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- AvgJoe - 10-28-2004
Dear Pracs & SMR,
Yes, It might seem strange to u...that I am an "enlightened" muslim & still worried abt doom of Islam. I might not be the PERFECT muslim here...nor the PERFECT guy...to speak about Dr. Aamirs actions. But I beleive in a hadith
If u see something bad happening, stop it using ur hand, if u cant, then stop it using ur tongue...if u cant even do that...atleast think in UR HEART tht this things is wrong....thats the weakest stage of faith.
For example, watching TV might have been bad 50 yrs ago, but its perfectly acceptable & not a "SIN" today coz....ppl gradually stopped..condeming this in their hearts....No one amongsts us is a PERFECT MOLVI !!! If we all stop CONDEMNING .....and wait for someone perfect to condemn...there might come a time...when...even DRINKING would become acceptable in this country ! Thats one of the predictions for doomsday....People will stop thinking of the wrong thing as being WRONG....and thats what several ppl are doing....in the name of "modernization"
I cant really stop Dr. Aamir....but the least I could do is...that he is not doing "somethings" rite...and I can..use my TOUNGE to ....highlight that...Criticism is what keeps a SOCIETY in check & balance.....Perhaps...Dr. aamir might have the time to read all this....and change himself just a bit....that would make him an IDEAL figure...and thats what I want...Not to throw him out of business !
You in the UK, come out on the streets...when ur political or religious leader does sthg wrong....Dont we, ppl in Pak, even have the right to use a FORUM to critisize our leaders...and TV anchors....on their presentation of our religion ? Just coz...we arent....PERFECT...judges or PERFECT MUSLIMS? Who is ? The main role of Media..journalists...and Critics (like me)...is to keep the society & its citizens in check....by CRITISIZING !!
Btw, why are u concerned when u find out Tony Blair or George Bush have..made billions of dollars...through some shaddy deals as the president ? Or that when they do sthg wrong....U are not PERFECT...political leaders !! ...
Take Care
AvgJoe
- farazthegreat - 10-28-2004
First of all let me just say that I'm not a huge fan of Dr. Amir or his political party. I also think he talks too much.
On the other hand, I don't know how you got the impression that he is trying to "modernise" Islam. Besides, is having a beard what makes a person knowledgable? okay, it is a sunnah but only a beard does not make you a molvi. It's your thoughts and knowledge that make you who you are.
I have seen incidences that when people made such questions on the show as to "modernise" Islam he got pretty upset. Like one woman said that Hazrat khadija and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) sent each other gifts and messages (Na'uzu Billah) before getting married and when a guy asked that if one has relationship with a woman and later marries her is it okay. He got pretty angry at both of them.
By the way if you watch programs like "Alif" on GEO you WILL see people who would like to change Islam. There is this "Scholar", I can't remember his name, who says that there is no concept of Hijaab in Islam. He has a beard by the way and dresses in relatively simple clothes. Now these are the people we should stand up against and not poor old Amir Liaqat who may be a little annoying and show off but overall seems to be doing a good and informative show on TV.
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Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
Edited by - farazthegreat on Oct 28 2004 103902 PM
- Pracs - 10-28-2004
Avg Joe
I am sure no one on this forum is 'offended' or anything on those lines,. my point of view is that you do not like the idea of a clean shaven person reciting Duaas and Naats ? why may that be. or do u think that anyone who does not wear a beard is not 'pious' enough. my dear, people have been clean shaven in this part of the world for a hundred years now (muslims i meant) so that must not be an issue. I would trade a semi literate maulvi for a clean shaven enlightened muslim any day !
Don't worry what Musharaf is at is simply trying to bring the nation to an reasonableness and that's all. In Pakistan no one can ban scarfs, dupattas, beards etc.
About wearing good clothes, Dr. Liaqut's wardrobe is not good its 'flashy' but something of his personal choice. I can't understand how you can estimate the value of other 'maulvis' clothes by just looking at them ? or do you see beyond their clothes into their not so simple life styles.
By the way Islam has in no way restricted any muslim from wearing good clothes or finding a halal vocation ! even if it be reciting naats and duas on TV. Where does the exploitation come in, the Dr. is not even a memeber of a religious political party !(i am not an MQM fan either, but they do represent people and must be respected for that). I think these relegious party mullahs are the real exploiters of simple and poor people ! the way they won elections in NWFP on anti US / Afghan card.. well that is another story all together.
Please feel free to disect and discuss, you have more chances to post,so that we may understand and appreciate your point of view.
"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311
- AvgJoe - 10-28-2004
Dear Faraz & Pracs,
I dont advocate having beards or that religious leaders should have beards.Its Dr. aamirs personal matter & I never intend to interfere with the way how he dresses ! Its just that even if someone going on the street dressed so extravagantly...I would have thought of him as a show-off & attention demander. So I gave general comments about Dr. Aamir concerning that.
Pracs, Islam does guide us on how to dress "modestly" & within ethical values. As far as I know, the rich Arabs in the old days liked to wear these long..extravagant dresses which they liked dragging on the floor....whereas the peasants used to wear clothes till their knees or sthg. Our Holy Prophet (PBUH) instructed his followers not to that & this is perhaps the reason why...we are supposed to keep our pants above the "tuknaas" or whatever they are called...while praying...and generally in normal day life too. The sunnah, in this regard says
"And put on such dress that extravagance & arrogance do not mix-up"
Similarly, Islam also forbids men from wearing Silk or Gold, as this goes against their manly nature & demonstrates pomp & show. The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said
"Gold and silk have been made lawful for the female of my followers but unlawful for their males"
Islam also prohibts men from wearing flashy multi-colored clothes, as these are against the fundamental islamic concept of simplicity. It is reported that once a man dressed in bright red clothes passed by the Holy Prophet (PBUH) & saluted him but He did not respond because he disliked the sight of such a dress.
At another occasion, when he saw a companion wearing two clothes dyed in saffron, He said
"These are the clothes usually worn by the nonbeleivers, so do not wear them."
So you see, Islam does give us SOME GUIDELINES on how to dress. Islam is a complete code of life ! Dr. aamir being the host of a popular religious program should pay some attention to these Islamic teachings. Because people have started to Idealize him over here.
Please note that the above Sunnah & ahadith were taken from the rough notes of a research paper I wrote on "Modesty in Islam" 2-3 yrs ago.I remember trying to establish the accuracy of these ahadith back then..when I read them in a couple of books. But I really dont know how accurate the "wordings", "translation" or the entire ahadith are, coz I dont remember now. But I guess, you'll get the point.
Take care & Allah Hafiz
AvgJoe
- AvgJoe - 10-28-2004
Hi again,
Fraz you said that Dr. aamir "may be a little annoying and show off but overall seems to be doing a good and informative show on TV"
I agree with you on that. I too think that he is doing a good job & that such programs should be encouraged. I also said in the last post that, I dont want Dr. aamir to end his show or stop his livelihood or nethg. Just to change a bit.......When a critic reviews a movie, he tries to present u both the good & the bad aspects. Since, Dr. aamirs good aspects have already been elaborated on the forum, I just wanted to highlight a few shortcomings...The first message in this discussion pointed out that Dr. Aamir has been apointed as the minister for religious affairs & that I'll be closely watching that.Then someone said, Dr. aamir wont make any difference. I agree with that someone coz...I think he is just like any other political leader or "political-molvi".
If the MMA mullas exploited simple & poor people to win NWFP elections using the anti US / Afghan car....Dr. aamir has also used the "modernzation" & "moderatism" cards to win the hearts of our President & the middle-class...If the MMA mullas posses the power to exploit or mobolize the illiterate pathans of NWFP, Dr. aamir surely posses the same power to exploit or mobolize the so-called "educated" middle-class youth of Karachi. Take a stock of the feelings some people have on this forum about Dr. aamir. I wont be surprised if these people came on streets on the request of Dr. aamir ! That is potential exploitation of the masses I m afraid of....apart from the financial & political exploitation...which Dr. aamir is already doing.
Take Care,
AvgJoe
- Pracs - 10-29-2004
Avg joe.. i think we have u r views on the forum now and i do agree that a couple of posts later i undesrtand u r view point better. Just that you know, this is what poliyics is about,.. charisma, an issue closer to people's heart and the right timing... but then again that is the ingredients any leader or politician needs... I myself will be closely studying the doctor's tenure as a minister .... although I do not have high hopes for what he can do.... then again perhaps i may be wrong.. and i would like to be proved wrong....
You must agree that he has for the first time brought scholars from sunni and shia sects sitting close and at times agreeing to each other's point of view... that is a first and a positive thing. Plus this also shows that we do not have lot many differences on a lot of issues (shias and sunnis). Don't you think this is a bit of an achievement....?
Perhaps if similar shows and public gathering continue we will have some sort of civilised semblance in our much needed secretarian society.
"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311
- farazthegreat - 10-29-2004
hmmm....... so everybody seems to agree that the guy does a good job with the show. As far as his political ambitions are concerned, I do think that he might use his popularity to achive his goals. Just look at how Arnold Schwazneger (Hope that's the right spelling <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>) and Ronald Regan did it. But I think that in the end it comes down to what kind of a politician you are and your celebrity status may not play THAT big a role.
By the way AvgJoe, which school are you doing your A'Level from?
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Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
- Pracs - 10-30-2004
Glad to see that we are all agreeing on the core issues ! ofcourse I donot expect everybody to confirm with my views,.. that wouldn't be healthy at all.
"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311
- AvgJoe - 10-30-2004
Hi all,
AOA
Well I m happy that this discussion has ended with a happy ending !
<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>. Pracs, I totally agree with ur views....Dr. aamir is doing a gr8 job on his show & should be appreciated for it.I also hope that someday I am proved wrong abt him & his political career.
Take Care,
Allah Hafiz,
AvgJoe
- AvgJoe - 10-30-2004
Hi Faraz,
I am doing A-levels from Karachi Grammer school...Its here in Karachi, Pakistan. Did you do A-levels as well ?
Take Care,
AvgJoe
- Apocalypse - 10-31-2004
Yes he has done A-Levels from The City School 'Canada Branch' in only 1.5 years his result is
Maths-------A
Accounting--A
Urdu--------A
General-----A
- farazthegreat - 10-31-2004
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Yes he has done A-Levels from The City School 'Canada Branch' in only 1.5 years his result is
Maths-------A
Accounting--A
Urdu--------A
General-----A
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Replace Canada with Gulshan and the rest is fine.
By the way same goes for Apocalypse as well, just the grades weren't as good.<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
- AvgJoe - 10-31-2004
Hmm...What & from where are u guys studying now ?
- AvgJoe - 10-31-2004
By the way, how did u do A-levels in 1.5 yrs ?
- farazthegreat - 10-31-2004
Well, we did maths in one year, then the other three subjects in the next Nov. Then sat around for months doing pretty much nothing.
I came to Canada about two months ago and started at University of Toronto.
Apocalypse is studying at KU for Actuarial Science. And oh.... he sells "Hilal candies" in his spare time.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.