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- kamranACA - 03-06-2010
Great Khans
I really appreciate your last post where you have nicely discussed a part of history, its logical comparison and some facts about so-called newspaper. BTW, I also know such newspapers in depth so could not help laughing. These newspapers (which donât contain any news) are in fact published for blackmailing purposes; and you have rightly pointed it out with a real life example.
We Pakistanis (probably all third world people) have a problem of declaring the others as nefarious, sinful, malicious and kaafirs etc MERELY, if something logical is questioned or if the basis of some belief or disbelief is inquired. A simple difference of opinion with our so-called Ulema (who are normally parrots) on some controversial issue can make you to be grouped in the category of non-muslims and kaafirs; and the very first category you would be grouped in is Qadiyani or Lahori etc. (Allah Reham Karey).
Our problem is that, we at large (including myself) donât much know about our religion, our history, clear message of Allah, what historically has been practiced, how we evolved as a nation, what other nations conceived from us, what we conceived from others, what threats we have, what threats others have from us, what strengths of our religion and our nation (as Muslims) can be presented to others for converting them to Islam.
Majority does not realize that we donât even know our complete history that is not far sighted. We donât know in all details that what has been happening after the WISAAL of Prophet Peace Be Upon Him, and how our nation has been led to in subsequent times. What allegations âkaafirsâ and âmunaafeqeenâ made and what are the exact replies. We simply know how to fire own properties and loot / destroy the assets of our own people while agitating against Denmark (or even against our own sub-sects) or to declare people like Rushdi as WAJAB-UL-QATAL or ban any stuff produced by our enemies (like Rushdi) in our country etc; but we donât know what are the replies to the ill-mannered allegations of others like Denmark or Rushdi or others etc.
We donât feel that firing out properties (doing other heinous things in its hide) banning what others say or publish and declaring others as WAJAB-UL-QATAL will not benefit us at all. Rather, it is and has since been portraying our wrong and ugly picture to others and is becoming a basis of hatred for us. We and our so-called Ulema donât realize this. This is what we are.
We donât believe in progression in the way we should, since we are the nation that carries the last message of Allah. We are so low, deteriorated, bifurcated, internally destroyed (due to lot of differences and deceptions), backward, ill-mannered, timid, technically / economically / financially / socially illiterate and outdated. Aur kamal yeh hai keh we never worry for it as a nation. Here âweâ includes we and our so-called Ulema from whom we have to get the âlightâ; a ray of hope; and who presumably (I âpersonallyâ donât believe in this presumption though, due to the class we have) are responsible to make the humanity better, improved, faithful, well mannered, united, progressive; so that finally the leaders of the mankind can be evolved.
â¦â¦âSabaq phir parh sadaqat ka, adalat ka, shujaat kaâ¦â¦
â¦â¦Liya jaaey ga tujh say kaam dunya ke imaamat kaââ¦â¦
We are too concerned for âDUNYA KE IMAAMATâ (that in fact is what Allah desires from muslims), but we altogether ignore the ingredients which make a nation to reach at such point.
These are definitely-
âsadaqatâ; I am sorry to say at the moment we as a nation are most fabricators and liars.
âAdalatâ; we use to pull out our senior and independent judges by gripping at their hairs and ties; we are a nation where decisions are taken in the manner GREAT KHAN described in his post.
âShujaatâ; Yeh lafaz, if used for our nation (at this moment), tu iss lafaz ke tauheen hai. Shujaat requires research, technical advancement, development, education, openness, developing required strengths, and then coming up at the level jahaan Allah dushmano kay dil main hamara raob daal day. Certainly we are not living in the era of those who were like the stars. We have to do us at our own and Allah has given us every thing to do it.
How come we deserve to be IMAAMS (leaders / conquerors / winners / emperors) of the world so that Allah aur Allah kay deen ko implement kar sakain.
Ghazva-e-Hind tu zaroor ho ge; laikan kia zaroori hai keh ham jaisey jaahalon aur bay-amlon kay haathon say ho ge?
We can only do what we are seeing from ages; and even what we are seeing at this thread.
I just recall the âfish marketâ. Great Khans, nice words selected my friend.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
- rabia-k - 03-06-2010
Qadyanis are kafirs, in fact ULTIMATE kafirs. they are a snake in the bush for Muslims.
- awaisaftab - 03-07-2010
Dear All
MRS I really appreciate your work. Your above post shows that you have made a lot of research work before writing it. It is really admirable. The reference quoted by you are valid the Religious Leaders whose names mentioned by you are famous. Your effort is admirable. Jis dour main ulemah-e-ikram ko Do Takkay k log kha ja raha ho us dour main ager koyee ulema ke hawale ya references quote kere to bari khushi hoti ha.
Dear difference of opinions is a healthy sign. There may be a difference in the interpretation of a saying of Holy Prophet (PBUH). We find difference of interpretation in Mujtahadeen, Aimay Arba,Salf Saleheen and even in Shaba (RAJ).
I am not Jehadi and I think Aamir is also not a jehadi.
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Jhan tak kisi ko kafir ,murtad ya munafiq qarar dene ki bat ha to main FATWA FOBIA ka shaded mukhalif hun mager mere bhaion is ka yeh matlab nhn k kisi kafir ko bhee kafir na kha jay. Islami tarikh ka mutala karain kitne bare bare fitne runuma huy.
Khawarij, Firqay Batniy, Qaramtaa, Mutizila, deene ilahi qadiyaniat, perveziat .
Khwarij ka fitna Hazrat Ali k doure khilafat main runuma huwa Hazrat Ali ne in k khilaf alme jhad buland kia aur in ko qatal kia.
Mudabir,Mohtat aur thaday mizah k alme deen ka yeh matlab nhn ha k koyee jo marzi kerta rahe, kufriyat bagta rahe aur nabuwat k jhote dawe kerta rahay aur Maulana sahib Sumum Bukmum ki tasveer ban k bhaite rahain.
Ulema ne hamesha fitnon aur batil firqon aur nabuwat k jhoote dawedaron ke khilaf jehad kia ha.
I know very well about newspapers because of my job experience in advertising sector. But we cannot declare all proceeding of a case as invalid. The case of yousuf Kazzab was reported by many newspapers beside Khabrain and Ummat. We canât say that all newspapers, reporting the case, were wrong, judiciary was wrong, advocates and Ulemah were also wrong. It is fabulous to believe that all efforts of ulema, advocates and judiciary was to design to hang a so called innocent SUFFI. Itâs fabulous.
As far as case of Yousuf Kazzab is concerned I read some details of the case. verdict of the case came after fulfilling all legal requirements and it was according to Sharia and the constitution.
I have a different opinion about the judgment in the case,reffered by Great Khan, I think Superior Judiciary gave the decision on merit . The said bench of judiciary consisted on many honorable judges like justice Nasim Hussain Shah.
I observed that many members do not read completely the links that I quoted above. The list of ulema of all sects who were in favour of verdict in blasphemy case of yousaf Kazzab is following.
<b>Deobandi </b>
Maulana Muhammad Yusuf Ludhianvi - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Ismail Shuja Abadi - General Secretary - AMTKN
Syed Ata ul Mohsin Bukhari - Majlis e Aihrar Pakistan, AMTKN
Maulana Manzoor Ahmed Chinioti - MPA, AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Abdul Majeed Deen Puri - Dar ul Ifta Jamia Uloom ul Islamia Binnori Town Karachi
Maulana Mufti Muhammad Naeem - Muhtamim o Sheikh ul Hadis - Jamia Binoria Site Karachi
Maulana Abdur Rehman Ashrafi - Jamia Ashrafia Lahore
Maulana Muhammad Aslam Sheikhupuri - www.darsequran.com, Jamia tur Rasheed
Maulana Qari Mansoor Ahmed - Jamia tur Rasheed
Maulana Azam Tariq - Parlimentary Leader - Punjab Assembly, SSP
Maulana Syed Wasi Mazher Nadvi
Maulana Fazlur Rehman - Ameer - JUI(F)
Maulana Samiul Haq - Ameer - JUI(S)
Hafiz Hussain Ahmed - JUI (F)
Qari Shabbir Ahmed Usmani - Central Secretary of Information - AMTKN Rabwah
Maulvi Faqir Muhammad - Secretary Information - AMTKN
Allama Aurangzeb Awan Islamabad - AMTKN
Maulana Munawwer Hussain Siddiqui - AMTKN
Khuwaja Khan Muhammad - AMTKN
Maulana Khan Muhammad - AMTKN
Aziz ur Rehman Jalandhry - AMTKN
Maulana Bashir Ahmed - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Hussain Nasir Sukkur - AMTKN
Maulana Jamalullah Al Hussaini Punnu Aaqil - AMTKN
Mufti Hafeez ur Rehman Tando Adam - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Nazar Usmani Hyderabad - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Ashraf Karachi - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Ali Siddiqui Quetta - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Ishaq Bahawalpur - AMTKN
Maulana Abdul Aziz Bahawalpur - AMTKN
Maulana Abdul Khaliq Rehman Sahiwal - AMTKN
Maulana Abdul Razzaq Mujahid Okara - AMTKN
Hafiz Muhammad Saqib - AMTKN
Maulana Qaisarullah Akhtar Gujranwala - AMTKN
Maulana Ghulam Hussain Jhang - AMTKN
Qazi Ahsaan Ahmed Rabwah - AMTKN
Syed Mumtaz ul Hassan Gilani Faisalabad - AMTKN
Qari Muhammad Ramzan - AMTKN
Qari Muhammad Ali - AMTKN
Maulana Muhammad Akram Tufani - AMTKN
Maulana Allah Wasaya - AMTKN
Maulana Khuda Baksh - AMTKN
Maulana Sarfaraz Khan - AMTKN
Maulana Syed Inayatullah Shah Sahab Bukhari - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Muhammad Tayyab - Ameer e Jamiat, Sheikh ul Quran - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Syed Ziaullah Shah Bukhari - Nazim e Aala Pakistan - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Ziaul Haq - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Qazi Asmatullah - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Allama Ataullah Shah - Nazim e Aala Punjab - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Sahabzada Ashraf Ali - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Qazi Muhammad Nakab - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Noor Ilahi - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Sahabzada Aziz ur Rehman - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Qari Khalil Ahmed Bandhyani - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Abdul Hai - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Abdul Razzaq - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Qari Abdul Aziz - Jamiat e Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah
Maulana Shams ul Haq - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Rafiq ullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Mufti Kifayat ullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Ghulam Rasool - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Tayyab - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Saif ur Rehman - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Yusuf - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Qari Yaqub - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Shafiq ur Rehman - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Khalid - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Faiz ur Rehman - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Hidayatullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Ziaullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Rooh ul Ameen - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Noor ul Wakeel - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Rafi ullah - Asha'at Tauheed wa Sunnah Karachi
Maulana Ahmed Muawiyah - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Chaudhry Zafar Iqbal Advocate - President - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam Lahore
Mian Muhammad Owais - Nazim - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam Lahore
Syed Muhammad Kafeel Bukhari - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Abdul Latif Khalid Cheema - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Qari Muhammad Yusuf Aihrar - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Mian Muhammad Owais - Majlis e Aihrar e Islam
Hafiz Ahmed Bakhsh Advocate - SSP Karachi
Sagheer Ahmed Sheikh - SSP Karachi
Mansoor Ali Babar - SSP Karachi
Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Nadeem - SSP Karachi
Muhammad Ilyas Zubair - SSP Karachi
Hafiz Zulfiqar - SSP
Professor Umer Hayat - SSP
Syed Inamullah Shah Bukhari - President - SSP Sahiwal
Qari Muhammad Ahmed Rasheedi - Vice President - SSP Sahiwal
Qari Manzoor Ahmed - SSP Sahiwal
Qari Muhammad Shafi Kazmi - SSP Sahiwal
Maulana Abdul Majeed - Sheikh ul Hadis - Jamia Islamia Babul Uloom Kerore Pakka
Mufti Abu Talha Zafar Iqbal - Jamia Islamia Babul Uloom Kerore Pakka
Maulana Taj Muhammad - JUI(F)
Hafiz Rasheed Ahmed - Ameer - JUI(F) Lahore
Hassan Farooq But - Secretary General - JUI(F) Lahore
Hafiz Nadeem Shehzad - Secretary Information - JUI(F) Lahore
Muhammad Idrees Upal - JUI(F) Lahore
Saifuddin Saif - Ameer - JUI(F) Lahore
Maulana Khalil ur Rehman Haqqani - JUI(S)
Ata ullah Qadri - Divisional Secretary - JUI(S)
Maulana Naeemullah Farooqi - JUI
Maulana Muhibun Nabi - JUI
Hafiz Muhammad Riaz Durrani - JUI
Qazi Nazir Ahmed - JUI
Abdul Qadir Roparri
Professor Shah Fareed ul Haq
Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri
Maulana Iqbal Muhammad
Maulana Syed Gulzar Shah
Maulana Abdul Qayyum Nomani
Maulana Abdul Waheed
Maulana Muhammad Yaar
Maulana Mufti Abdullah Shaukat
Maulana Noor ul Ameen
Maulana Ghulam Rasool Bukhari
Maulana Muhammad Arif
Maulana Mufti Khalid Muhammad
<b>Barelvi</b>
Dr Muhammad Sarfaraz Naeemi - Jamia Naeemia Lahore
Maulana Shah Ahmed Noorani - JUP (Noorani)
Maulana Abdul Sattar Khan Niazi - JUP (Niazi)
Pir Aijaz Hashmi - Cenral Secratory of Information - JUP (Noorani)
Muhammad Saleem Qadri - Quaid - ST
Allama Kaukab Noorani Okarvi
Mufti Abdul Aziz - Dar ul Uloom Amjadia Karachi
Dr Mufti Ghulam Server Qadri - Jamia Rizvia Trust
Muhammad Afzal Qadri - Ameer - Minhaj ul Quran Sahiwal
Shah Fareed ul Haq - Vice President - JUP
Maulana Shoaib Qadri - JUP
Maulana Muhammad Hussain Lakhani - JUP
Pir Safdar Shah - JUP (Niazi)
Maulana Ayaz Niazi - JUP
Shabbir Ahmed Hashmi - Central Ameer - JUP
Sardar Muhammad Khan Laghari - JUP
Dr Abul Khair Muhammad Zubair - JUP
Qari Abdul Hamid Qadri - JUP
Engineer Salimullah Khan â JUP
Muhammad Siddique Qadri - Convenor - ST
Maulana Muhammad Noor Al Mustafa Rizvi - ST
Malik Azhar Sandela - President - Pak Sunni Tanzeem
Maulana Ahmed Baksh Sandela - Pak Sunni Tanzeem
Maulana Allah Ditta - Pak Sunni Tanzeem
Maulana Mushtaq Ahmed Karo - Pak Sunni Tanzeem
Badar Zahoor Chishti - Anjuman e Talaba e Islam Lahore
Abu Zafar Saeed - Anjuman e Talaba e Islam Lahore
Maulana Abdus Sattar Saeedi - Organizer - Milad Committe Multan
Maulana Muhammad Ramzan Naqshbandi - Milad Committe Multan
Maulana Ghulam Qasim Noorani - Khateeb - Jamia Anwaar Ghausia
Mian Amir Mehmood Naqshbandi - President - Jamiat e Ulama e Mashaikh Youth Wing
Sheikh Abdul Karim - Anjuman e Ghulaman e Mustafa Pakistan
Hafiz Muhammad Akbar Jatoi - President - Anjuman e Fidayan e Mustafa Pakistan
Amir Shahzad Siddiqui - Chairman - Anjuman e Fikr e Insaniyat
Qari Muhammad Ismail Sulaimani - General Secretary - Jamiat e Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Lahore
Maulana Jamil Ahmed Naeemi - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Mufti Muhammad Jan Naeemi - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Allama Shabbir Ahmed Azhari - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Abdul Haleem Siddiqui - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Qazi Noorani - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Mukhtar Ahmed Qadri - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Rajab Ali Naeemi - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Abdul Ghaffar Owaisi - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Wazir Rehmani - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Maulana Bashir ul Qadri - Ulama e Ahle Sunnat Sindh
Syed Hamid Ashraf Shah Jilani - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allam Nasim Ahmed Siddiqui - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Ashraf Gormani - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Shabbir Ahmed Ghaffari - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Riazuddin Qadri - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Abdullah Tayyab - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Qari Muhammad Siddiqui - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allam Farhat ul Qadri - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Allama Saeed ul Hassan - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Qari Maqsood ul Islam - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Haji Muhammad Hanif Bilour - Tehrik e Awam e Ahle Sunnat Pakistan
Syed Irshad Ali - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Maulana Abdul Halim Hazarvi - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Maulana Abdul Ghaffar Owaisi - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Muhammad Usman Khan Ghauri - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Maulana Bashir ul Qadri - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Maulana Rajab Ali Naeemi - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Qazi Ahmed Noorani - Tehrik e Fidaiyan e Khatm e Nubuwwat
Shia
Maulana Muhammad Afzal Haider - Central Secretary General - Wafaq e <b>Ulema e Shia</b>
Alhaaj Muhammad Riaz Rizvi - Central Chairman - Tehrik e Ittehad e Millat e Islamia Pakistan
Maulana Kazim Raza Naqvi - Jamia Almuntazir Lahore
Munawwar Abbass Alvi - President - Sipah e Muhammad Pakistan
Allam Mushtaq Hussain Jaffery - Head - Tehrik e Huqooq e Jaffaria Pakistan
Mirza Yusuf Hussain (Shia) - Chairman - Muslim Muttahida Mahaz Pakistan
<b>Ahle Hadis</b>
Allam Zubair Ahmed Zaheer - Central Ameer - Jamaat e Ahl e Hadis
Mian Muhammad Jamil - Secretary General - Jamaat e Ahl e Hadis
Hafiz Muhammad Naeem Butt - Central Secretary Information - Jamiat e Ahl e Hadis
Hafiz Abdul Majid Butt - Jamat e Ahle Hadis Pakistan
Maulana Abdur Rehman Salfi - Ameer - Jamat e Ghurba Ahle Hadis
Muhammad Idrees Hashmi - Secretary - Jamat e Ghurba Ahle Hadis Punjab
Maulana Muhammad Saeed - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Muhammad Shoaib Ansari - Ahle Hadis Youth Forum
Saifullah - Ahle Hadis Youth Forum
Zahid Ansari - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Sajid Ansari - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Zahid Tariq - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Haji Abdul Qayyum - Ahle Hadis Youth Force
Maulana Abdul Ghaffar Firdousi - President and Khateeb - Markazi Jamiat e Ahle Hadis Khanewal
Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf - Khateeb - Jama Masjid Ahle Hadis Madani Road Mustafabad Lahore
Hafiz Muhammad Asghar - Khateeb - Jama Muhammadia Masjid Ahle Hadis Shadbagh Lahore
<b>Tanzeem e Islami</b>
Dr Israr Ahmed - Tanzeem e Islami
Dr Ghulam Murtaza Malik
Major General Rtd M H Ansari - Tehreek e Khilafat, Tanzeem e Islami
Naeem Akhtar Adnan - Vice Nazim Nashro Ashaat - Tanzeem e Islami
<b>Jamat e Islami</b>
Hafiz Muhammad Idris - Ameer - JI Punjab
Maulana Abdul Malik - Sheikh ul Hadis - Jamia Mansoora Lahore, Jamiat e Ittehad ul Ulama
Sardar Maqsood Hussain Tahir - Press Secretary - JI
Liaqat Baloch â JI
Naushaba Ahsan - JI
Farzana Cheema - JI
Sajida Zubairi - JI
Muhammad Qadeer - Member - JI Azad Kashmir
Maulana Fateh Muhammad - JI
Munawwar Ali Khan - Ameer - JI Sahiwal
Sheikh Shahid Hameed - Ameer - JI Sahiwal City
Dr Anwar ul Haq - JI Sahiwal City
Dr Akram Sheikh - JI Sahiwal City
Mushtaq Ahmed Khan - Ameer - JI Hyderabad
Chaudhry Mehmood Ahmed - JI Sahiwal City
Dr Abdul Sattar - JI Sahiwal City
Rao Masood Ali Khan - Shabab e Milli
Shahid Bilal - President - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Muhammad Muawiyah - Deputy Secretary - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Muhammad Azhar Naeem - Incharge Media Cell - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Abdur Rehman Faisal - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Tahir Shah - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Amir Nawaz Khan Kirmani - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Rana Nazim Javaid - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Rana Nazim - Deputy Secretary - Shabab e Milli Lahore
Muhammad Shafiq Butt - President - Shabab e Milli Punjab Lahore
Amanullah Khan Sayyal - Shabab e Milli
This list is available on following link
http//smhumayun.blogspot.com/2009/06/united-as-one-muslim-ummah-against.html
Jzakallah
- kamranACA - 03-07-2010
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This is called to play "beeen" in front of ..........
Kazzaabs are kazzaabs, whoever they are or they were.
Fitnon kay baarey main Ahaadees maujood hain, aur aaj kay daur main itna tajarba honay kay baad bhi if somebody is inspired of factual fitna tu let him be inspired. Kisi ko Allah gumrah kar day tu uska koi solution nahi.
In Maulaanaao ko kisi aur baat ke fikar kyun nahi? Awaam kee kiya haalat hai? Kitni jahaalat hai? Kitni ghurbat hai? How much helpless we are? How much outdated and backward we are? What we need to do to transform into a super power? What technological advancement we need? How we can transform into self sufficient and economically viable nation? How can we convert people to Allah's deen globally? How can we inspire others? How can we look as followable to others? How can we become role model? How can we eliminate social injustice? What we should do to fight back social evils? How can we unite the different sects? How can we bring different school of thoughts at one point? How many people die for hunger every year? How many invalid babies born and are thrown out by virgin moms for dogs? How can they be grown up and given a status in society? How this bay-rah-rawi can be controlled? How many kids sleep without taking meals, so on and so forth....
We have bundles of problems, evils, issues that are needed to be resolved; par kia zaroorat hai sochnay ke? Yahaan iss qaum kay 90 percent betay (at least) rishwat letay hain, kisi ko koi parwah nahi? Kiaa yeh fitna nahi? Yahaan har cheez main dhoka aur milaawat shaamil hai, kiaa yeh fitna nahi? Yahaan ham itnay faqeer hain keh aaney waali generations loans main dabi hui hain, yeh fitna nahi kia? Muslim *****s and character-less people hamaari generations kay liyey celebrities hain, yeh fitna nahi? Har ghar main nude movies aur dances dekhay jaatey hain, yeh fitna nahi?
Ham say diseases control nahi hoteen, ham apni minerals aur reserves ko explore karnay kay qaabil nahi, ham USA say ammunition maangtay hain paisa maangtay hain roti maangtay hain, ham har baar zaleel logon ko hukamran bana letay hain, ham dunya say 200 saal peechay hain, kiyaa yeh sab fitnay nahi?
Un fitno ke fikar khaaey jaa rahi hai jo mar khap bhi chukay hain. Important is that keh woh fitnay mar khap bhi chukay hain. And we are not leaving that saga so far. Kyun? Because zubaani jama-kharach ham ko aataa hai aur woh ham buhat zyada kartay hain. Bey-amal tu ham hain he tu baatein tu kar saktay hain na. So kar rahey hain.
Bhaai khud ko strong karo; fitnay apni maut aap mar jaaein gey. Look at more important issues and problems. Prepare yourself keh Allah tumhara khauf kuffar kay dil main daal day. Believe you me aisee stories repeat (pidar-e-man sultaan bood) karnay say kuch honay wala nahi. Amal aur harkat ke zaroorat hai. Vision is required and hard work is required.
Yahaan ham nay qaadiyanion ko kaafar qaraar dilwa diya National Assembly say; ho gai baat. Unki activities par nazar rakho (Govt's duty). Baat khatam. Yousaf kazzab ko khattam kar dia gaya ok aagey barho. Kai kazzaab aaey hongay aur chalay gaey hongay. Jehad hua ho ga, baat khattam ho gai ho gee. Yeh tu on-going process hai, yeh hamesha chalnaa hai. Koi buraai nahi iss par ghaur karnay aur nazar rakhnay main; laikan guzray saanp ke lakeer kab tak peeto gey. Bhaai aagey barho. Kuch aur bhi karo yaa bass aqal yahaan aa kar khattam ho jaati hai???
Kiyaa alfaaz select kiye hain GREAT KHAN nay; still sounding well. Bitter but fact
"Fish market"
Regards,
- kamranACA - 03-07-2010
M.R.S. (RIZWAN)
Thank you very much for posting such an informative material. I really appreciate it.
Some time back, I expressed my views about Kashmir fight that was taken so negatively by our Maulana fellows.
Thanks God we still have sensible, knowledgable and followable truth speaking Ulemas. God bless this man Mr. Mazhari for speaking truth in these difficult times.
BTW did you notice, you mentioned one name of Aalim-e-deen, and some one clicking your idea copied a long list (just to do what you have done). Logon ko jitnaa marzi samjhaa lo par nahi. Khair anyway.
Of course Kashmir fight is not the Ghazwa-tul-Hind (even if the Hadees is not fabricated; which I personally believe is a genuine Hadees). This is regional and political issue. India keeps on destabilizing us and our agencies reply it similarly in Kashmir and other places.
I will post a link here if available (I hope it would soon be available at Youtube) where Haafiz Saeed flately refused to have any linkage with any Jehadi (terrorist) activity in India and Indian Kashmir, in an Interview with Kamran Shahid (express news).
The people who are referred to in the said Hadees are not supposed to get refuge by speaking even a mild lie. Naoozbillah.
Thanks once again.
Regards,
Kamran.
- Greatkhans - 03-07-2010
Dear Awais,
Please donât worry about me. I donât care what people will think about me, but I will speak the truth. I neither need any certificate for my eman from any person nor do I issue any certificate of Kufr-o-Ilhad about anyone who claims his eman. I donât know what treatment will be with me on the day of judgement. May be my eman will be thrown on my face. I follow the saying of Umer (R.A) who said if it would be announced on the day of judgement that everyone has been sent to Jannah (Bkhashish) except one person, I will think that it is Umer ibne Khatab. We unintentionally say so many things which are âShirkâ . As you saidâ Mere Nabi ki baat jhooti nhn ho sakti hum ko in baton pe hansna nhn chaye.â My brother he was not your Nabi. He was Nabi Allah. Should I say that Awais is claiming âAlwahiyatâ? I should gather some emotional people and raid at your home without giving you an opportunity that you donât mean that. I have hundred of witnesses that you wrote this statement.
My brother, I 100% what Kamran wrote so I wonât repeat to save time so please treat his answer as my answer. However, I would add that real jihad will be done in our universities, colleges, research institutions, stock exchanges, hospitals, when we will fight against poverty, illiteracy, disease, unemployment etc. I am astonished to see that a person like you who was educated at worldâs best institutions thinks like that so I should not complaint to those suicide bombers who have been educated like you.
I wonât teach you history but it is important to give you some highlights. All our Ulema are heir of Anbiya (SAWS). Allah said to Prophet âHikmat aur danai kay sath un ko bulaoâ. Yae humara nabi hay jo dalil per baat karta hay, Mayray monin banday is Quran per anday aur behroon ki tarhan nahi tootay partay. So as our Ulema did in the past. First fitna after Musilima arose in the time of Imam Bukhari, which was âZohada and contamination of Ahadeethâ. Iman did not issue any fatwa of Kufr, but he worked hard and brought the true dean in light. Then fitna-e-khalq-e-quran which Imam Malik defended, then Fitna was âShaikh Abne Arabi, Imam Sayooti defended and defeated him with logics, wisdom and knowledge, then was the issue of âMansoor Bin Hallajâ. It was also dealt with the same skills by Muhammad Bin Dawood Az-Zaaheri (It took him anout 20 years to decide the case), then Rafai fitna, Imam Ibne Timimiya defended Islam, then was Muta izalla, It was also defeated. In the recent history Fitna-e-Dean-e-Ilahi. Mujadad Alaf sani and Allama Rasheed Nanatovi defended it and revived dean. Most recently was fitna-e-Pervaziyat which was dealt with by Mulana Modudi and Molana Abdur Rahman Kilani. They did not issue any fatwa of Kufr. They did not kill anyone except âMansoor Bin Halajâ who openly admitted that he is God. Even his sentence was not just an emotional act. He was given full opportunity of being heard and declare his âBarraatâ and state decided to kill him not the people.
My brother, we should not adopt a Taliban approach. Be rational and see things critically (To see thing as they are in the light of wisdom and intelligence). Donât be emotional and adopt Gardan mardo attitude. You know very well that how many times Blasphemy act has been abused (It does not mean that Act is wrong). I do not want to write too much on this issue because I always avoid discussing religion.
I pray that Allah bless us with Aqal-e-Saleem and lastly I will quote
Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
Regards,
GREAT KHANS
- padphoosilimdakar - 03-07-2010
Mera sawal topic say thora hat ke hai.Qadianion ka pakistan say bahir kya status hai.Kya saudiarab aur degar muslim countries na bhi inko non muslim declare kia hai ya nahi?
- kamranACA - 03-08-2010
A few countries have declared them non-muslim (not Kafir, to be more precised) and I believe these include Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and South Africa (on request of Muslims) etc.
However, your question is valid, they are treated as Muslims in majority of the countries of the world because those countries follow the rule of calling any one what "such any one" likes to be called.
Others may also enlight further.
Regards,
- awaisaftab - 03-08-2010
The purpose of writing the thread was to alert the new generation about the past of Zaid Hamid. Hence Rawalpindi and Islamabad is the main hub of activities of Zaid Hamid so I felt a need to write about his past. I did it only for the safety of thoughts of young generation.
In Rwp and Islamabad local leader of one religious party and AMTKN are trying to unveil the face of Zaid Hamid before the young generation. A joint press conference of ulema and leaders of religious political parties is also recommended.
I know very well the problems faced by the nation. mera taluq ek parhe likhe deeni gharane se ha. Main koyee intha pasand 2 rakat ka maulvi nhn hun jo nay jamanay k taqazor se be behra ho ker thori se english seekh ker accountacy forum pe apnee deeny aur duniwi knoledge ka sikka jamane agaya ho.Jhalat ha,ghurbat ha is ke khilaf bhee jhad hona chayee but Duniya Mafia se qeemti cheez Eman ha. Iski hifazat bhee zroori ha. Every problem is discussed at proper place and every topic and issue its own importance.
Some people think about me that I get influence from others ideas in simple words they want to prove me a duffer but I have self respect for each and every Muslim. Bhayee ageer main itna hi duffer hun to meri baton ko kisi pagal admi ki bakwas samajh ker ignore ker dia kero. I donât think this thread appropriate place to defend myself .Islam gives the right of self respect to every Muslim but hum thore se ikhtilaf per apne musalman bhaion kee izat or abroo ko halal ker k uske waqar ki dhajion ura detain hain.. Quran o Hadees ek Musalman ko qabile ezat qarar dete hum quon hote hais kisi dosre musalmain ki ezat ko halal qarar dene wale???
As far as difference in interpretation of Hadis of Ghazwatul Hind is concerned it is healthy difference. Mere bhaion ikhtilaf ko rehmat qarar dia gaya ha. Ek dafa ghalban Imam Shafai (RA) Imame Azam Sayedul Fuqqah Janabe Abu Hanifa (RA) k mazar pe hazir hue Imam ne fajir kee namaz main Qunoot-e-Nazila nhn parhi kisi ne poocha ke apne qunoot qun chore dee to Imam ne Kha k Sahibe Mazar ka ehtiram malhooz ha.
Greatkan I know k blasphemy act misuse huwa ha aur hamare musalman bhayee bohat jaldi ishtial main ajate hain. 1993 ya 1994 main ek hujoom ne ek hafize quran ko qatal ker dia ye hadsa Gujranwala main pesh aya tha but beside all facts I strongly believe that all legal requirements of blasphemy act was fulfilled before giving punishment to Yousuf Kazab. Thatâs why all leaders of JI also in favour of this decision. I think this is only religious party whose leaders and workers are equipped with both worldly and religious education.
- kamranACA - 03-08-2010
"Paagal aadmi ke bakwas", nice selection and no one needs to interpret anything.
BTW fish market carried similar meanings as well.
Aik muslim (woh jitna bhi mistaken ya emotional kyun na ho) ko degrade kiaa jaa raha hai, "Ulema nay explanation maangi hai", bhaai yeh Ulema kaun hain explanation maangnay waalay?? It's GOVT's job to do so. Religious board hai, religious ministory hai, qaanoon (getting better these days) hai, police hai; yeh Ulema kaun hain at their own explanation maangnay waaley?
The concept of taking law in hands and feeling our selves best muslim (in most cases Wali-Allah), authority at our own, khud he muddai, khud he judge, khud he police, everything; yeh kab jaaey ge. These so called Ulemas have given rise to incidents like LAL MASJID.
If any body feels Zaid Hamid is doing punishable thing, he should register his complain in Police with evidences. Yeh JI aur doosray sab kiyaa authority hain? Koi bataaey ga?? Dunya main kahin bhi aisee authority hai kisi kay paas. Saudi Arab ke example he lay kay saabit kar do?
We don't know anything, we don't know Zaid Hamid's heart inside, he did not EVER said apparently anything by which he can be thought to not having a belief on Khatm-e-Nabbuwat. Over excited hai woh, aur woh aksar loge hotay hain. We have experience and observation and every one among us can judge better. Bhaai jee forum pay aik muslim ko kyun gandda kar rahey ho. Yeh new generation khud jaan jaaey ge sab haqeeqat, tum zyada laaiq ho? Agar ho tu pehlay woh kar lo jis maain aaj tak phanssay huey ho. Who are you to post defamatory things and links about any one against whom nothing has yet proved. Baat kee jaa rahi hai self respect ke. Inn parrots ko tu totay ke tarah rattaa lagwaya hota hai yeh beychaaray itnay qaabil he hain.
If some body says that something factual was posted, tu bhaai je tab kyun cheekhain nikal gai theen jab GREATKHAN nay tumhara zaati kacha chathaa kholaa tha forum pay. Woh sab bhi tu haqeeqat tha. Agar tum kisi ko jaahil, naa laaiq, 6 saal say fail honay wala etc kaha jaaey tu takleef hoti hai na? You know why you felt pain, because every one has self respect aur wohaan zore kee lagti hai. Jitni tumko lagti hai utni he Zaid Hamid ko bhi lagti ho ge? So, think a hundred time before posting defamatory things about people unless these are proved.
Tumhara koi bara aalim thaa tu zaroori nahi keh tum bhi aalim ho aur tum ko bhi khulli chhutti mil jaaey mazhabi issues par logon ko zaleel karnay ke. Kisi body builder ka beta ya pota body builder nahi hota merely for the reason that his father or grand father was body builder. Aisaa hotaa hai tu tumko bhi aalim maan letay hain.
Tumko itni taufeeq nahi, keh GreatKhan kay sawal ka jawab he day detay. I believe we are no body to pull you to soil for anything but GreatKhan pointed out that "by mistake" you have said something that is specific for GOD. Khud tu saari post parh lee aur iss baat ko explain karnay takk ke taufeeq nahi mili. Chalay ho logon say explanation maangnay.
Allah ka khauf bari achi cheez hai, woh kia karo; aur khopri thanddi rakha karo. Koi mazhab kay issue par tumhaari bajaanay aa gaya naa tu phir kaho gey self respect affect ho rahi hai.
Mazhab ka thekay-daar mat bano; please.
Post some logical things and we will appreciate it.
Regards,
- Greatkhans - 03-08-2010
Dear Awais,
Have you been practicing what you are preaching? If someone claims that he is Muslim, why you are insisting him to declare him non-muslim? Kamran very rightly quoted incident of Hazrat Ali (R.A), did open his heart and see that Zaid Hamid is non-muslim? We just canât assess someone the basis of the past. Do you know that who damaged Muslims in War of Ditch and Khazwa-e-Auhad the most, before âEmanâ. It was Khalid Bin Al-Waleed and Akerma bin Abu Jahal. Later these were the people who fought for Islam and eliminate Fitna-e-Musilima. These were the people who shattered density of Iran and Roman Empire. Hinda (RA) the bitterest enemy of Islam, fought against Roman, when Islam soldiers, were losing the battle. For detailed reading see âSword of Allahâ by Col. Ikram. What you are saying is an illogical reasoning to defame Zaid Hamid.
As far as JI is concerned, it is also another big chapter. We all are well aware of these people. I donât want to open this chapter because it would definitely hurt religious feelings of many forum people. At least I just canât dare to discuss validity of any Hadeeth, because I donât have in-depth knowledge of Quan and Sunna and Fiqah. I think our great scholars during the history of 1400 have done great work on this. You can refer to their work and they have discussed each âwordâ, I am not exaggerating, each word of hundred of thousand of ahadeeth. If you read Tafseer ibne Kathir, he discussed Bissmila on 4-5 pages. This is a master peace discussion.
I do not challenge your family back ground. I am just trying to make you understand because I know there were many prophet whose even family members did not accept Islam and father of Ibrahim (AS) was Idol maker.
Regards,
GREAT KHANS
- Greatkhans - 03-08-2010
Hi Awais,
One more thing, please check the validity of any incident before you quote. Imam Abu Hanifa declared that it is HARM to pray in any MAZAR. Ulema-edeodand also declared the same based on that fatva. How he can do it himself. Please refer to book of Imam Abu Yousuf. I would be glad if you could give some reference of this incidence.
Regards,
GREAT KHANS
- ACCAite - 03-08-2010
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People can figure out why I mentioned the name of Saddam!
BTW now we are used to read/listen such comec things. I hope it will take too long to rescind Ghazva (Naoozbillah) against our own selves initiated by us. Doosron ke fikar baad main karein gey.
Regards,
Kamran.
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Agreed 100%
No one has right to pass judgement on someones faith its between allah and that individual.
with due respect to all members when ever i hear zaid hamid i cannot stop laughing . it is unbelievable that we have these kind of people who are dreaming of conquering other areas where as their own back yard is on fire.
Wake up guys, its a new world now.
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WAKE up guys this is a new world? where we would love to stay as we are or get worse? if this keep progressing we could become slaves. Perhaps you need to travel around more, look and read up more brother...if your ' OK ' with what you have at the moment....your seriously misguided.
- MRS - 03-08-2010
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Agreed 100%
No one has right to pass judgement on someones faith its between allah and that individual.
with due respect to all members when ever i hear zaid hamid i cannot stop laughing . it is unbelievable that we have these kind of people who are dreaming of conquering other areas where as their own back yard is on fire.
Wake up guys, its a new world now.
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WAKE up guys this is a new world? where we would love to stay as we are or get worse? if this keep progressing we could become slaves. Perhaps you need to travel around more, look and read up more brother...if your ' OK ' with what you have at the moment....your seriously misguided.
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Thank you dear for being very lenient by using words âSeriously Misguidedâ others would have challenged my EMAN.
If you really believe that only way to change the current scenario is by declaring JIHAD then i can only pray for you.
By the way what do you mean by traveling? I have been to six courtiers and have seen much of Pakistan you must mention the place where I can seek the guidance.
Dear I am not a learned person but have enough courage to read Ibn-e-Kathir and have tried to understand the works of Ghazali and Tabri. If you can suggest any other sources I will be indebt to you but just passing generalized comments will not help me to seek guidance.
I hope you will be kind enough to help me in seeking guidance.
Regards
M.Rizwan
- padphoosilimdakar - 03-08-2010
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kamranACA</i>
<br />A few countries have declared them non-muslim (not Kafir, to be more precised) and I believe these include Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and South Africa (on request of Muslims) etc.
However, your question is valid, they are treated as Muslims in majority of the countries of the world because those countries follow the rule of calling any one what "such any one" likes to be called.
Others may also enlight further.
Regards,
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jawab ka shukrya.I read on wikipedia page regarding Ahmadiya community that Pakistan is the only country that has officialy declared qadianis as non muslims.Is lye main nay yeh sawal kia.