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- romius - 04-29-2010
Toronto_Boy, thank you for reply. Do you know any Canadianâs forums where professionals with CFA designation (or candidates) are communicating?
Thank you
- Toronto_Boy - 05-02-2010
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<br />Toronto_Boy, thank you for reply. Do you know any Canadianâs forums where professionals with CFA designation (or candidates) are communicating?
Thank you
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Many Canadian CFA candidates appear on Analyst Forum.
http//www.analystforum.com/phorums/index.php?23
- Toronto_Boy - 05-02-2010
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<br />Hi Toronto boy,
Thanks for setting up this forum, its very informative for accountants who would like to work in canada.
Is ICMA certification valid in Canada?
Best regards,
Citi girl
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I don't know which country's ICMA you are asking about. Canada has its own management accounting association i.e. CMA Canada. After new legislation of Bill 158, which is currently under process, designated CA's and CMA's from any other country would become unable to write their designations even on resume, in order to protect consumers in Ontario.
Search Bill 158 for accountants in Ontario.
Regards
- romius - 05-04-2010
to Toronto_Boy.
thanks a lot!
- syedakif110 - 05-04-2010
@ Toronto_boy
Sir, I am an ACCA Member and UK Graduate. I have 4 years of experience in small private firms during my studies. Nowadays, i am very depressed with my progress because i was applied in big 4 firms in pakistan and i was not selected for any one of big 4 firms, now i decided to move to canada, i think i lack in communication skills, sir, plz tell me weather i will find any opportunity in canada because i am desperately want to earn-
SIR PLZ GUIDE ME--- I AM VERY UPSET NOW A DAYS-- BECAUSE I WAS CLEARED ACCA IN FIRST ATTEMPT AND I HAVE HARD TO FIND JOB IN PAKISTAN--- WEATHER IT'S EASY TO FIND JOB IN CANADA--
- Toronto_Boy - 05-05-2010
Dear Akif
I am not a fortune teller. I don't know anything about future events or someone's destiny. Only Allah knows that. So, I cannot tell you whether you would get an opportunity in Canada or not. Sorry my friend.
Immigrants generally find Canada much more difficult than their home countries in terms of job opportunities, due to many reasons.
However, I personally believe that every person should do hardwork and leave the result on God. Also, one should try his luck.
Decision is yours.
I think you have asked the similar questions on another thread. http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8369
Regards
- usmansss - 05-18-2010
hi toronto boy
i am planning to apply for imigartion to canda , i need to know how much point is given to ACCA member with 2 year bachelores
- Toronto_Boy - 05-20-2010
Dear
I don't know. Please ask this question from any immigration consultant, expert, or any other ACCA member who has applied under similar situation.
You may ask at the following website too.
http//www.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5&title=for-chc-islamabad-applicants
Regards
- fundago - 05-31-2010
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Toronto_Boy</i>
<br />Though many points of this post have already been mentioned in another thread, but I think it is important to mention these again in totally separate and dedicated thread. The objective of this post is to provide some guidance for career planning to aspiring students and other interested people from immigration to Canada or Australlia point of view, and particularly NOT to start CA vs ACCA debate. Reasoning provided is based on personal Canadian experience and observations spreaded over almost a decade.
First I just wanna say that I am not against Pakistani CA or CMA designations, but the point here is that a student should also see future aspects of designation from working in foreign countries point of view or for immigration purposes. Though Pakistani designations are very well respected in back home but in Canada, UK, USA, or Australlia these designations are not recognized and do not provide much benefits/exemptions. Though with Pakistani designations, a person can get immigration to a western country, but chances to get a good job are really bleak as each country accepts its own designations. Atleast this is true in Canada.
ACCA, CIMA (UK), CFA, and CMA(IMA) are the designations that can be taken in Pakistan and provide very important advantage over Pakistani CA/CMA, as these have mutual recognition agreements with Canadian designations (i.e. CGA, CMA). CIMA(UK)has MRA with Candian CMA. ICAEW CA has MRA with Canadian CA. ACCA has MRA with CGA. CFA is truly global, without any other competing local designation in any country, 100% accepted and highly respected in Canada.
ACCA has mutual recognition agreement (MRA) with CGA (one of 3 Canadian designations) as well as CPA (Australlia). It means if a student in Pakistan gets ACCA then he/she can very easily (infact with minimal efforts) get Canadian CGA or Australlian CPA. So that student can get immigration to Canada or Australlia. And I tell you that if a person enters into Canada or Australlia with CGA or CPA (which are their own designations), would not find difficulty in these countries in finding jobs. Canada is a country that attracts about 300,000 highly skilled and professional immigrants each year from all over the world that includes Pakistani accountants too. Some parts of Canada like Montreal are dominantly French speaking, which is 2nd official language besides English. So, Pakistani professionals don't find work in those parts just because of not knowing French. Thus, their job market shrinks to English speaking cities/provinces. Also, each of 3 Canadian accounting associations (i.e. CGA, CMA, CA) has more than 50,000 members (total more than 150,000). Accounting graduates of Canadian universities and colleges (who are educated and broughtup here and get the big chunk of jobs as they know the system better than new Pakistani immigrants and had more opportunities to enter job market), as well as members of other global accounting bodies like US CPA, CMA(IMA), ACCA, ICAEW, Indian/Chinese CAs are over and above 150,000 Canadian designated accountants, thus, make the situation worse. Also, Canada's population is about 30,000,000 (3 Karor only). Further, Canadian employers require and prefer Canadian designations and Canadian work experience. Thus, job market is highly competitive and Pakistani designations holders find difficulties in finding good jobs quickly that are at same level of their previous jobs. Means they don't find the same level of good jobs they have been doing in Pakistan or Middle East previously before immigration. Age, family and financial responsibilities further increase obstacles after immigration. I have seen many Pakistani CAs and CMAs, with very good accounting experiences, struggling in finding even low paying jobs in Canada and eventually applying for exemptions for Canadian designations and then studying again for years to get Canadian designations or working for US CPA/ CMA. With their families, full time work and age, people find very difficult to take expensive courses and fulfill required experience. So it becomes hard to finish designation in new country. It takes years of endurance and commitment. The reason of telling all this is NOT to scare you people, but a fact realization and to ask for PLAN AHEAD and do some career planning in early life. It would save your time, energies, resources, and efforts later. Just a side note With all difficulties, Pakistanies are flourishing in all fields and every sphere of Canadian society. They are Member of Parliment (MPs), advisor to Prime Minister, MPPs, Counsilors, Lawyers, accountants, doctors, engineers, in govt. jobs, armed forces, police, foreign services etc. Infact, Pakistan ranks 5th in terms of Canadian immigration and almost 10,000 Pakistanis immigrate to Canada each year. Canada requires 3 years (actually, 1080 days) to live on Canadian soil before applying for citizenship, that usually takes less than a year. So, an immigrant becomes Canadian citizen in less then 4 years.
So prospective students and interested people in Pakistan should plan ahead. In my view, if a person in Pakistan can afford to do ACCA and wants to move to EU, Australlia, Canada, and eventually to USA, should do ACCA. Its also an indirect way to move to USA (in long run) and so many Pakistani, Indians, Chinese and other nationals opt this way. With ACCA, get Canadian immigration and citizenship in 4 years (3 plus 1 year waiting for oath), get Canadian CGA through MRA with ACCA, get a good job and Canadian experience, and after 4 years move to USA. During these 4 years one can get US CPA or CMA (IMA), or even without US CPA or CMA, just get a job in USA and move after 4 years based on Canadian experience and designation. Canadian designations are legally acceptable to get a job and TN visa in USA. I have seen designated accountants from asian countries including Pakistan who worked in Middle East and due to several reasons eventually moved to Canada, found diffilties in finding jobs here. What is the benefit if a student spend money, time and endless efforts in getting Pakistani designations and 10 years down the road realizes to immigrate to western countries, starts studies again at the age of 40 in new country. Rather than this way, save time, efforts, and money, do ACCA in Pakistan (in your home when dad is paying), get new country's designation through mutual recognition agreement (MRA), get immigration and citizenship, and get a job. Even that student can complete remaining courses of ACCA in new country if he/she moves before completing ACCA as ACCA courses can be taken in any country including Canada, Australlia, USA, and Middle East, and then get new country's designation using MRA.
Moreover, remember Pakistani CA or CMA results are highly market demand related. See how many members they have as of today, which means only limited number of fortunate people could successfully finish Pakistani CA or CMA. All others only did articleship or some papers or levels. What is the benefit if a student with all necessary efforts does not pass or doesn't get certificate or charter. I am quite sure many of the students of Pakistani CA or CMA are quite capable of completing ACCA, CMA (IMA), or CFA, as even with low passing rates, these designations usually do not fail a student just to restrict market supply of graduates.
CIMA(UK) also has MRA with Canadian CMA.
NO doubt, CFA is really a global designation, without a competitor, acceptable and respected everywhere in the world, but different from accounting, and comparatively more difficult than other global accounting designations.
Again, let me say that this is just my opinion based on years of experience and what I saw here. It is for those students who wanna go to western countries and get a good job and experience quickly. So they can plan ahead. I don't mean to disrespect Pakistani designations or to start totally unnecessary debate of comparing designations. I am neither ACCA nor studying for it. My intention is just to show some options to interested people who wanna come abroad and get a good job and experience. So please don't get the wrong message.
Best Wishes
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- fundago - 05-31-2010
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Toronto_Boy</i>
<br />Though many points of this post have already been mentioned in another thread, but I think it is important to mention these again in totally separate and dedicated thread. The objective of this post is to provide some guidance for career planning to aspiring students and other interested people from immigration to Canada or Australlia point of view, and particularly NOT to start CA vs ACCA debate. Reasoning provided is based on personal Canadian experience and observations spreaded over almost a decade.
http//www.funda.go.ro/index.html<font color="red"></font id="red">
First I just wanna say that I am not against Pakistani CA or CMA designations, but the point here is that a student should also see future aspects of designation from working in foreign countries point of view or for immigration purposes. Though Pakistani designations are very well respected in back home but in Canada, UK, USA, or Australlia these designations are not recognized and do not provide much benefits/exemptions. Though with Pakistani designations, a person can get immigration to a western country, but chances to get a good job are really bleak as each country accepts its own designations. Atleast this is true in Canada.
ACCA, CIMA (UK), CFA, and CMA(IMA) are the designations that can be taken in Pakistan and provide very important advantage over Pakistani CA/CMA, as these have mutual recognition agreements with Canadian designations (i.e. CGA, CMA). CIMA(UK)has MRA with Candian CMA. ICAEW CA has MRA with Canadian CA. ACCA has MRA with CGA. CFA is truly global, without any other competing local designation in any country, 100% accepted and highly respected in Canada.
http//www.funda.go.ro/index.html<font color="red"></font id="red">
ACCA has mutual recognition agreement (MRA) with CGA (one of 3 Canadian designations) as well as CPA (Australlia). It means if a student in Pakistan gets ACCA then he/she can very easily (infact with minimal efforts) get Canadian CGA or Australlian CPA. So that student can get immigration to Canada or Australlia. And I tell you that if a person enters into Canada or Australlia with CGA or CPA (which are their own designations), would not find difficulty in these countries in finding jobs. Canada is a country that attracts about 300,000 highly skilled and professional immigrants each year from all over the world that includes Pakistani accountants too. Some parts of Canada like Montreal are dominantly French speaking, which is 2nd official language besides English. So, Pakistani professionals don't find work in those parts just because of not knowing French. Thus, their job market shrinks to English speaking cities/provinces. Also, each of 3 Canadian accounting associations (i.e. CGA, CMA, CA) has more than 50,000 members (total more than 150,000). Accounting graduates of Canadian universities and colleges (who are educated and broughtup here and get the big chunk of jobs as they know the system better than new Pakistani immigrants and had more opportunities to enter job market), as well as members of other global accounting bodies like US CPA, CMA(IMA), ACCA, ICAEW, Indian/Chinese CAs are over and above 150,000 Canadian designated accountants, thus, make the situation worse. Also, Canada's population is about 30,000,000 (3 Karor only). Further, Canadian employers require and prefer Canadian designations and Canadian work experience. Thus, job market is highly competitive and Pakistani designations holders find difficulties in finding good jobs quickly that are at same level of their previous jobs. Means they don't find the same level of good jobs they have been doing in Pakistan or Middle East previously before immigration. Age, family and financial responsibilities further increase obstacles after immigration. I have seen many Pakistani CAs and CMAs, with very good accounting experiences, struggling in finding even low paying jobs in Canada and eventually applying for exemptions for Canadian designations and then studying again for years to get Canadian designations or working for US CPA/ CMA. With their families, full time work and age, people find very difficult to take expensive courses and fulfill required experience. So it becomes hard to finish designation in new country. It takes years of endurance and commitment. The reason of telling all this is NOT to scare you people, but a fact realization and to ask for PLAN AHEAD and do some career planning in early life. It would save your time, energies, resources, and efforts later. Just a side note With all difficulties, Pakistanies are flourishing in all fields and every sphere of Canadian society. They are Member of Parliment (MPs), advisor to Prime Minister, MPPs, Counsilors, Lawyers, accountants, doctors, engineers, in govt. jobs, armed forces, police, foreign services etc. Infact, Pakistan ranks 5th in terms of Canadian immigration and almost 10,000 Pakistanis immigrate to Canada each year. Canada requires 3 years (actually, 1080 days) to live on Canadian soil before applying for citizenship, that usually takes less than a year. So, an immigrant becomes Canadian citizen in less then 4 years.
http//www.funda.go.ro/index.html<font color="red"></font id="red">
So prospective students and interested people in Pakistan should plan ahead. In my view, if a person in Pakistan can afford to do ACCA and wants to move to EU, Australlia, Canada, and eventually to USA, should do ACCA. Its also an indirect way to move to USA (in long run) and so many Pakistani, Indians, Chinese and other nationals opt this way. With ACCA, get Canadian immigration and citizenship in 4 years (3 plus 1 year waiting for oath), get Canadian CGA through MRA with ACCA, get a good job and Canadian experience, and after 4 years move to USA. During these 4 years one can get US CPA or CMA (IMA), or even without US CPA or CMA, just get a job in USA and move after 4 years based on Canadian experience and designation. Canadian designations are legally acceptable to get a job and TN visa in USA. I have seen designated accountants from asian countries including Pakistan who worked in Middle East and due to several reasons eventually moved to Canada, found diffilties in finding jobs here. What is the benefit if a student spend money, time and endless efforts in getting Pakistani designations and 10 years down the road realizes to immigrate to western countries, starts studies again at the age of 40 in new country. Rather than this way, save time, efforts, and money, do ACCA in Pakistan (in your home when dad is paying), get new country's designation through mutual recognition agreement (MRA), get immigration and citizenship, and get a job. Even that student can complete remaining courses of ACCA in new country if he/she moves before completing ACCA as ACCA courses can be taken in any country including Canada, Australlia, USA, and Middle East, and then get new country's designation using MRA.
http//www.funda.go.ro/index.html<font color="red"></font id="red">
Moreover, remember Pakistani CA or CMA results are highly market demand related. See how many members they have as of today, which means only limited number of fortunate people could successfully finish Pakistani CA or CMA. All others only did articleship or some papers or levels. What is the benefit if a student with all necessary efforts does not pass or doesn't get certificate or charter. I am quite sure many of the students of Pakistani CA or CMA are quite capable of completing ACCA, CMA (IMA), or CFA, as even with low passing rates, these designations usually do not fail a student just to restrict market supply of graduates.
http//www.funda.go.ro/index.html<font color="red"></font id="red">
CIMA(UK) also has MRA with Canadian CMA.
NO doubt, CFA is really a global designation, without a competitor, acceptable and respected everywhere in the world, but different from accounting, and comparatively more difficult than other global accounting designations.
Again, let me say that this is just my opinion based on years of experience and what I saw here. It is for those students who wanna go to western countries and get a good job and experience quickly. So they can plan ahead. I don't mean to disrespect Pakistani designations or to start totally unnecessary debate of comparing designations. I am neither ACCA nor studying for it. My intention is just to show some options to interested people who wanna come abroad and get a good job and experience. So please don't get the wrong message.
Best Wishes http//www.funda.go.ro/index.html<font color="red"></font id="red">
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- muk_cbm - 06-12-2010
No doubt you explained things very articulately, I would appreciate your response as an MBA should not it be better for me to first get the immigration to canada and then directly do their canadian or american management accounting qualification as I am also cfa level 1 qualified but donot want to persue career in financial service and looking to get an accounting qualification?
- Toronto_Boy - 06-15-2010
Dear
Almost all of immigrants to Canada under professional category are already highly qualified (like MBAs, Engineers etc.) from their home countries, but find difficulties after landing here due to not having Canadian education.
This thread was written with the objective of utilization of time for Canadian education while living in home country. So, if one wanna persue accounting designation in Canada may utilize time in home country. However, choices are always subject to personal preferences.
So, choice is yours. I hope it helps.
Regards
- arsenal.gooner - 06-15-2010
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<br />No doubt you explained things very articulately, I would appreciate your response as an MBA should not it be better for me to first get the immigration to canada and then directly do their canadian or american management accounting qualification as I am also cfa level 1 qualified but donot want to persue career in financial service and looking to get an accounting qualification?
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if you are interested in accounting and want to move to canada... do acca or cima here in Pakistan and then claim reciprocal membership of CGA or IMA (canada). CImA would be a better option since you are MBA and cima focuses on management accounting. Also, IMA has more worth and acceptance in Canada then CGA (i deduced this fact from the views and perceptions at different forums. i have never been to canada and therefore can only speak through the knowledge i have through these forums)
Adios
- rad786 - 06-23-2010
Dear Toronto_Boy
I am thinking of migrating to Canada, but am really nervous that I'll be unemployed for several months if I do accepted for immigration. Really need to ask you some questions. Some background about myself
I am a US CPA, with US bachelors and masters degrees. I have a total of seven years works experience in accounting, of which two were specifically in audit (E&Y) and five are in accounting.
My questions
1. I know I have to sit for the CARE to qualify for the Canadian CA, but will I be granted the CA desigantion given that I only have two years of audit experience?
2. Assuming I don't get the CA designation, how easy (or hard) is it for a US CPA with US work experience to get a job in Canada?
Doesn't matter how well-qualified anyboy is, starting a new life in a foreign country is extremely difficult. Appreciate any advice that you can give.
Regards.
- Toronto_Boy - 06-25-2010
Dear rad786
As you said, starting a new life in new country is not easy. But I think your case is quite strong as you would be moving from US and have US experience. You may sort out details of CARE with CICA. If you are currently in States, you may start job hunting/ phone interviews from there.
Canadian job market is more difficult, less paying, and having more taxes as compared to States. But again, in my view, you should be fine due to US experience and qualification, except initial transitional moving difficulties.
Good Luck and Regards