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- AvgJoe - 01-20-2005

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If u have a business of smuggling,beer etc then it means that u are earning haram money. although u are not drinking beer or u are not a drug addict but ur source of income is haram.if u give salary to all those people working under ur,then their salary will also be haram.
similiar is the case with bank.the main source of bank income is interest which is a big big sin and u as an employee of the bank help them to keep their business running.so u are also involved in haram thing.

Also there is general consensus among all the almas of pakistan that structure of all the banks in pakistan is based on haram money.
The reason why all the Almas around the world dont agree on single point regarding bank job is that the structure of the banks around the world is different.eg there are some banks in India in which all the earnings on ur deposits are halal.

bilal
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Dear Brother,

Do u have any Quranic verse, authentic hadees, Qiyas of the companions of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) or even the Qiyas (Logical Reasoning based upon Quran or Hadees) of an eminent Islamic Scholar or even the Qiyas of any local ulama, on the basis of which u made the following statement?

"If u have a business of smuggling,beer etc then it means that u are earning haram money. although u are not drinking beer or u are not a drug addict but ur source of income is haram.if u give salary to all those people working under ur,then their salary will also be haram."

Firstly, where does it say that earning money through smuggling is HARAM? Are u sure about that (coz I am not). Which Quranic verse, hadees, Qiyas etc refers to that? Secondly, where does any Quranic verse, hadees or Qiyas say that the salary of the poor people working under this guy is haram?

Although, I too think that such businesses are completely wrong morally. And I would do anything to get them stopped. But I wouldnt just brand the incomes of the poor people working in these busineses as HARAM (without any Islamic authenticity) just to STOP people from working in these busineses, so that these businesses get stopped.

Is this what the ulamas u refer to want? They want the businesses stopped, so they label the people working under them as earning HARAM income. But can they offer any concrete ISLAMIC PROOF to make a lame man beleive that this is INDeED HARAM ????

Do u think this is correct ? Just becoz, we want to see these businesses closed, doesnt mean we should MUTILIATE our religion & start brining things in it which SUIT US & our MOTIVES. Give a thought to this........what would be the difference between us & the christians. They too were given the bible, but they altered it to suit what they liked. Arent we doing the same? We are altering our religion to suit what we LIKE. Pretty soon, there wont be any distinction available as to what is INDEED Islam & what is just rubbish labelled as Islam.

This is why I emphasize on seeing an ISLAMIC proof, like a Quranic verse, hadees, Qiyas of the Suhaba etc before accepting anything as an Islamic LAW !! Wouldnt u like to see the constitution of Pakistan before accepting anything as a law? Just because a lawyer says something is against the law, doesnt mean that IT INDEED IS AGAINST THE LAW. The lawyer maybe wrong. You should ask the lawyer to show u the relevant citings, or the part of the constitution.

- farazthegreat - 01-20-2005

A hadees

"Hazrat Jabir radiyallahu anhu has reported that the Messenger of Allah sallallahu alaihe wasallm cursed the devourer of usury, its payer, its scribe and its two witnesses. He also said that they were equal (in sin)."

(Muslim)

I don't think that it applies to all the employees of banks, but it definately applies to some of them.

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A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

- AvgJoe - 01-21-2005

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A hadees

"Hazrat Jabir radiyallahu anhu has reported that the Messenger of Allah sallallahu alaihe wasallm cursed the devourer of usury, its payer, its scribe and its two witnesses. He also said that they were equal (in sin)."

(Muslim)

I don't think that it applies to all the employees of banks, but it definately applies to some of them.

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A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
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hmm...now we are getting somewhere. Faraz, thanks for posting this hadees. To date, I had never encountered any such hadees & if I am correct you say its from sahee Muslim? Can anyone else also post such ahadees, so that the forum members can be better informed about the issue.

You are right. This hadees does apply to "some" employees of the bank. But the question is, does it apply to ALL the workers of the bank ? I dont think that someone working in the AUDIT department (for instance) is doing a HARAM job according to this ahadees. any comments?

Also, the hadees mentions the "scribe" & the "witnesses". What if the scribe of the loan contract is a lawyer? Does that mean that being a corporate lawyer is also HARAM ?? Any views??????

Thanks for posting this.

- bilal azhar - 01-21-2005

Here is another Hadith"
"Holy prophet(PBUH) expressed curse upon not only the parties to interest transaction but also upon the writers of documents and the witnesses there of(MUSLIMKITAB-AL-BUY)

ARE bankers not writers of documents.if not who does that?

bilal

- yasirpervaiz - 01-23-2005

AOA sirs
I hav read in Quran tht any1 who recieves interests,pays and witnesses it being used in the transactions.....I 'll tell the reference later but do mind tht is 100% correct.... n all the banks and the jobs in it r interconnected with the interest stuff....

- AvgJoe - 01-23-2005

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AOA sirs
I hav read in Quran tht any1 who recieves interests,pays and witnesses it being used in the transactions.....I 'll tell the reference later but do mind tht is 100% correct.... n all the banks and the jobs in it r interconnected with the interest stuff....

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Well yasir, plz give us the references too so that we too can read them & be better informed individuals.