order to spread
Islam. Mufti Sajid Qasmi, who teaches at the Dar ul-Uloom in Deoband,
is also of the same opinion, although he believes that it might also
refer to the invasion of Sindh by the Arabs under Muhammad bin Qasim
in the eighth century. On the other hand, Maulana Mufti Mushtaq
Tijarvi of the Jamaat-i Islami Hind believes that it is possible that
this hadith report is not genuine at all and that it might have been
fabricated at the time of Muhammad bin Qasim’s invasion of Sindh in
order to justify it.

Whatever the case might be, the misuse by radical groups of this
hadith report to spearhead war in Kashmir in the name of so-called
jihad and to foment conflict between India and Pakistan is tragic, to
say the least. It is nothing sort of a crime against God and the
Prophet. In their worldviews and in their actions as well, the
self-styled jihadist outfits seem to have gone the way of the
Khawarij, a group that emerged in the early period of Islam and who
were rejected by other Muslims. The Khawarij believed that they alone
were Muslims and that all others, including those who called
themselves Muslims, were infidels and fit to be killed. With reference
to the Khawarij, the Prophet predicted that they would depart from
Islam in the same way as an arrow flies out of a bow. About the
Khawarij the Caliph Ali mentioned that they take the word of truth and
turn it into falsehood (kalimatu haqqin urida beha al-batil). This he
said in the context of the Khawarij misinterpreting the Quran and
claiming that Ali and his followers were infidels who deserved to be
killed.

It is imperative, and extremely urgent, for Muslim scholars,
particularly the ulema, to take strict notice of, and stridently
oppose the radical self-styled jihadists, who are distorting and
misunderstandings Islamic teachings, following in the footsteps of the
Khawarij of the past, and spreading death and destruction in the name
of Islam. Jihad, properly understood, is a struggle to put an end to
strife and conflict, not to create or foment it, as is being done
today. The general public, particularly Muslims themselves, should be
made aware of the dangerous deviation of the self-styled jihadists and
the horrendous implications of their acts and views. In this regard, a
major responsibility rests with the ulema of India and Pakistan. These
days, ulema groups in India are very actively involved in organizing
conferences and holding rallies seeking to defend themselves and Islam
from the charges terrorism leveled against them. This is a very
welcome thing. However, they must also stridently speak out against
and clearly and unambiguously expose and denounce the self-styled
soldiers of Islam who are promoting terrorism in the name of Islam. At
the same time, it is also urgent to promote re-thinking of some
medieval notions of jihad, such as that of offensive jihad, which does
not actually have any Islamic legitimacy. This is essential for
Muslims to live in today’s times and to come to terms with democracy
and pluralism. Simply verbally defending Muslims and Islam from the
charges of terrorism is, clearly, not enough. Nor is it adequate to
simply condemn terrorism in very general terms. The truth is, and this
cannot be disputed, that today there is also a pressing need to
unleash a ‘jihad’ against the self-styled jihadist outfits themselves.
And in this jihad, undoubtedly, the ulema and Muslim intellectuals
have a central role to play and a major responsibility to shoulder.

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Maulana Waris Mazhari, a graduate of the Dar ul-Uloom at Deoband, is
the editor of the Delhi-based ‘Tarjuman Dar ul-Uloom’, the official
organ of the Deoband Graduates’ Association. He can be contacted on
w.mazhari@gmail.com
(Source: http://www.twocircles.net/2009jan24/countering_pakistani_terrorists_anti_india_propaganda.html )

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Great Khans

I really appreciate your last post where you have nicely discussed a part of history, its logical comparison and some facts about so-called newspaper. BTW, I also know such newspapers in depth so could not help laughing. These newspapers (which don’t contain any news) are in fact published for blackmailing purposes; and you have rightly pointed it out with a real life example.

We Pakistanis (probably all third world people) have a problem of declaring the others as nefarious, sinful, malicious and kaafirs etc MERELY, if something logical is questioned or if the basis of some belief or disbelief is inquired. A simple difference of opinion with our so-called Ulema (who are normally parrots) on some controversial issue can make you to be grouped in the category of non-muslims and kaafirs; and the very first category you would be grouped in is Qadiyani or Lahori etc. (Allah Reham Karey).

Our problem is that, we at large (including myself) don’t much know about our religion, our history, clear message of Allah, what historically has been practiced, how we evolved as a nation, what other nations conceived from us, what we conceived from others, what threats we have, what threats others have from us, what strengths of our religion and our nation (as Muslims) can be presented to others for converting them to Islam.

Majority does not realize that we don’t even know our complete history that is not far sighted. We don’t know in all details that what has been happening after the WISAAL of Prophet Peace Be Upon Him, and how our nation has been led to in subsequent times. What allegations “kaafirs” and “munaafeqeen” made and what are the exact replies. We simply know how to fire own properties and loot / destroy the assets of our own people while agitating against Denmark (or even against our own sub-sects) or to declare people like Rushdi as WAJAB-UL-QATAL or ban any stuff produced by our enemies (like Rushdi) in our country etc; but we don’t know what are the replies to the ill-mannered allegations of others like Denmark or Rushdi or others etc.

We don’t feel that firing out properties (doing other heinous things in its hide) banning what others say or publish and declaring others as WAJAB-UL-QATAL will not benefit us at all. Rather, it is and has since been portraying our wrong and ugly picture to others and is becoming a basis of hatred for us. We and our so-called Ulema don’t realize this. This is what we are.

We don’t believe in progression in the way we should, since we are the nation that carries the last message of Allah. We are so low, deteriorated, bifurcated, internally destroyed (due to lot of differences and deceptions), backward, ill-mannered, timid, technically / economically / financially / socially illiterate and outdated. Aur kamal yeh hai keh we never worry for it as a nation. Here “we” includes we and our so-called Ulema from whom we have to get the “light”; a ray of hope; and who presumably (I “personally” don’t believe in this presumption though, due to the class we have) are responsible to make the humanity better, improved, faithful, well mannered, united, progressive; so that finally the leaders of the mankind can be evolved.

……“Sabaq phir parh sadaqat ka, adalat ka, shujaat ka……
……Liya jaaey ga tujh say kaam dunya ke imaamat ka”……

We are too concerned for “DUNYA KE IMAAMAT” (that in fact is what Allah desires from muslims), but we altogether ignore the ingredients which make a nation to reach at such point.

These are definitely:-

“sadaqat”; I am sorry to say at the moment we as a nation are most fabricators and liars.

“Adalat”; we use to pull out our senior and independent judges by gripping at their hairs and ties; we are a nation where decisions are taken in the manner GREAT KHAN described in his post.

“Shujaat”; Yeh lafaz, if used for our nation (at this moment), tu iss lafaz ke tauheen hai. Shujaat requires research, technical advancement, development, education, openness, developing required strengths, and then coming up at the level jahaan Allah dushmano kay dil main hamara raob daal day. Certainly we are not living in the era of those who were like the stars. We have to do us at our own and Allah has given us every thing to do it.

How come we deserve to be IMAAMS (leaders / conquerors / winners / emperors) of the world so that Allah aur Allah kay deen ko implement kar sakain.

Ghazva-e-Hind tu zaroor ho ge; laikan kia zaroori hai keh ham jaisey jaahalon aur bay-amlon kay haathon say ho ge?

We can only do what we are seeing from ages; and even what we are seeing at this thread.

I just recall the “fish market”. Great Khans, nice words selected my friend.


Regards,



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Qadyanis are kafirs, in fact ULTIMATE kafirs. they are a snake in the bush for Muslims.
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Dear All

MRS I really appreciate your work. Your above post shows that you have made a lot of research work before writing it. It is really admirable. The reference quoted by you are valid the Religious Leaders whose names mentioned by you are famous. Your effort is admirable. Jis dour main ulemah-e-ikram ko Do Takkay k log kha ja raha ho us dour main ager koyee ulema ke hawale ya references quote kere to bari khushi hoti ha.


Dear difference of opinions is a healthy sign. There may be a difference in the interpretation of a saying of Holy Prophet (PBUH). We find difference of interpretation in Mujtahadeen, Aimay Arba,Salf Saleheen and even in Shaba (RAJ).

I am not Jehadi and I think Aamir is also not a jehadi.
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Jhan tak kisi ko kafir ,murtad ya munafiq qarar dene ki bat ha to main FATWA FOBIA ka shaded mukhalif hun mager mere bhaion is ka yeh matlab nhn k kisi kafir ko bhee kafir na kha jay. Islami tarikh ka mutala karain kitne bare bare fitne runuma huy.
Khawarij, Firqay Batniy, Qaramtaa, Mutizila, deene ilahi qadiyaniat, perveziat .
Khwarij ka fitna Hazrat Ali k doure khilafat main runuma huwa Hazrat Ali ne in k khilaf alme jhad buland kia aur in ko qatal kia.
Mudabir,Mohtat aur thaday mizah k alme deen ka yeh matlab nhn ha k koyee jo marzi kerta rahe, kufriyat bagta rahe aur nabuwat k jhote dawe kerta rahay aur Maulana sahib Sumum Bukmum ki tasveer ban k bhaite rahain.
Ulema ne hamesha fitnon aur batil firqon aur nabuwat k jhoote dawedaron ke khilaf jehad kia ha.

I know very well about newspapers because of my job experience in advertising sector. But we cannot declare all proceeding of a case as invalid. The case of yousuf Kazzab was reported by many newspapers beside Khabrain and Ummat. We can’t say that all newspapers, reporting the case, were wrong, judiciary was wrong, advocates and Ulemah were also wrong. It is fabulous to believe that all efforts of ulema, advocates and judiciary was to design to hang a so called innocent SUFFI. It’s fabulous.

As far as case of Yousuf Kazzab is concerned I read some details of the case. verdict of the case came after fulfilling all legal requirements and it was according to Sharia and the constitution.


I have a different opinion about the judgment in the case,reffered by Great Khan, I think Superior Judiciary gave the decision on merit . The said bench of judiciary consisted on many honorable judges like justice Nasim Hussain Shah.

I observed that many members do not read completely the links that I quoted above. The list of ulema of all sects who were in favour of verdict in blasphemy case of yousaf Kazzab is following.

Deobandi

Maulana Muhammad Yusuf Ludhianvi - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Ismail Shuja Abadi - General Secretary - AMTKN
Syed Ata ul Mohsin Bukhari - Majlis e Aihrar Pakistan, AMTKN
Maulana Manzoor Ahmed Chinioti - MPA, AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Abdul Majeed Deen Puri - Dar ul Ifta Jamia Uloom ul Islamia Binnori Town Karachi
Maulana Mufti Muhammad Naeem - Muhtamim o Sheikh ul Hadis - Jamia Binoria Site Karachi
Maulana Abdur Rehman Ashrafi - Jamia Ashrafia Lahore
Maulana Muhammad Aslam Sheikhupuri - www.darsequran.com, Jamia tur Rasheed
Maulana Qari Mansoor Ahmed - Jamia tur Rasheed
Maulana Azam Tariq - Parlimentary Leader - Punjab Assembly, SSP
Maulana Syed Wasi Mazher Nadvi
Maulana Fazlur Rehman - Ameer - JUI(F)
Maulana Samiul Haq - Ameer - JUI(S)
Hafiz Hussain Ahmed - JUI (F)
Qari Shabbir Ahmed Usmani - Central Secretary of Information - AMTKN Rabwah
Maulvi Faqir Muhammad - Secretary Information - AMTKN
Allama Aurangzeb Awan Islamabad - AMTKN
Maulana Munawwer Hussain Siddiqui - AMTKN
Khuwaja Khan Muhammad - AMTKN
Maulana Khan Muhammad - AMTKN
Aziz ur Rehman Jalandhry - AMTKN
Maulana Bashir Ahmed - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Hussain Nasir Sukkur - AMTKN
Maulana Jamalullah Al Hussaini Punnu Aaqil - AMTKN
Mufti Hafeez ur Rehman Tando Adam - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Nazar Usmani Hyderabad - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Ashraf Karachi - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Ali Siddiqui Quetta - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Ishaq Bahawalpur - AMTKN
Maulana Abdul Aziz Bahawalpur - AMTKN
Maulana Abdul Khaliq Rehman Sahiwal - AMTKN
Maulana Abdul Razzaq Mujahid Okara - AMTKN
Hafiz Muhammad Saqib - AMTKN
Maulana Qaisarullah Akhtar Gujranwala - AMTKN
Maulana Ghulam Hussain Jhang - AMTKN
Qazi Ahsaan Ahmed Rabwah - AMTKN
Syed Mumtaz ul Hassan Gilani Faisalabad - AMTKN
Qari Muhammad Ramzan - AMTKN
Qari Muhammad Ali - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Akram Tufani - AMTKN
Maulana Allah Wasaya - AMTKN
Maulana Khuda Baksh - AMTKN
Maulana Sarfaraz Khan - AMTKN
Maulana Syed Inayatullah Shah Sahab Bukhari - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Muhammad Tayyab - Ameer e Jamiat, Sheikh ul Quran - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Syed Ziaullah Shah Bukhari - Nazim e Aala Pakistan - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Ziaul Haq - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Qazi Asmatullah - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Allama Ataullah Shah - Nazim e Aala Punjab - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Sahabzada Ashraf Ali - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Qazi Muhammad Nakab - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Noor Ilahi - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Sahabzada Aziz ur Rehman - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Qari Khalil Ahmed Bandhyani - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Abdul Hai - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Abdul Razzaq - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Qari Abdul Aziz - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Shams ul Haq - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Rafiq ullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Mufti Kifayat ullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Ghulam Rasool - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Tayyab - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Saif ur Rehman - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Yusuf - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Qari Yaqub - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Shafiq ur Rehman - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Khalid - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Faiz ur Rehman - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Hidayatullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Ziaullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Rooh ul Ameen - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Noor ul Wakeel - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Rafi ullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Ahmed Muawiyah - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Chaudhry Zafar Iqbal Advocate - President - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam Lahore
Mian Muhammad Owais - Nazim - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam Lahore
Syed Muhammad Kafeel Bukhari - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Abdul Latif Khalid Cheema - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Qari Muhammad Yusuf Aihrar - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Mian Muhammad Owais - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Hafiz Ahmed Bakhsh Advocate - SSP Karachi
Sagheer Ahmed Sheikh - SSP Karachi
Mansoor Ali Babar - SSP Karachi
Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Nadeem - SSP Karachi
Muhammad Ilyas Zubair - SSP Karachi
Hafiz Zulfiqar - SSP
Professor Umer Hayat - SSP
Syed Inamullah Shah Bukhari - President - SSP Sahiwal
Qari Muhammad Ahmed Rasheedi - Vice President - SSP Sahiwal
Qari Manzoor Ahmed - SSP Sahiwal
Qari Muhammad Shafi Kazmi - SSP Sahiwal
Maulana Abdul Majeed - Sheikh ul Hadis - Jamia Islamia Babul Uloom Kerore Pakka
Mufti Abu Talha Zafar Iqbal - Jamia Islamia Babul Uloom Kerore Pakka
Maulana Taj Muhammad - JUI(F)
Hafiz Rasheed Ahmed - Ameer - JUI(F) Lahore
Hassan Farooq But - Secretary General - JUI(F) Lahore
Hafiz Nadeem Shehzad - Secretary Information - JUI(F) Lahore
Muhammad Idrees Upal - JUI(F) Lahore
Saifuddin Saif - Ameer - JUI(F) Lahore
Maulana Khalil ur Rehman Haqqani - JUI(S)
Ata ullah Qadri - Divisional Secretary - JUI(S)
Maulana Naeemullah Farooqi - JUI
Maulana Muhibun Nabi - JUI
Hafiz Muhammad Riaz Durrani - JUI
Qazi Nazir Ahmed - JUI
Abdul Qadir Roparri
Professor Shah Fareed ul Haq
Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri
Maulana Iqbal Muhammad
Maulana Syed Gulzar Shah
Maulana Abdul Qayyum Nomani
Maulana Abdul Waheed
Maulana Muhammad Yaar
Maulana Mufti Abdullah Shaukat
Maulana Noor ul Ameen
Maulana Ghulam Rasool Bukhari
Maulana Muhammad Arif
Maulana Mufti Khalid Muhammad

Barelvi

Dr Muhammad Sarfaraz Naeemi - Jamia Naeemia Lahore
Maulana Shah Ahmed Noorani - JUP (Noorani)
Maulana Abdul Sattar Khan Niazi - JUP (Niazi)
Pir Aijaz Hashmi - Cenral Secratory of Information - JUP (Noorani)
Muhammad Saleem Qadri - Quaid - ST
Allama Kaukab Noorani Okarvi
Mufti Abdul Aziz - Dar ul Uloom Amjadia Karachi
Dr Mufti Ghulam Server Qadri - Jamia Rizvia Trust
Muhammad Afzal Qadri - Ameer - Minhaj ul Quran Sahiwal
Shah Fareed ul Haq - Vice President - JUP
Maulana Shoaib Qadri - JUP
Maulana Muhammad Hussain Lakhani - JUP
Pir Safdar Shah - JUP (Niazi)
Maulana Ayaz Niazi - JUP
Shabbir Ahmed Hashmi - Central Ameer - JUP
Sardar Muhammad Khan Laghari - JUP
Dr Abul Khair Muhammad Zubair - JUP
Qari Abdul Hamid Qadri - JUP
Engineer Salimullah Khan – JUP
Muhammad Siddique Qadri - Convenor - ST
Maulana Muhammad Noor Al Mustafa Rizvi - ST
Malik Azhar Sandela - President - Pak Sunni Tanzeem
Maulana Ahmed Baksh Sandela - Pak Sunni Tanzeem
Maulana Allah Ditta - Pak Sunni Tanzeem
Maulana Mushtaq Ahmed Karo - Pak Sunni Tanzeem
Badar Zahoor Chishti - Anjuman e Talaba e Islam Lahore
Abu Zafar Saeed - Anjuman e Talaba e Islam Lahore
Maulana Abdus Sattar Saeedi - Organizer - Milad Committe Multan
Maulana Muhammad Ramzan Naqshbandi - Milad Committe Multan
Maulana Ghulam Qasim Noorani - Khateeb - Jamia Anwaar Ghausia
Mian Amir Mehmood Naqshbandi - President - Jamiat e Ulama e Mashaikh Youth Wing
Sheikh Abdul Karim - Anjuman e Ghulaman e Mustafa Pakistan
Hafiz Muhammad Akbar Jatoi - President - Anjuman e Fidayan e Mustafa Pakistan
Amir Shahzad Siddiqui - Chairman - Anjuman e Fikr e Insaniyat
Qari Muhammad Ismail Sulaimani - General Secretary - Jamiat e Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Lahore
Maulana Jamil Ahmed Naeemi - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Mufti Muhammad Jan Naeemi - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Allama Shabbir Ahmed Azhari - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Abdul Haleem Siddiqui - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Qazi Noorani - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Mukhtar Ahmed Qadri - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Rajab Ali Naeemi - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Abdul Ghaffar Owaisi - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Wazir Rehmani - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Bashir ul Qadri - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Syed Hamid Ashraf Shah Jilani - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allam Nasim Ahmed Siddiqui - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Ashraf Gormani - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Shabbir Ahmed Ghaffari - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Riazuddin Qadri - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Abdullah Tayyab - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Qari Muhammad Siddiqui - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allam Farhat ul Qadri - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Saeed ul Hassan - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Qari Maqsood ul Islam - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Haji Muhammad Hanif Bilour - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Syed Irshad Ali - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Maulana Abdul Halim Hazarvi - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Maulana Abdul Ghaffar Owaisi - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Muhammad Usman Khan Ghauri - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Maulana Bashir ul Qadri - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Maulana Rajab Ali Naeemi - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Qazi Ahmed Noorani - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Shia
Maulana Muhammad Afzal Haider - Central Secretary General - Wafaq e Ulema e Shia
Alhaaj Muhammad Riaz Rizvi - Central Chairman - Tehrik e Ittehad e Millat e Islamia Pakistan
Maulana Kazim Raza Naqvi - Jamia Almuntazir Lahore
Munawwar Abbass Alvi - President - Sipah e Muhammad Pakistan
Allam Mushtaq Hussain Jaffery - Head - Tehrik e Huqooq e Jaffaria Pakistan
Mirza Yusuf Hussain (Shia) - Chairman - Muslim Muttahida Mahaz Pakistan

Ahle Hadis

Allam Zubair Ahmed Zaheer - Central Ameer - Jamaat e Ahl e Hadis
Mian Muhammad Jamil - Secretary General - Jamaat e Ahl e Hadis
Hafiz Muhammad Naeem Butt - Central Secretary Information - Jamiat e Ahl e Hadis
Hafiz Abdul Majid Butt - Jamat e Ahle Hadis Pakistan
Maulana Abdur Rehman Salfi - Ameer - Jamat e Ghurba Ahle Hadis
Muhammad Idrees Hashmi - Secretary - Jamat e Ghurba Ahle Hadis Punjab
Maulana Muhammad Saeed - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Muhammad Shoaib Ansari - Ahle Hadis Youth Forum
Saifullah - Ahle Hadis Youth Forum
Zahid Ansari - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Sajid Ansari - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Zahid Tariq - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Haji Abdul Qayyum - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Maulana Abdul Ghaffar Firdousi - President and Khateeb - Markazi Jamiat e Ahle Hadis Khanewal
Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf - Khateeb - Jama Masjid Ahle Hadis Madani Road Mustafabad Lahore
Hafiz Muhammad Asghar - Khateeb - Jama Muhammadia Masjid Ahle Hadis Shadbagh Lahore

Tanzeem e Islami

Dr Israr Ahmed - Tanzeem e Islami
Dr Ghulam Murtaza Malik
Major General Rtd M H Ansari - Tehreek e Khilafat, Tanzeem e Islami
Naeem Akhtar Adnan - Vice Nazim Nashro Ashaat - Tanzeem e Islami

Jamat e Islami

Hafiz Muhammad Idris - Ameer - JI Punjab
Maulana Abdul Malik - Sheikh ul Hadis - Jamia Mansoora Lahore, Jamiat e Ittehad ul Ulama
Sardar Maqsood Hussain Tahir - Press Secretary - JI
Liaqat Baloch – JI

Naushaba Ahsan - JI
Farzana Cheema - JI
Sajida Zubairi - JI
Muhammad Qadeer - Member - JI Azad Kashmir
Maulana Fateh Muhammad - JI
Munawwar Ali Khan - Ameer - JI Sahiwal
Sheikh Shahid Hameed - Ameer - JI Sahiwal City
Dr Anwar ul Haq - JI Sahiwal City
Dr Akram Sheikh - JI Sahiwal City
Mushtaq Ahmed Khan - Ameer - JI Hyderabad
Chaudhry Mehmood Ahmed - JI Sahiwal City
Dr Abdul Sattar - JI Sahiwal City
Rao Masood Ali Khan - Shabab e Milli
Shahid Bilal - President - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Muhammad Muawiyah - Deputy Secretary - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Muhammad Azhar Naeem - Incharge Media Cell - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Abdur Rehman Faisal - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Tahir Shah - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Amir Nawaz Khan Kirmani - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Rana Nazim Javaid - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Rana Nazim - Deputy Secretary - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Muhammad Shafiq Butt - President - Shabab e Milli Punjab Lahore
Amanullah Khan Sayyal - Shabab e Milli

This list is available on following link
http://smhumayun.blogspot.com/2009/06/united-as-one-muslim-ummah-against.html

Jzakallah

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:)

This is called to play "beeen" in front of ..........

Kazzaabs are kazzaabs, whoever they are or they were.

Fitnon kay baarey main Ahaadees maujood hain, aur aaj kay daur main itna tajarba honay kay baad bhi if somebody is inspired of factual fitna tu let him be inspired. Kisi ko Allah gumrah kar day tu uska koi solution nahi.

In Maulaanaao ko kisi aur baat ke fikar kyun nahi? Awaam kee kiya haalat hai? Kitni jahaalat hai? Kitni ghurbat hai? How much helpless we are? How much outdated and backward we are? What we need to do to transform into a super power? What technological advancement we need? How we can transform into self sufficient and economically viable nation? How can we convert people to Allah's deen globally? How can we inspire others? How can we look as followable to others? How can we become role model? How can we eliminate social injustice? What we should do to fight back social evils? How can we unite the different sects? How can we bring different school of thoughts at one point? How many people die for hunger every year? How many invalid babies born and are thrown out by virgin moms for dogs? How can they be grown up and given a status in society? How this bay-rah-rawi can be controlled? How many kids sleep without taking meals, so on and so forth....

We have bundles of problems, evils, issues that are needed to be resolved; par kia zaroorat hai sochnay ke? Yahaan iss qaum kay 90 percent betay (at least) rishwat letay hain, kisi ko koi parwah nahi? Kiaa yeh fitna nahi? Yahaan har cheez main dhoka aur milaawat shaamil hai, kiaa yeh fitna nahi? Yahaan ham itnay faqeer hain keh aaney waali generations loans main dabi hui hain, yeh fitna nahi kia? Muslim *****s and character-less people hamaari generations kay liyey celebrities hain, yeh fitna nahi? Har ghar main nude movies aur dances dekhay jaatey hain, yeh fitna nahi?

Ham say diseases control nahi hoteen, ham apni minerals aur reserves ko explore karnay kay qaabil nahi, ham USA say ammunition maangtay hain paisa maangtay hain roti maangtay hain, ham har baar zaleel logon ko hukamran bana letay hain, ham dunya say 200 saal peechay hain, kiyaa yeh sab fitnay nahi?

Un fitno ke fikar khaaey jaa rahi hai jo mar khap bhi chukay hain. Important is that keh woh fitnay mar khap bhi chukay hain. And we are not leaving that saga so far. Kyun? Because zubaani jama-kharach ham ko aataa hai aur woh ham buhat zyada kartay hain. Bey-amal tu ham hain he tu baatein tu kar saktay hain na. So kar rahey hain.

Bhaai khud ko strong karo; fitnay apni maut aap mar jaaein gey. Look at more important issues and problems. Prepare yourself keh Allah tumhara khauf kuffar kay dil main daal day. Believe you me aisee stories repeat (pidar-e-man sultaan bood) karnay say kuch honay wala nahi. Amal aur harkat ke zaroorat hai. Vision is required and hard work is required.

Yahaan ham nay qaadiyanion ko kaafar qaraar dilwa diya National Assembly say; ho gai baat. Unki activities par nazar rakho (Govt's duty). Baat khatam. Yousaf kazzab ko khattam kar dia gaya: ok aagey barho. Kai kazzaab aaey hongay aur chalay gaey hongay. Jehad hua ho ga, baat khattam ho gai ho gee. Yeh tu on-going process hai, yeh hamesha chalnaa hai. Koi buraai nahi iss par ghaur karnay aur nazar rakhnay main; laikan guzray saanp ke lakeer kab tak peeto gey. Bhaai aagey barho. Kuch aur bhi karo yaa bass aqal yahaan aa kar khattam ho jaati hai???

Kiyaa alfaaz select kiye hain GREAT KHAN nay; still sounding well. Bitter but fact:

"Fish market"


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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  12:48:41 AM  Show Profile

M.R.S. (RIZWAN)

Thank you very much for posting such an informative material. I really appreciate it.

Some time back, I expressed my views about Kashmir fight that was taken so negatively by our Maulana fellows.

Thanks God we still have sensible, knowledgable and followable truth speaking Ulemas. God bless this man Mr. Mazhari for speaking truth in these difficult times.

BTW did you notice, you mentioned one name of Aalim-e-deen, and some one clicking your idea copied a long list (just to do what you have done). Logon ko jitnaa marzi samjhaa lo par nahi. Khair anyway.

Of course Kashmir fight is not the Ghazwa-tul-Hind (even if the Hadees is not fabricated; which I personally believe is a genuine Hadees). This is regional and political issue. India keeps on destabilizing us and our agencies reply it similarly in Kashmir and other places.

I will post a link here if available (I hope it would soon be available at Youtube) where Haafiz Saeed flately refused to have any linkage with any Jehadi (terrorist) activity in India and Indian Kashmir, in an Interview with Kamran Shahid (express news).

The people who are referred to in the said Hadees are not supposed to get refuge by speaking even a mild lie. Naoozbillah.

Thanks once again.


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Kamran.
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Greatkhans
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Pakistan
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  09:38:55 AM  Show Profile
Dear Awais,

Please don’t worry about me. I don’t care what people will think about me, but I will speak the truth. I neither need any certificate for my eman from any person nor do I issue any certificate of Kufr-o-Ilhad about anyone who claims his eman. I don’t know what treatment will be with me on the day of judgement. May be my eman will be thrown on my face. I follow the saying of Umer (R.A) who said if it would be announced on the day of judgement that everyone has been sent to Jannah (Bkhashish) except one person, I will think that it is Umer ibne Khatab. We unintentionally say so many things which are “Shirk” . As you said” Mere Nabi ki baat jhooti nhn ho sakti hum ko in baton pe hansna nhn chaye.” My brother he was not your Nabi. He was Nabi Allah. Should I say that Awais is claiming “Alwahiyat”? I should gather some emotional people and raid at your home without giving you an opportunity that you don’t mean that. I have hundred of witnesses that you wrote this statement.

My brother, I 100% what Kamran wrote so I won’t repeat to save time so please treat his answer as my answer. However, I would add that real jihad will be done in our universities, colleges, research institutions, stock exchanges, hospitals, when we will fight against poverty, illiteracy, disease, unemployment etc. I am astonished to see that a person like you who was educated at world’s best institutions thinks like that so I should not complaint to those suicide bombers who have been educated like you.

I won’t teach you history but it is important to give you some highlights. All our Ulema are heir of Anbiya (SAWS). Allah said to Prophet “Hikmat aur danai kay sath un ko bulao”. Yae humara nabi hay jo dalil per baat karta hay, Mayray monin banday is Quran per anday aur behroon ki tarhan nahi tootay partay. So as our Ulema did in the past. First fitna after Musilima arose in the time of Imam Bukhari, which was “Zohada and contamination of Ahadeeth”. Iman did not issue any fatwa of Kufr, but he worked hard and brought the true dean in light. Then fitna-e-khalq-e-quran which Imam Malik defended, then Fitna was “Shaikh Abne Arabi, Imam Sayooti defended and defeated him with logics, wisdom and knowledge, then was the issue of “Mansoor Bin Hallaj”. It was also dealt with the same skills by Muhammad Bin Dawood Az-Zaaheri (It took him anout 20 years to decide the case), then Rafai fitna, Imam Ibne Timimiya defended Islam, then was Muta izalla, It was also defeated. In the recent history Fitna-e-Dean-e-Ilahi. Mujadad Alaf sani and Allama Rasheed Nanatovi defended it and revived dean. Most recently was fitna-e-Pervaziyat which was dealt with by Mulana Modudi and Molana Abdur Rahman Kilani. They did not issue any fatwa of Kufr. They did not kill anyone except “Mansoor Bin Halaj” who openly admitted that he is God. Even his sentence was not just an emotional act. He was given full opportunity of being heard and declare his “Barraat” and state decided to kill him not the people.

My brother, we should not adopt a Taliban approach. Be rational and see things critically (To see thing as they are in the light of wisdom and intelligence). Don’t be emotional and adopt Gardan mardo attitude. You know very well that how many times Blasphemy act has been abused (It does not mean that Act is wrong). I do not want to write too much on this issue because I always avoid discussing religion.
I pray that Allah bless us with Aqal-e-Saleem and lastly I will quote

Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

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GREAT KHANS
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padphoosilimdakar
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  3:37:39 PM  Show Profile
Mera sawal topic say thora hat ke hai.Qadianion ka pakistan say bahir kya status hai.Kya saudiarab aur degar muslim countries na bhi inko non muslim declare kia hai ya nahi?
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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  7:39:15 PM  Show Profile
A few countries have declared them non-muslim (not Kafir, to be more precised) and I believe these include Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and South Africa (on request of Muslims) etc.

However, your question is valid, they are treated as Muslims in majority of the countries of the world because those countries follow the rule of calling any one what "such any one" likes to be called.

Others may also enlight further.


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awaisaftab
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  9:24:32 PM  Show Profile  Send awaisaftab a Yahoo! Message
The purpose of writing the thread was to alert the new generation about the past of Zaid Hamid. Hence Rawalpindi and Islamabad is the main hub of activities of Zaid Hamid so I felt a need to write about his past. I did it only for the safety of thoughts of young generation.

In Rwp and Islamabad local leader of one religious party and AMTKN are trying to unveil the face of Zaid Hamid before the young generation. A joint press conference of ulema and leaders of religious political parties is also recommended.

I know very well the problems faced by the nation. mera taluq ek parhe likhe deeni gharane se ha. Main koyee intha pasand 2 rakat ka maulvi nhn hun jo nay jamanay k taqazor se be behra ho ker thori se english seekh ker accountacy forum pe apnee deeny aur duniwi knoledge ka sikka jamane agaya ho.Jhalat ha,ghurbat ha is ke khilaf bhee jhad hona chayee but Duniya Mafia se qeemti cheez Eman ha. Iski hifazat bhee zroori ha. Every problem is discussed at proper place and every topic and issue its own importance.

Some people think about me that I get influence from others ideas in simple words they want to prove me a duffer but I have self respect for each and every Muslim. Bhayee ageer main itna hi duffer hun to meri baton ko kisi pagal admi ki bakwas samajh ker ignore ker dia kero. I don’t think this thread appropriate place to defend myself .Islam gives the right of self respect to every Muslim but hum thore se ikhtilaf per apne musalman bhaion kee izat or abroo ko halal ker k uske waqar ki dhajion ura detain hain.. Quran o Hadees ek Musalman ko qabile ezat qarar dete hum quon hote hais kisi dosre musalmain ki ezat ko halal qarar dene wale???

As far as difference in interpretation of Hadis of Ghazwatul Hind is concerned it is healthy difference. Mere bhaion ikhtilaf ko rehmat qarar dia gaya ha. Ek dafa ghalban Imam Shafai (RA) Imame Azam Sayedul Fuqqah Janabe Abu Hanifa (RA) k mazar pe hazir hue Imam ne fajir kee namaz main Qunoot-e-Nazila nhn parhi kisi ne poocha ke apne qunoot qun chore dee to Imam ne Kha k Sahibe Mazar ka ehtiram malhooz ha.

Greatkan I know k blasphemy act misuse huwa ha aur hamare musalman bhayee bohat jaldi ishtial main ajate hain. 1993 ya 1994 main ek hujoom ne ek hafize quran ko qatal ker dia ye hadsa Gujranwala main pesh aya tha but beside all facts I strongly believe that all legal requirements of blasphemy act was fulfilled before giving punishment to Yousuf Kazab. That’s why all leaders of JI also in favour of this decision. I think this is only religious party whose leaders and workers are equipped with both worldly and religious education.
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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  10:23:32 PM  Show Profile
"Paagal aadmi ke bakwas", nice selection and no one needs to interpret anything.

BTW fish market carried similar meanings as well.

Aik muslim (woh jitna bhi mistaken ya emotional kyun na ho) ko degrade kiaa jaa raha hai, "Ulema nay explanation maangi hai", bhaai yeh Ulema kaun hain explanation maangnay waalay?? It's GOVT's job to do so. Religious board hai, religious ministory hai, qaanoon (getting better these days) hai, police hai; yeh Ulema kaun hain at their own explanation maangnay waaley?

The concept of taking law in hands and feeling our selves best muslim (in most cases Wali-Allah), authority at our own, khud he muddai, khud he judge, khud he police, everything; yeh kab jaaey ge. These so called Ulemas have given rise to incidents like LAL MASJID.

If any body feels Zaid Hamid is doing punishable thing, he should register his complain in Police with evidences. Yeh JI aur doosray sab kiyaa authority hain? Koi bataaey ga?? Dunya main kahin bhi aisee authority hai kisi kay paas. Saudi Arab ke example he lay kay saabit kar do?

We don't know anything, we don't know Zaid Hamid's heart inside, he did not EVER said apparently anything by which he can be thought to not having a belief on Khatm-e-Nabbuwat. Over excited hai woh, aur woh aksar loge hotay hain. We have experience and observation and every one among us can judge better. Bhaai jee forum pay aik muslim ko kyun gandda kar rahey ho. Yeh new generation khud jaan jaaey ge sab haqeeqat, tum zyada laaiq ho? Agar ho tu pehlay woh kar lo jis maain aaj tak phanssay huey ho. Who are you to post defamatory things and links about any one against whom nothing has yet proved. Baat kee jaa rahi hai self respect ke. Inn parrots ko tu totay ke tarah rattaa lagwaya hota hai yeh beychaaray itnay qaabil he hain.

If some body says that something factual was posted, tu bhaai je tab kyun cheekhain nikal gai theen jab GREATKHAN nay tumhara zaati kacha chathaa kholaa tha forum pay. Woh sab bhi tu haqeeqat tha. Agar tum kisi ko jaahil, naa laaiq, 6 saal say fail honay wala etc kaha jaaey tu takleef hoti hai na? You know why you felt pain, because every one has self respect aur wohaan zore kee lagti hai. Jitni tumko lagti hai utni he Zaid Hamid ko bhi lagti ho ge? So, think a hundred time before posting defamatory things about people unless these are proved.

Tumhara koi bara aalim thaa tu zaroori nahi keh tum bhi aalim ho aur tum ko bhi khulli chhutti mil jaaey mazhabi issues par logon ko zaleel karnay ke. Kisi body builder ka beta ya pota body builder nahi hota merely for the reason that his father or grand father was body builder. Aisaa hotaa hai tu tumko bhi aalim maan letay hain.

Tumko itni taufeeq nahi, keh GreatKhan kay sawal ka jawab he day detay. I believe we are no body to pull you to soil for anything but GreatKhan pointed out that "by mistake" you have said something that is specific for GOD. Khud tu saari post parh lee aur iss baat ko explain karnay takk ke taufeeq nahi mili. Chalay ho logon say explanation maangnay.

Allah ka khauf bari achi cheez hai, woh kia karo; aur khopri thanddi rakha karo. Koi mazhab kay issue par tumhaari bajaanay aa gaya naa tu phir kaho gey self respect affect ho rahi hai.

Mazhab ka thekay-daar mat bano; please.

Post some logical things and we will appreciate it.


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Greatkhans
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Pakistan
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  10:26:26 PM  Show Profile
Dear Awais,

Have you been practicing what you are preaching? If someone claims that he is Muslim, why you are insisting him to declare him non-muslim? Kamran very rightly quoted incident of Hazrat Ali (R.A), did open his heart and see that Zaid Hamid is non-muslim? We just can’t assess someone the basis of the past. Do you know that who damaged Muslims in War of Ditch and Khazwa-e-Auhad the most, before “Eman”. It was Khalid Bin Al-Waleed and Akerma bin Abu Jahal. Later these were the people who fought for Islam and eliminate Fitna-e-Musilima. These were the people who shattered density of Iran and Roman Empire. Hinda (RA) the bitterest enemy of Islam, fought against Roman, when Islam soldiers, were losing the battle. For detailed reading see “Sword of Allah” by Col. Ikram. What you are saying is an illogical reasoning to defame Zaid Hamid.

As far as JI is concerned, it is also another big chapter. We all are well aware of these people. I don’t want to open this chapter because it would definitely hurt religious feelings of many forum people. At least I just can’t dare to discuss validity of any Hadeeth, because I don’t have in-depth knowledge of Quan and Sunna and Fiqah. I think our great scholars during the history of 1400 have done great work on this. You can refer to their work and they have discussed each “word”, I am not exaggerating, each word of hundred of thousand of ahadeeth. If you read Tafseer ibne Kathir, he discussed Bissmila on 4-5 pages. This is a master peace discussion.

I do not challenge your family back ground. I am just trying to make you understand because I know there were many prophet whose even family members did not accept Islam and father of Ibrahim (AS) was Idol maker.

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GREAT KHANS
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Greatkhans
Junior

Pakistan
115 Posts

Posted - Mar 07 2010 :  10:51:59 PM  Show Profile
Hi Awais,

One more thing, please check the validity of any incident before you quote. Imam Abu Hanifa declared that it is HARM to pray in any MAZAR. Ulema-edeodand also declared the same based on that fatva. How he can do it himself. Please refer to book of Imam Abu Yousuf. I would be glad if you could give some reference of this incidence.

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ACCAite
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Pakistan
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  09:48:05 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by MRS

quote:
Originally posted by kamranACA

:)

People can figure out why I mentioned the name of Saddam!

BTW now we are used to read/listen such comec things. I hope it will take too long to rescind Ghazva (Naoozbillah) against our own selves initiated by us. Doosron ke fikar baad main karein gey.

Regards,
Kamran.



Agreed 100%

No one has right to pass judgement on someones faith its between allah and that individual.

with due respect to all members when ever i hear zaid hamid i cannot stop laughing . it is unbelievable that we have these kind of people who are dreaming of conquering other areas where as their own back yard is on fire.

Wake up guys, its a new world now.



WAKE up guys this is a new world? where we would love to stay as we are or get worse? if this keep progressing we could become slaves. Perhaps you need to travel around more, look and read up more brother...if your ' OK ' with what you have at the moment....your seriously misguided.
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MRS
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  10:26:09 AM  Show Profile  Send MRS an AOL message
quote:
Originally posted by ACCAite

quote:
Originally posted by MRS
Agreed 100%

No one has right to pass judgement on someones faith its between allah and that individual.

with due respect to all members when ever i hear zaid hamid i cannot stop laughing . it is unbelievable that we have these kind of people who are dreaming of conquering other areas where as their own back yard is on fire.

Wake up guys, its a new world now.


WAKE up guys this is a new world? where we would love to stay as we are or get worse? if this keep progressing we could become slaves. Perhaps you need to travel around more, look and read up more brother...if your ' OK ' with what you have at the moment....your seriously misguided.



Thank you dear for being very lenient by using words “Seriously Misguided” others would have challenged my EMAN.

If you really believe that only way to change the current scenario is by declaring JIHAD then i can only pray for you.

By the way what do you mean by traveling? I have been to six courtiers and have seen much of Pakistan you must mention the place where I can seek the guidance.

Dear I am not a learned person but have enough courage to read Ibn-e-Kathir and have tried to understand the works of Ghazali and Tabri. If you can suggest any other sources I will be indebt to you but just passing generalized comments will not help me to seek guidance.

I hope you will be kind enough to help me in seeking guidance.

Regards

M.Rizwan

Edited by - MRS on Mar 08 2010 1:06:28 PM
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padphoosilimdakar
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  10:55:05 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by kamranACA

A few countries have declared them non-muslim (not Kafir, to be more precised) and I believe these include Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and South Africa (on request of Muslims) etc.

However, your question is valid, they are treated as Muslims in majority of the countries of the world because those countries follow the rule of calling any one what "such any one" likes to be called.

Others may also enlight further.


Regards,




jawab ka shukrya.I read on wikipedia page regarding Ahmadiya community that Pakistan is the only country that has officialy declared qadianis as non muslims.Is lye main nay yeh sawal kia.
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padphoosilimdakar
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  11:04:32 AM  Show Profile
Awaisaftab aap nay pervaiziat ka zikr kya.Yeh konsa religion ya sect hai?
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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  11:31:04 AM  Show Profile
ACCAite

The thing which you wish to point out (or which I feel you wished to) is understandable and yes it exists every where. We have to find out its roots; simply bluffing that we will crush India and Flag Dehli etc etc is inhuman and insensible in the time you are living at.

If you have travelled, I guess you should have learnt the reasons as to why we are ill-mannered, backward, outdated, dependent, and so on. Some other nations might be much ill-mannered when compared to us but our deficiency gets more highlighted when we are dependent upon them in every field of life.

We need to correct ourselves instead of gathering people against India or others. Correcting ourselves starts from correcting myself.

I wonder what you find wrong in it if we people laugh at Zaid Hamid. He is over excited, over emotional and a bit dumb minded which is reflective from the soultions he use to provide.

Personally I dont have any issue with him; however, he sometimes provide recreational opportunity, if we listen his views.

Regards,


KAMRAN.
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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  11:34:11 AM  Show Profile
GreatKhans

Have you ever seen "parrots" who are taught and trained how to speak?


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ACCAite
Junior

Pakistan
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  1:19:59 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by kamranACA

ACCAite

The thing which you wish to point out (or which I feel you wished to) is understandable and yes it exists every where. We have to find out its roots; simply bluffing that we will crush India and Flag Dehli etc etc is inhuman and insensible in the time you are living at.

If you have travelled, I guess you should have learnt the reasons as to why we are ill-mannered, backward, outdated, dependent, and so on. Some other nations might be much ill-mannered when compared to us but our deficiency gets more highlighted when we are dependent upon them in every field of life.

We need to correct ourselves instead of gathering people against India or others. Correcting ourselves starts from correcting myself.

I wonder what you find wrong in it if we people laugh at Zaid Hamid. He is over excited, over emotional and a bit dumb minded which is reflective from the soultions he use to provide.

Personally I dont have any issue with him; however, he sometimes provide recreational opportunity, if we listen his views.

Regards,


KAMRAN.




Kamran Saahab,

Over the India issue i dont agree with you, i dont say crush them right away or on the other extreme as you are, totally blaming ourselves. Sir, are we not aware of the fact that India can never be our friend? are they really our well wishers? i mean i hope you dont think that way. Eventually, only war will settle it...i hope not but it just seems to be the fate of India - Pak relationship. Looking at history, whats happening currently and how future is shaping...i dont think we can prepare ourselves just by blaming entirely ourselves Sir.

Regards
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kamranACA
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  2:32:44 PM  Show Profile
Tu bhaai jee naa karo khud ko blame; and live a peacful life with the "khayaali pulaaos" people like Zaid Hamid prepare for you. You know I am not concerned with what he says or people influenced by him feel.

It's your sweet will. Mashallah every one can make a better judgement and take his own decision.

Regards,
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ACCAite
Junior

Pakistan
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 :  3:19:35 PM  Show Profile
Will do so, atleast i wont be shocked when after years of JEE SIR JEE SIR and improving myself i find out indian airforce fighter jets all over my heads.

regards
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