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This is just an opinion.

I have been lurking around for about a year over here. It’s heartening to note people involved in more mature and structured debate. More and more individuals from institutes other than ICAP have also joined in here, which is an encouraging sign. Good show.

Sadly, the level of antagonism between members/students from different professional institutes on this forum is still quite the same. You are more than welcome to share your own points of view and debate opinions, but lowballing and undercutting each other with downright absurd statements not only makes an ass out of yourself, it damages the profession.

A layman's quick skim through some of the posts in the ‘career’ sections will most probably opinionate into something like "X institute students are tremendously insecure and threatened professionals, and need to put more effort in communicating coherently"....

About the issue of competition between examining bodies - it’s a fact of life. The impossibly utopian pipedream of a single global institute with all members so ‘nice’ to each other can obviously, never be achieved. ICAP’s changing policies which are becoming arguably more relaxed, the absolutely preposterous number of students awarded permanent credits this year, all point towards an environment that is getting a lot more competitive compared to - say, a decade ago.

While I do agree that defending your own profession within a specified limit is permissible, making uninformed opinions and backing up your choice of institute with downright ridiculous notions and urban myths turns your personal credibility into gutter filth. The fact that these people are ‘representing’ the most prestigious accountancy bodies in the world makes it even worse. If tomorrow’s enterprise is going to be run by ill-informed gutter filth, may Allah help us? Such silly opinions raise doubts about a person’s background and standard of education and even though ‘witty’ one liners might fail to deliver a coherent message, they still speak volumes about a his/her intellect. Regardless of how good you are at crunching numbers and interpreting spreadsheets, if your intellect is roughly equivalent to that of a very intelligent worm, I seriously doubt it if you will ever be able to ‘make it big’ in life.

Secondly, if some individuals who are apparently new to the internet (and computers in general), take a little bit more effort into actually LOOKING at the keyboard while they learn to type, they will not only sound more mature, but people will actually bother to stop and read their posts with possibly some reflection on its content. While there are no set rules for communicative punctuation on the internet, written words still manage to represent a person’s ability to a certain extent. Poorly punctuated, incoherent posts which sometimes attempt to mingle nearly three languages at once; represent a frothing and foaming baboon and that too, a baboon isolated in a laboratory to prevent pollution of the Cro-Magnon gene pool.

It’s a tough world out there. I recently started my training, and believe me; your knowledge of your respective subject is almost secondary to your ability to survive in a profoundly Darwinian environment. My first couple of months was spent in total shock. It’s a harrowing process, but its reality.

Similarly, there is competition everywhere. That’s also reality. Learn to appreciate it rather than run away from it. The institute where you are enrolled at is not infallible. Nothing is foolproof. Try to understand the ‘big picture’. Believe in personal development. That alone is what differentiates one professional from another. In the long run, your ability to see the ‘big picture’ is what really matters.


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Well, just to add on a bit, some members here rarely read a post completely, its probably got to do with the short attention span with Kids these days.

H3LL10N nice to know you have been lurking around our part of the woods, care to clear out of the bushes. I think you'll be a good contributor.

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311
I found complete ignorance and unhealthy scepticism to be the mainstream response to any information which i try to state. Members here think that others traditional mainstream posters are fools. The only entity’s that are dumber than them are the peons that believe their fabricated paradigm. They are fools because they are closed minded , intransigent , deaf and dumb, while communicating a false message that their theory of the day is, in effect, true and immutable. The above statement is a kind of response, one member gave me.


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To be honest, I have been tempted to reply earlier, the main reason I have held back is the massive amount of trolling over here, a few individuals have made their attempts to annoy others their sole reason for existence.

I personally believe that silly posts which lack any judgment and creativity at all should be deleted instantly, but that is more of an administrative issue and in practice can be very difficult to implement, even with active moderation. In my own forum we tried enforce a minimum level of ‘intelligence’ but it became rather cumbersome and problematic, so we had to restrict it to sections which demand reasoned argument, for example the religion and politics forums.

I must commend some of you guys for actually surviving this place. An example of this being the inflammatory remarks some people have made in those inter-institute wars. While their massive amount of misinformation is annoying, it’s a sad fact that you really cant change or even influence the level of creativity in someone who has been used and abused by our countries education system for 15 or so odd years. These people will hold on to their beliefs…beliefs being a more appropriate term since everyone seems to take things personal so easily, and are willing to lose all decency for them. Anonymity can be a privilege, but the prospect of free speech somewhat compounds its annoyances.

A place for discussion on the internet rarely amounts to tangible and productive enterprise, at least in my own experience, but there is still a lot to be gained from this, when it comes to creativity. You can learn, educate, and actually improve yourself. I think with enough mature and reasonable posters here, everyone else might take the hint and at least try to improve their discussion abilities with actual contribution instead of just trolling around…

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I have been on this forum for some time now, first just a passive presence and reading along and later trying to contribute positively and interacting with the rest of the community here. There are some days when you just don't think its worth the time, but then again there are the rewards too.

I think if we have enough people here with views they can logically stand for and can just put words together that makes sense, I'd say that's as good as it gets.

Other newer members would follow suit, I am a true believer in the fact that every one has the right to his /her opinion. The best way to have your way is to convince and let others see your point of view. If you have converts you have got something, otherwise you have atleast let your point of view across, that's more than enough too.

Welcome to the forum my dear !

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311
Thanks for the welcome. I'll try to devote more time over here in the future.

Exams coming up. [(!]

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Good luck for the exams ! mind I ask what exams are those ?? aah,, just being nosy,,, Good luck, study smart and perform on your exams .
The last 3 ACCA core papers.

I am fairly comfortable with the business strategy and advanced corporate reporting papers. Just need to revise them once. SFM has been terrorising me a bit as of late. I really dont think the subject is very hard, but somehow my confidence is a bit shaken because of an expired refferal attempt due to personal reasons. I will still admit I lost a bit of commitment last year and chose to expend time to things ('socialising', my website, games etc...) which have absolutely no importance in the grand scheme of life. Could have cleared it a year ago. (I just turned 23 this year) Anyway...I'll have to take some time off from work. Its funny how oblivious people sometimes are of your needs. When I try to bring up the subject of leave for my exams, (even though I am sure I will get it a month in advance), they still think I am better off bringing my books to work and studying over there rather than at home. Compromises, lol.

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<br />The last 3 ACCA core papers.

I am fairly comfortable with the business strategy and advanced corporate reporting papers. Just need to revise them once. SFM has been terrorising me a bit as of late. I really dont think the subject is very hard, but somehow my confidence is a bit shaken because of an expired refferal attempt due to personal reasons. I will still admit I lost a bit of commitment last year and chose to expend time to things ('socialising', my website, games etc...) which have absolutely no importance in the grand scheme of life. Could have cleared it a year ago. (I just turned 23 this year) Anyway...I'll have to take some time off from work. Its funny how oblivious people sometimes are of your needs. When I try to bring up the subject of leave for my exams, (even though I am sure I will get it a month in advance), they still think I am better off bringing my books to work and studying over there rather than at home. Compromises, lol.

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It requires a herculian courage to re-appear in SFM (well done bro). It was the 'fear factor' that pushed me to pass this paper in first go.

There is no point regreting, you are still very young. Concentrate on the forthcoming attempt.

Best of luck!



"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."
Lets just say the only thing thats troubling me right now is the tremendous pressure from family, friends, colleagues etc)....have to get over it. Thanks anyway. [D]

I see that you are in the UK. Have you completed your training? Work permit? Would be nice to get some advice based on your experience, if you dont mind my curiosity.

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<br />Lets just say the only thing thats troubling me right now is the tremendous pressure from family, friends, colleagues etc)....have to get over it. Thanks anyway. [D]

I see that you are in the UK. Have you completed your training? Work permit? Would be nice to get some advice based on your experience, if you dont mind my curiosity.

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I can understand that.

It will be a pleasure if I can be of any help to you. Yes I have got 4 yrs (Business & Commercial) work permit (different from Training & Work experience permit).

Regards

"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."
Thats nice to know. Will try to get in touch once I get free. Want to know what the real scene is. Even though I try to be realistic most of the time, I still have a bit of that 'streets are paved with gold in the city of Oz' attitude in me. Maybe you guys with some real 'tangible' experience working in the profession outside the country could help me learn more. Thanks. )

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I'm being intentionally vague here, but i think there is a reason why the better contributors have been leaving - but this is something that doesn't seem to be a primary concern. getting more members is, and the former isn't even mentioned as far as i've seen. Keeping interesting people around is a big deal to me - or else i could end up getting bored too and drifting away (as could others). I don't want to offer any opinions of what should be done, especially since it's complicated - just want to publicly vent. If the best there is to do is to post in the Genral discussion, then that shows you how interesting the debate here has become.

I do tend to make things seem like they're overly dramatic though. I post less because i'm at work most of the day. it would be nice, though, to come home and spend some time participating in interesting/stimulating debate. That hasn't happened in a while though.. there have been some good moments though..

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