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- paki_power - 09-14-2005
can somebody explain me that why should I feel proud on being a pakistani...???????????? has the country given me anything about which I should be proud of..
- sajjad_dar2000 - 09-14-2005
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<br />can somebody explain me that why should I feel proud on being a pakistani...???????????? has the country given me anything about which I should be proud of..
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let me correct you...you shoul write 'can somebody explain me that why should I feel proud on being an INDIAN...???????????? has the country given me anything about which I should be proud of...'
this is why because you are an indian and you should be ashamed on being indian. visit following links
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/burnt2.jpg
Charred bodies of Muslim children... the real face of secular India
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/burnt1.jpg
Bodies of Muslim children burnt to death by Hindu fanatics.
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/burnt3.jpg
Muslim children doused with gasoline and set on fire by Hindus in India, "the world's largest democracy" .
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The bodies of dozens of burned innocent Muslim women and children
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Muslims doused with gasoline and set on fire by Hindus in India, "the world's largest democracy" ...
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/52riot_ahmadabad_ahsan_jafri.jpg
The name plate of Ahsan Jafri lies in the charred ruins of his house in Ahmedabad, India. Mr jafri, a prominent Muslim politician, was killed along with many others at his house by a violent Hindu mob while Indian police personnel present didn't do anything to stop the massacre.
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/charred%20bodies%203.jpg
The fate of Muslims in India...
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/ahmedabad_hindu_rioters.jpg
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/hindu%20terrorist.jpg
Hindu mother chod thirsting for Muslim blood
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http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/mob.jpg
Hindu mob burning Muslim property
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/sadhu%20and%20cop.jpg
Partners in crime, taking a break from the killing orgy ... A sadhu offers tea to a policeman in Ahmedabad on Saturday, March 02, 2002. â Reuters photo
More
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/gujarat%20pictures%201.htm
http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/gujarat%20pictures%202.htm
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http//indianterrorism.bravepages.com/gujarat%20pictures%204.htm
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- IBRAR_2180 - 09-14-2005
http//images.google.ie/images?q=pakistan+terrorism&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
See what images we have on the site.... Sajjad giving 10 link to sites of terror doesn't make us better in any way.. I have 100 of sites which make me feel remorse about my country. If its like u have ego to settle u can do but pointing terrorism in India or any other asian country is not going to make our image better.. the above link contains pic of osama and he is identified in pakistan by US now what we have to say about it.
- sawaira - 09-15-2005
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<br />http//images.google.ie/images?q=pakistan+terrorism&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
See what images we have on the site.... Sajjad giving 10 link to sites of terror doesn't make us better in any way.. I have 100 of sites which make me feel remorse about my country. If its like u have ego to settle u can do but pointing terrorism in India or any other asian country is not going to make our image better.. the above link contains pic of osama and he is identified in pakistan by US now what we have to say about it.
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india ki wakalat karnay tum her jaga poonch jatay ho...tumari wakalat kaarnay sai tum upnay country (india) ko badal nahi saktay
- Humaira - 09-15-2005
AOA,[)]
u r right sawaira...i am with u
Allah Hafiz[)]
" NOthing in this world can compansate for the loss of self-respect,nobleness of mind and self-honour "
- Humaira - 09-15-2005
AOA[)]
Guys aap ko ek kahani yaad ho gi jis main ek gadhay ko kahein say lion ki khaal mil jati hai aur woh us ko pehan ker pooray jangle main phirta rehata hai ...chotay saray janwar us say der jatay hain lakin akhir woh ek gadha tha apni asleeyat kab tak chupa sakta tha ....zoor zoor say DhINCHOO DHINCOO kernay laga ....
So believe me yeh ziyaada dair tak apni asleeyat chupa nahi sakta leave him with his lies ...n ignor him ...
Allah hafiz
" NOthing in this world can compansate for the loss of self-respect,nobleness of mind and self-honour "
- Pracs - 09-16-2005
Well said Humaira..
- Pracs - 09-17-2005
http//pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?showtopic=48849
<u><b>First Pakistani film festival launches next month</b></u>
Glasgow will play host to the UK's first Pakistani film, media and arts festival next month which will attempt to bring cutting edge films and art exhibitions under one roof.
Titled Pehlee Dharkan (first heartbeat), the film festival intends to inform audiences and the wider community on what film-making in Pakistan really has to offer.
Organisers say it allow them to savour the experience of a socially-engaged documentary/art-film sector, as well as the entertaining and cultish world of commercial cinema in Pakistan. It will take place from 13th to 25th September.
The artistic director, Alina Mirza, says "I think this is a wonderful opportunity to learn more about the film and indeed creative industries in Pakistan. There is a wealth of talent waiting to be discovered and showcased and we feel that this is a great way to achieve this.
"Pakistan has such a rich and living cultural heritage and being able to share this with the world is fantastic. The arts, as they relate to both Pakistan and the Pakistani diaspora, have crucial political relevance and this theme will be a major strand of the festival."
The festival will screen contemporary films from the budding independent cinema movement; have a retrospective of classic Pakistani films; show short films and documentaries on political, environmental and health issues in Pakistan; and broadcast some films made by British Asians.
Mirza added "We believe that this is just the start and look forward to more events such as this in the future. This is a curated festival, however I am also keen for filmmakers to contact us regarding their work."
Pehlee Durkan is also planning to facilitate a process for Pakistani and Scottish filmmakers to contact one another and work together through workshops, training and perhaps co-productions.
The Pakistani film industry is sometimes also referred to as 'Lollywood', as much of it is based in the Punjabi city of Lahore.
The festival will also feature two exhibitions at the Tramway Theatre
âBillboards Art of Lollywoodâ - showcasing the hand-painted film posters (oil on canvas) which are such an intrinsic part of the film industry in Pakistan.
âArt on Wheelsâ - a photography exhibition by Peter Grant of lavishly decorated trucks.
The ten-day event is being organised by Heer Productions, a film and cross-arts form company based in Glasgow, that works towards raising the profile of South Asian films, arts and artists in Scotland and the UK.
The company is also actively involved in engaging young people from ethnic minority communities and providing them with opportunities in film and the creative industries.
- Pracs - 09-17-2005
<u><b>Pakistan among top reformers</b></u>
<i><b>Nadeem Malik</b></i>
<b>Link http//jang.com.pk/thenews/</b>
ISLAMABAD It is easier to start up or wind up a business, hire and fire workers, in Pakistan than India, says a latest report of the World Bank.
The report Doing Business 2006 included Pakistan in one of the 12 top reformers in the world. The bank gives Pakistan an overall ranking of 60 on the basis of its score in 10 different indices, against 116 for India, 91 for China and 113 for Philippines out of the 155 economies studied. The annual publication of the bank is considered an important document that sets country rankings covering various aspects of doing business.
For Pakistan, the challenges of launching a business include 11 steps for entrepreneurs to launch a business over 24 days on average, at a cost equal to 18.6 percent of gross national income (GNI) per capita. There is no minimum deposit requirement to obtain a business registration number. For India, the number of steps remains 11, but it takes 71 days to go through this process, at a cost equal to 61.7 percent of GNI per capita. The regional average is 7 steps and 35 days to launch a business.
The time and cost required to resolve bankruptcies in Pakistan take 2.8 years and costs 4 percent of the estate value. The recovery rate, expressed in terms of how many cents on the dollar claimants recover from the insolvent firm is 44.33. In India, the process takes 10 years and costs 9 percent of the estate value. The recovery rate, expressed in terms of how many cents on the dollar claimants recover from the insolvent firm is 12.82.
The second benchmark deals with licenses. The steps, time, and costs of complying with licensing and permit requirements for ongoing operations in Pakistan are 12 steps and 218 days to complete the process, and costs 1,170.7 percent of income per capita. In India, it takes 20 steps and 270 days to complete the process, and costs 678.5 percent of income per capita.
The regional average is 195 days and 385.9 percent of income per capita. The difficulties that employers in Pakistan face in hiring and firing workers are Difficulty of Hiring Index 67; Difficulty of Firing Index 30; Rigidity of Hours Index 40; and Rigidity of Employment Index 46.
For India Difficulty of Hiring Index 56; Difficulty of Firing Index 90; Rigidity of Hours Index 40; and Rigidity of Employment Index 62. The regional average for Rigidity of Employment Index is 38.5.
The ease with which businesses can secure rights to property in Pakistan is five steps and 49 days to register property. The cost to register property there is 3.2 percent of overall property value. In India, it takes six steps and 67 days to register property. The cost to register property there is 8.9 percent of overall property value. The regional average is 6 steps and 124 days.
Measures on credit information sharing and the legal rights of borrowers and lenders in Pakistan are Legal Rights Index 4; Credit Information Index 4; Public registry coverage (percent adults) 0.3; Private bureau coverage (percent adults) 0.9. The Legal Rights Index ranges from 0-10, with higher scores indicating that those laws are better designed to expand access to credit. The Credit Information Index measures the scope, access and quality of credit information available through public registries or private bureaus. It ranges from 0-6, with higher values indicating that more credit information is available from a public registry or private bureau. For India these indices are Legal Rights Index 5; Credit Information Index 2; Public registry coverage (percent adults) 0; Private bureau coverage (percent adults) 1.7.
Investors' protection for Pakistan is described as follows transparency of transactions (Extent of Disclosure Index) 6; liability for self-dealing (Extent of Director Liability Index) 6; shareholders' ability to sue officers and directors for misconduct (Ease of Shareholder Suits Index) 7; and Strength of Investor Protection Index 6.3. The indexes vary between 0 and 10, with higher values indicating greater disclosure, greater liability of directors, greater powers of shareholders to challenge the transaction, and better investor protection. For India these indices are Extent of Disclosure Index 7; Extent of Director Liability Index 4; Ease of Shareholder Suits Index 7; and Strength of Investor Protection Index 6.
The effective tax that a medium size company in Pakistan must pay or withhold within a year is 32 payments, spend 560 hours, and pay 57.4 percent of gross profit in taxes. For India it is 59 payments, spend 264 hours, and pay 43.2 percent of gross profit in taxes.
The costs and procedures involved in importing and exporting a standardized shipment of goods in Pakistan are Documents for export (number) 8; Signatures for export (number) 10; Time for export (days) 33; Documents for import (number) 12; Signatures for import (number) 15; and Time for import (days) 39.
For India these rigidities are Documents for export (number) 10; Signatures for export (number) 22; Time for export (days) 36; Documents for import (number) 15; Signatures for import (number) 27; and Time for import (days) 43.
The ease or difficulty of enforcing commercial contracts in Pakistan involves 46 steps and 395 days to enforce contracts there. The cost of enforcing contracts is 35.2 percent of debt. For India, it takes 40 steps and 425 days to enforce contracts there. The cost of enforcing contracts is 43.1% of debt.
Overall the report ranked New Zealand as the easiest country in the world to do business with, followed by Singapore and the United States. Canada was fourth, followed by Norway in fifth spot. Australia was rated sixth, Hong Kong was seventh, Denmark eighth, the United Kingdom ninth and Japan was 10th. Pakistan was also among the 12 top reformers over the past year.
- Pracs - 09-22-2005
<b>More update on the wonder girl from Pakistan - Arfa Karim</b>
Arfa Karim's story is inspirational to a whole lot of people in Pakistan and around the world. At just 10 years old, Arfa Karim Randhawa, of Faisalabad, is one of the youngest Microsoft Certified Professionals(MCPs) in the world.
When S. Somasegar, corporate vice president, Developer Division,
Microsoft Corp learned about Arfa's accomplishments, he arranged a trip for her and her father to travel to Redmond to see Microsoft and its technologies up close.
"Arfa is such an inspiration to women and kids in technology, and really to everyone who learns of her story," Somasegar said. "Kids are gaining early access to technology, and she gives us insight into how people in emerging markets are using our technology. I thought it was important for her to come to Redmond to give her exposure to Microsoft and let her interact with people here. I hope to see her working here someday."
Arif peppered Bill Gates with questions about why there aren't many
women working at Microsoft and why there are no kids working at
Microsoft.
Her week on the Microsoft corporate campus has been a whirlwind of tours and meetings. The highlight, she says, was meeting Bill Gates. In the 10 minutes they spent together, she peppered him with questions about why there aren't many women working at Microsoft and why there are no kids working at Microsoft.
S. Somasager, corporate vice president, Developer Division, Microsoft
Corp. met with Arfa. He helped arrange the trip from Pakistan.
"Meeting Mr. Bill Gates is my dream come true," she says. "My friends
back home didn't believe that I was going to the United States, and that I was going to visit Microsoft. When I show them the picture of me with Mr. Bill Gates, I will be able to prove that I did."
Just like she proved to them that she could retain her status as first
in her school class while attending just over one-third of the school
days. Since Arfa earned her MCP and was recognized by Microsoft, she has been traveling throughout Pakistan speaking at developer conferences,but clearly it hasn't hurt her school performance.
Arfa is well-spoken and poised beyond her years â but still in some ways a typical 10-year-old year girl. Even though she writes poetry (she presented Bill Gates with a poem), sings (she recorded a song at
Microsoft Studios), she still tells silly jokes and likes trendy
clothes.
Her visit to Microsoft was part of her first trip outside Pakistan. She says most of it looks like what she has seen in American movies, but notes the wide, smooth roads, the green trees and the 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' signal lights at intersections. She's partial to Pakistani food but developed a deep fondness for the Microsoft cafeterias' curly fries.
"They're spicy," she says.
She was pleasantly surprised by the casual atmosphere at Microsoft, and she thought Bill Gates' office would be "extraordinary," but noted that it's in a building just like everyone else's.
Does she want to move to the United States?
"Probably not. Pakistan is my home, and I love it. I would like to live there, and control something here in the United States. I would also visit the U.S. often."
What future product would she develop? "Doors" â to follow Windows, of
course. She explains what the product would look like "You would open
one large door and inside would be a variety of rooms, which would house different applications. It would be more like a game. Kids will love it."
Another idea of hers computer-run cars that would allow drivers to
sleep on their way to work â thus increasing their productivity. The cars, she says, will be full of Microsoft technology, including .NET
chips and video cameras that will figure out the best route to take
avoiding traffic. The cars would also allow users to take their tea and eat meals in these cars. She thinks every Microsoft employee should get one free.
Umaimah Mendhro, product manager, Platform Strategy Group, and native of Pakistan, served as a mentor to Arfa during her campus visit oft and spent much of the week with her. Arfa plans to stay in touch with her,and Mendhro says she'd love to watch Arfa grow.
"I hope she continues to grow her strengths, not be afraid to make
mistakes and learn from failure as much as success," Mendhro said.
"Given where she is today, she has the opportunity to serve as a role
model for kids around the world who get to know her story. I can't wait to see what kinds of amazing things she's going to do in the future."
- label - 09-23-2005
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<br />AOA[)]
Guys aap ko ek kahani yaad ho gi jis main ek gadhay ko kahein say lion ki khaal mil jati hai aur woh us ko pehan ker pooray jangle main phirta rehata hai ...chotay saray janwar us say der jatay hain lakin akhir woh ek gadha tha apni asleeyat kab tak chupa sakta tha ....zoor zoor say DhINCHOO DHINCOO kernay laga ....
So believe me yeh ziyaada dair tak apni asleeyat chupa nahi sakta leave him with his lies ...n ignor him ...
Allah hafiz
" NOthing in this world can compansate for the loss of self-respect,nobleness of mind and self-honour "
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In English anybody!?!?![(!]
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- label - 09-23-2005
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pracs</i>
<br />Proud to be a Pakistani, it is us who make the nation, just because of a few scum bags, who give our great nation a bad name, can we not allow it to be take hostage and have her name bantered all over.
I am actually sick of hearing people bad mouthing their own country, its time we wake up and actually understand and feel responsible for what we say about our country. Just look across the borders all four sides,. have any one heard an Iranian bad mouth Iran, they eat your head of singing praises to their Zooristarian past and great Persia ! Arabs I don't need to tell any one how proud they are of being an Arab, Chinese... well they are Chinese, the Indians, they have a zillion castes, have monkeys, buffalos, dogs even pigs littering their streets, poverty, a zillion people living below the poverty line, ........ but never heard one bad mouthing India.. to them its mother earth. and us Pakistanis ! if we don't respect us, no one repects us.
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Pracs, I disagree it is not unpatriotic to disagree with what is happening in your country. I think it is actually human to disagree with the policies/ people that you do not see to eye with.
I know of people, be they Indian, Arab, Chinese that are disatisfied with the current situation in "their" countries. They live in the UK - so how satisfied are they likely to be with their country?
I do not feel I am patriotic/ unpatriotic about my country, I am however prepared to voice the conncerns that I have about the people, policies that I disagree with or do not like. In doing so, I do not like/ dislike my country but would like to see certain action be taken to better it.
Sajjad,
Why would you taunt someone with posts about "their country" and expect them to feel ashamed sorry - is he responsible for the events in his country?????
I think you fall into dangerous ground when you become tunnel visioned and only see the good in your country. By not voicing your siatisfaction, you are in a way allowing the current situation to continue. (I said in a way, in some cases the disatisfaction be it voiced or actioned will not make a difference)
These comments are in no way meant as derogatory comments about any country or Pakistan - I feel I need to learn a little more before making any such comments.
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- Pracs - 09-24-2005
Label, no offence taken ! I guess it takes both kinds, Optimists as well as Pessimists. I do not deny the fact that a lot is wrong in our country and there is an urgent need to fix stuff, some of it on urgent basis. But the thing is, we have no reason to be 'ASHAMED to be a Pakistani'. This thread was in response to a thread on the said topic started by another member of the forum. There can be a lot of things wrong with your country but I am sure they cannot make you less of a person, by being ashamed of who you are !
I believe that living in another country does not make it reason enough to be 'disgusted' with how things are in one's own country. That may be true for some people, pro democracy Chinese living in exile, or anti imperialist Arabs, etc. but I think that is not the case with us Pakistanis ! I guess the only prosecuted Pakistanis in exile are the Ex Prime ministers and an oppositon leader (you know who).
I believe that as long as you are optimistic and proud to be who you are you can do alot for your kind, make some kind of a positive contribution, God willing. Anyways that is what I believe in and have elaborated on this earlier on this thread.
However, as a matter of Pride I will keep on posting stuff about Pakistan that makes me Proud, and hopefully we'll have some converts. Fair enough !
"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311
- tahir.rauf - 09-25-2005
PROUD TO B PAKISTANI every one of us does proud to be pakistani;but as a matter of fact most of the paple who go abroad are illiterate and they go there for jobs n they do,ncare for their country,s image n just spoil it all over. i think this is the main reason,when qualified persons will start travelling to other countries they will revive pak,s image.i do,nt mean that now there r not qualified paki peaple abroad i man to say is that majority r not qualified.
ALLAH HAFIZ N PAKISTAN LIVE LONG
you can contact the author at tahir.rauf@hotmail.com.author is doing inters in a CA firm in DUBAI
- Pracs - 10-18-2005
http//nation.com.pk/special/us-com/page56.htm
<u><b>Pakistani teen wins prestigious award </b> </u>
Adil Shabbir- a Muslim teen from Stilwell Kansas was recently selected by the National Leadership Forum
on Law. Adil Shabbir is the son of Syed Farrukh Shabbir, M.D. and Mahnaz Shabbir . Adil Shabbir is a junior at Blue Valley High School. Adil's accomplishments include being on the Principal List, earning Academic Letter and Bar for each year in High School and is an Eagle Scout. Adil has been selected previously for other leadership programs including the National Conference for Community and Justice Anytown Program and the Overland Park Youth Leadership Program. bwest@nylf.org
Mr.Adil Shabbir of Stilwell was recently selected to participate in the National Youth Leadership Forum on Law (NYLF/LAW) from Tuesday, February 10 to Sunday, February 15, 2004 in Washington D.C. Having demonstrated academic achievement and an interest in the legal profession, Shabbir will join approximately 350 outstanding high school juniors and seniors from across the United States at the Forum on Law. "Through intensive simulations, Adil Shabbir will have the opportunity to exercise the skills used by Supreme Court justices who rule on key issues facing our country today and the esteemed legal teams that argue on behalf of and against those issues," said Donna Synder, executive director of the NYLF. "Because our legal system plays a vital role in our daily lives, the National Youth Leadership Forum on Law offers students the opportunity to learn directly from partners at law firms, criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors, as well as professors and other experts of the legal profession. This is where the future for many students begins to take shape."The curriculum for NYLF/LAW is based on actual events, which allows its participants to learn from the examples set by attorneys of law and court officials from municipal court to the U.S. Supreme Court.
The process encourages participants to develop perspective and resolve. Throughout the Forum, students will examine how court cases often change the legal system.In the past, NYLF/LAW has visited several law firms and area courthouses, including the District of Columbia Courts of Appeals, District of Columbia Superior Court and various county circuit courts. The program has also included visits to some of our nation's most prestigious law schools, including University of Maryland School of Law, Washington College of Law at American University and Howard University School of Law. NYLF is a nonprofit, educational organization committed to empowering young people to make well-informed career choices. For additional information, visit us at www.nylf.org