02-12-2005, 10:27 PM
Hi all
Thanks for the concern AvgJoe, i am/was stuck up with work and to be honest a little bit disappointed with some of the members and their irresponsible posts, a good/bad news for some members - I am BACK[)]
I dont know much about the difference b/w ICAP inter-level papers and ACCA papers as such it won't be fair if i comment on it. I would rather comment on the attitude of some members who try to be what i call 'over-smart' and sadly one of those members is Mr Bilal Azhar. I wouldn't have bothered writing here if I knew his attitude is not a deliberate mistake.
I think Desert Sleet's response to his irresponsible comments is fair and there should be someone checking guys like him, I did the same some time back in ACCA Vs CA thread.
Few weeks ago I had a one to one discussion with Mr Bilal where my replies were very soft assuming Mr Bilal Azhar's childish attitude - as ignorance. With reference to the topic all I can tell him is that preparing from ACCA books and actually appearing in exams are not the same. I would like to quote your words you once said to me "Its easier said than done"
For all of you guys who didnt get a chance to read the conversation between the two of us
1. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i dont think its a good idea to issue marks once u have passed a paper.Professional degree is not achieved by mishap or luck.if u are pass than pass,no need to tell how many marks have u achieved.
Icap follows this and never issue marks to students who have passed.
if marks are allocated,then definitely employer will look at them and student with more marks will definitely be prefered.it just like,if u get 700 marks in F.A/F.S.C only then u can expect to get an admission in GC AND if u passed FA with 500 marks then no need to apply.
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1. My reply
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear bilal
if i agree with the above then one question comes in my mind WHY does ICAP bother to publish GRADES like A, B ,C temp or permanent exemptions and why is it switching to a more LOGICAL examination system of publishing the marks. i do agree that no qualifications comes in fluke, one has to work really hard but the later part is a bit doubtful. if an institute follows a crystal clear Examination System then why not publish the marks which can be of great guidance to students who fail marginally, they would know how close they were.
this will also decline all the allegations of QUOTA or Market based result system by ICAP. as regards the employers asking for the individual marks attained in particular subjects, i dont think any employer asks such a ridiculous question specially if he or she is a professional interviewing another professional.
kind regards
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2. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">ICAP is not moving to a new grading or marking system.it has only declared publicaly that passing criteria for all papers is 50 percent.other than that there will be no change.no marks will be issued to candidates and no grades will be given to students who pass the exams.50 percent ratio is only declared to enable the failing or refered students to assess their performance.some students defame icap after failing by saying that they attempted all the paper correctly and yet they failed.
secondly,if according to u no employer ask this ridiculous question of total percentage,then whats the reason to issue marks to those students who passes the exams(ACCA).thats where the difference lies between icap and acca authorities and that is why there is no match between an ACA and an ACCA in pakistan.I dont think there is a single professional employer in pakistan who would prefer ACCA over ACA.IT does not make any sense to study TAX,LAW,AND accounting standards of england sitting in pakistan.
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2 My reply
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear Bilal
thanks for correcting me. So ICAP is still using the same outdated system. Whats the point declaring the 50 marks Pass or Fail criteria when the individual marks are not published.
Issuing marks to Pass candidates may encourage them to do even better at higher levels plus it may also motivate them to SPECIALISE in that particular subject. ACCA believes (and rightly so) that its examination system is CRYSTAL CLEAR thats why they publish individual marks. ICAP can do the same to prevent students defaming its examination systems credibility.
i am afraid thats not the distinction between the two institutes, in Pakistan there are multiple factors and YES one of the reasons is the fact that ACCA grads study UK variants. ACCA has now offered Pakistan variant for Pakistani students and I am sure within no time such unrealistic distinctions will vanish away.
Kind Regards
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3. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i told u that the only reason to declare this 50 percent criteria is to rectify the perception of the students and the general public that icap doen not pass even those students who get 70 percent marks in a without choice difficult paper.
As far as specilization is concerned,once u pass papers like Advanced accounting,advanced auditing,corporate law,advanced taxation,management accounting etc of icap i can assure u with guarantee that ur knowledge is equal to,if not greater,to a person who has a phd degree in any of the above subjects.i mean,if u have studied all the IAS AND ISA and all the corporate laws,what else left to be read.
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3. My reply
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i told u that the only reason to declare this 50 percent criteria is to rectify the perception of the students and the general public that icap doen not pass even those students who get 70 percent marks in a without choice difficult paper.
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Dear Bilal
I think you are missing the point i am trying to make. ICAP can still fail a student who gets 70% marks unless it publishes the individual marks. For eg I appeared in an exam and after considering individual questions and my answers to them I believe that i should get around 60-65 marks, but when the result comes i see my name in the list of failures, i have no idea how can i be given less than 50 marks in that particular paper but since i have not been given the exact marks i will keep on repeating the same old story that ICAP's examination system is flawed.
i was a student of ACCA, i m telling you the truth when i used to come out of the examination hall i always knew straightaway if i have passed the paper or not, and to my surprise my marks were always within a deviation of + or - 5, now this is what i call a CRYSTAL CLEAR system and i see no harm adopting this system where i (being a student) have full confidence on my Institute. i have no fear in my heart that no matter how much i study i might be failed just because of the market pressure.
now ask yourself and your fellow students (if you are/were a student of ICAP) doesn't this fear exist in their hearts??? it does.......
now let me tell you another story. i am an ex-student of ICMAP. i passed upto Professional 2 in first go except 1 paper which was FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING in Foundation 2. i got referral in that paper. you know what bilal, i was expecting a permanent exemption in that paper, financial accounting has always been my strong point and i always scored flying numbers in financial accounting. My elder brother is an ACMA, he sometimes used to discuss my paper with me (as we were allowed to take the question papers with us), he was also damn sure that i haven't done any blunder in that paper and i should be able to score atleast 80 in that paper........sadly i sat that paper again and although i didn't do better this time i got a PERMANENT EXEMPTION. I am sure you would have heard similar stories from other students as well. My self-analysis could be wrong that time but why it always proved correct in ACCA.......
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As far as specilization is concerned,once u pass papers like Advanced accounting,advanced auditing,corporate law,advanced taxation,management accounting etc of icap i can assure u with guarantee that ur knowledge is equal to,if not greater,to a person who has a phd degree in any of the above subjects.i mean,if u have studied all the IAS AND ISA and all the corporate laws,what else left to be read.
bilal
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my dear friend,
my normal reaction to such statements is usually very strong (and harsh for some people), since i have made a new year resolution to become a better human being and after being pointed out by some of the members here to curtail my aggression, i would only suggest you to please come out from this FANTASY WORLD.........i won't say no more and click the "post new reply" icon as it is best in OUR favour.
Please keep your assurance and guarantee with yourself, it is surely gonna help you out in future!!!
i wish you & ICAP all the best
kind regards
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4. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear Azeem,just for ur information i am a student of Module D of CA.i got a refer in IT of module D in last attempt.i have cleared the rest of 12 papers of CA inter.I got refer in M.LAW,and IT so far.
Icap never ever fails a student having 60-65 marks.if thats the case then i am fail in all other twelve papers as well.The passing percentage according to those who have qualified(some of my teacher)is even less than 50.i knew that in some of my papers like economics,cost accounting,IT1, my marks would be, at the most, around
45-55 marks and yet i got passed.
THE main reason of issuing this 50 percent ratio was that poeple like u cry after failing and instead of blaming themselves,blame the icap.THE PAPers in which i got refer,my marks were definitely below 45.your estimate of 60-65 marks is based on ur own judgement. The solution of icap questions is usually not the one we think it is.
LAstly,ur statements are contradicting.own one hand u say that employer dont see marks percentage once u have acca degree,they only see aptitude,knowledge etc and on the other hand u say that marks can be used to speclize in particular subject.speclization can be done in ACCA PASSED papers but once u have passed ca no speclization is required.e.g if u have passed corporate law paper of module E,it means u have studied the whole ordinance,its rules,and there are round about 10 or more laws in this paper.after going through all this what further u can study ,i just dont know.
ur are senior than me,so dont mind to be harsh.one advice(although i am not capable of it) to u is "not to say or comment on any thing u dont know". i am sure the above post would make u angry and i am expecting a very harsh reply.
bilal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
4. My reply
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">my dear friend
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ur are senior than me,so dont mind to be harsh.one advice(although i am not capable of it) to u is "not to say or comment on any thing u dont know". i am sure the above post would make u angry and i am expecting a very harsh reply.
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thanks for considering me a senior and many thanks for the advise, you are indeed capable of giving advise. no i m not going for a harsh route this time as i do it for people who try to be over smart. i dont like to comment on something i dont know and infact i thanked you in my earlier post for correcting me.
i was commenting on the exam result systems of diff accounting bodies and my emphasis was on ICAP, ICMAP and ACCA. you corrected me on ICAP and i know ICMAP and ACCA's exam results policy, i dont see anything wrong commenting on it.
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LAstly,ur statements are contradicting.own one hand u say that employer dont see marks percentage once u have acca degree,they only see aptitude,knowledge etc and on the other hand u say that marks can be used to speclize in particular subject.speclization can be done in ACCA PASSED papers but once u have passed ca no speclization is required.e.g if u have passed corporate law paper of module E,it means u have studied the whole ordinance,its rules,and there are round about 10 or more laws in this paper.after going through all this what further u can study ,i just dont know.
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so you are trying to say that CA is the ULTIMATE qualification, once you do CA you become a MASTER of ALL since you can't see any area left behind. bilal i would strongly recommend you not to say this thing to anyone. i always thought all those qualifications like CTA (Chartered Tax Adviser), CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst), PhDs in individual subjects are there for a purpose but NOW after knowing the fact that all i want is to become a CA and i will master everything has completely changed my mind........thanks for your insight.........you definitely deserve to comment on things you know.......(i hope you were just kidding when you said after ACCA PASSED papers you need specialisation and after CA you dont.....you are trying to be over smart.........so be careful!!!)
i am still trying to find where i CONTRADICTED my own statements. Yes i did say employers are more interested in what a CANDIDATE knows than his/her exam marks, and Yes i also said that marks can motivate candidates to specialise in those subjects (assuming they get higher marks because of their interest in those subjects and their natural inclination)...........WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION???
in first statement i am talking about the employers perception about the candidate in the later statement i am discussing the psychological effect the exam marks can have on students' careers......once again WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION???
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Icap never ever fails a student having 60-65 marks.if thats the case then i am fail in all other twelve papers as well.The passing percentage according to those who have qualified(some of my teacher)is even less than 50.i knew that in some of my papers like economics,cost accounting,IT1, my marks would be, at the most, around
45-55 marks and yet i got passed
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now i won't say you are contradicting your statements here, rather i would say you are supporting my point of view. by reading the above statement we can surely say that ICAP's exam system is not JUST. although they say that they have a 50% pass criteria but in reality it is much below that (something NOT to be proud of). Now how you are supporting my point, you said you were expecting your marks between 45-55 and yet you passed that paper leaving you in doubt whether you got over 50 or under 50, presumably you got over 50 thats why you passed but even then it left a doubt thats why you mentioned it here and thats the point i was trying to make earlier that publishing marks DONOT leave any doubt and give students the much needed confidence in the fairness of the system.
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THE main reason of issuing this 50 percent ratio was that poeple like u cry after failing and instead of blaming themselves,blame the icap.THE PAPers in which i got refer,my marks were definitely below 45.your estimate of 60-65 marks is based on ur own judgement. The solution of icap questions is usually not the one we think it is.
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i was never a student of ICAP!!! so there is no question of crying about it. the only paper i REFERRED (not failed) was of ICMAP's where SURPRISINGLY my answers were not TOO different from my brother's and my LECTURER's explanations to that paper and there was no question about 60-65 marks - i was expecting over 80. this is a mystery for me how on earth i could be referred in that paper.........i may be wrong in my assessment but this could only be verified had i be given my marks. secondly my assessments never went wrong in ACCA!!!
hope this will clear some of my points, i am glad to know you have almost completed your CA Inter and i wish you all the best for your future exams.
Best Regards
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"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."
Thanks for the concern AvgJoe, i am/was stuck up with work and to be honest a little bit disappointed with some of the members and their irresponsible posts, a good/bad news for some members - I am BACK[)]
I dont know much about the difference b/w ICAP inter-level papers and ACCA papers as such it won't be fair if i comment on it. I would rather comment on the attitude of some members who try to be what i call 'over-smart' and sadly one of those members is Mr Bilal Azhar. I wouldn't have bothered writing here if I knew his attitude is not a deliberate mistake.
I think Desert Sleet's response to his irresponsible comments is fair and there should be someone checking guys like him, I did the same some time back in ACCA Vs CA thread.
Few weeks ago I had a one to one discussion with Mr Bilal where my replies were very soft assuming Mr Bilal Azhar's childish attitude - as ignorance. With reference to the topic all I can tell him is that preparing from ACCA books and actually appearing in exams are not the same. I would like to quote your words you once said to me "Its easier said than done"
For all of you guys who didnt get a chance to read the conversation between the two of us
1. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i dont think its a good idea to issue marks once u have passed a paper.Professional degree is not achieved by mishap or luck.if u are pass than pass,no need to tell how many marks have u achieved.
Icap follows this and never issue marks to students who have passed.
if marks are allocated,then definitely employer will look at them and student with more marks will definitely be prefered.it just like,if u get 700 marks in F.A/F.S.C only then u can expect to get an admission in GC AND if u passed FA with 500 marks then no need to apply.
bilal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
1. My reply
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear bilal
if i agree with the above then one question comes in my mind WHY does ICAP bother to publish GRADES like A, B ,C temp or permanent exemptions and why is it switching to a more LOGICAL examination system of publishing the marks. i do agree that no qualifications comes in fluke, one has to work really hard but the later part is a bit doubtful. if an institute follows a crystal clear Examination System then why not publish the marks which can be of great guidance to students who fail marginally, they would know how close they were.
this will also decline all the allegations of QUOTA or Market based result system by ICAP. as regards the employers asking for the individual marks attained in particular subjects, i dont think any employer asks such a ridiculous question specially if he or she is a professional interviewing another professional.
kind regards
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2. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">ICAP is not moving to a new grading or marking system.it has only declared publicaly that passing criteria for all papers is 50 percent.other than that there will be no change.no marks will be issued to candidates and no grades will be given to students who pass the exams.50 percent ratio is only declared to enable the failing or refered students to assess their performance.some students defame icap after failing by saying that they attempted all the paper correctly and yet they failed.
secondly,if according to u no employer ask this ridiculous question of total percentage,then whats the reason to issue marks to those students who passes the exams(ACCA).thats where the difference lies between icap and acca authorities and that is why there is no match between an ACA and an ACCA in pakistan.I dont think there is a single professional employer in pakistan who would prefer ACCA over ACA.IT does not make any sense to study TAX,LAW,AND accounting standards of england sitting in pakistan.
bilal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
2 My reply
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear Bilal
thanks for correcting me. So ICAP is still using the same outdated system. Whats the point declaring the 50 marks Pass or Fail criteria when the individual marks are not published.
Issuing marks to Pass candidates may encourage them to do even better at higher levels plus it may also motivate them to SPECIALISE in that particular subject. ACCA believes (and rightly so) that its examination system is CRYSTAL CLEAR thats why they publish individual marks. ICAP can do the same to prevent students defaming its examination systems credibility.
i am afraid thats not the distinction between the two institutes, in Pakistan there are multiple factors and YES one of the reasons is the fact that ACCA grads study UK variants. ACCA has now offered Pakistan variant for Pakistani students and I am sure within no time such unrealistic distinctions will vanish away.
Kind Regards
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3. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i told u that the only reason to declare this 50 percent criteria is to rectify the perception of the students and the general public that icap doen not pass even those students who get 70 percent marks in a without choice difficult paper.
As far as specilization is concerned,once u pass papers like Advanced accounting,advanced auditing,corporate law,advanced taxation,management accounting etc of icap i can assure u with guarantee that ur knowledge is equal to,if not greater,to a person who has a phd degree in any of the above subjects.i mean,if u have studied all the IAS AND ISA and all the corporate laws,what else left to be read.
bilal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
3. My reply
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">quote
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i told u that the only reason to declare this 50 percent criteria is to rectify the perception of the students and the general public that icap doen not pass even those students who get 70 percent marks in a without choice difficult paper.
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Dear Bilal
I think you are missing the point i am trying to make. ICAP can still fail a student who gets 70% marks unless it publishes the individual marks. For eg I appeared in an exam and after considering individual questions and my answers to them I believe that i should get around 60-65 marks, but when the result comes i see my name in the list of failures, i have no idea how can i be given less than 50 marks in that particular paper but since i have not been given the exact marks i will keep on repeating the same old story that ICAP's examination system is flawed.
i was a student of ACCA, i m telling you the truth when i used to come out of the examination hall i always knew straightaway if i have passed the paper or not, and to my surprise my marks were always within a deviation of + or - 5, now this is what i call a CRYSTAL CLEAR system and i see no harm adopting this system where i (being a student) have full confidence on my Institute. i have no fear in my heart that no matter how much i study i might be failed just because of the market pressure.
now ask yourself and your fellow students (if you are/were a student of ICAP) doesn't this fear exist in their hearts??? it does.......
now let me tell you another story. i am an ex-student of ICMAP. i passed upto Professional 2 in first go except 1 paper which was FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING in Foundation 2. i got referral in that paper. you know what bilal, i was expecting a permanent exemption in that paper, financial accounting has always been my strong point and i always scored flying numbers in financial accounting. My elder brother is an ACMA, he sometimes used to discuss my paper with me (as we were allowed to take the question papers with us), he was also damn sure that i haven't done any blunder in that paper and i should be able to score atleast 80 in that paper........sadly i sat that paper again and although i didn't do better this time i got a PERMANENT EXEMPTION. I am sure you would have heard similar stories from other students as well. My self-analysis could be wrong that time but why it always proved correct in ACCA.......
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As far as specilization is concerned,once u pass papers like Advanced accounting,advanced auditing,corporate law,advanced taxation,management accounting etc of icap i can assure u with guarantee that ur knowledge is equal to,if not greater,to a person who has a phd degree in any of the above subjects.i mean,if u have studied all the IAS AND ISA and all the corporate laws,what else left to be read.
bilal
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my dear friend,
my normal reaction to such statements is usually very strong (and harsh for some people), since i have made a new year resolution to become a better human being and after being pointed out by some of the members here to curtail my aggression, i would only suggest you to please come out from this FANTASY WORLD.........i won't say no more and click the "post new reply" icon as it is best in OUR favour.
Please keep your assurance and guarantee with yourself, it is surely gonna help you out in future!!!
i wish you & ICAP all the best
kind regards
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4. Originally posted by Mr Bilal Azhar
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Dear Azeem,just for ur information i am a student of Module D of CA.i got a refer in IT of module D in last attempt.i have cleared the rest of 12 papers of CA inter.I got refer in M.LAW,and IT so far.
Icap never ever fails a student having 60-65 marks.if thats the case then i am fail in all other twelve papers as well.The passing percentage according to those who have qualified(some of my teacher)is even less than 50.i knew that in some of my papers like economics,cost accounting,IT1, my marks would be, at the most, around
45-55 marks and yet i got passed.
THE main reason of issuing this 50 percent ratio was that poeple like u cry after failing and instead of blaming themselves,blame the icap.THE PAPers in which i got refer,my marks were definitely below 45.your estimate of 60-65 marks is based on ur own judgement. The solution of icap questions is usually not the one we think it is.
LAstly,ur statements are contradicting.own one hand u say that employer dont see marks percentage once u have acca degree,they only see aptitude,knowledge etc and on the other hand u say that marks can be used to speclize in particular subject.speclization can be done in ACCA PASSED papers but once u have passed ca no speclization is required.e.g if u have passed corporate law paper of module E,it means u have studied the whole ordinance,its rules,and there are round about 10 or more laws in this paper.after going through all this what further u can study ,i just dont know.
ur are senior than me,so dont mind to be harsh.one advice(although i am not capable of it) to u is "not to say or comment on any thing u dont know". i am sure the above post would make u angry and i am expecting a very harsh reply.
bilal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
4. My reply
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ur are senior than me,so dont mind to be harsh.one advice(although i am not capable of it) to u is "not to say or comment on any thing u dont know". i am sure the above post would make u angry and i am expecting a very harsh reply.
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thanks for considering me a senior and many thanks for the advise, you are indeed capable of giving advise. no i m not going for a harsh route this time as i do it for people who try to be over smart. i dont like to comment on something i dont know and infact i thanked you in my earlier post for correcting me.
i was commenting on the exam result systems of diff accounting bodies and my emphasis was on ICAP, ICMAP and ACCA. you corrected me on ICAP and i know ICMAP and ACCA's exam results policy, i dont see anything wrong commenting on it.
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LAstly,ur statements are contradicting.own one hand u say that employer dont see marks percentage once u have acca degree,they only see aptitude,knowledge etc and on the other hand u say that marks can be used to speclize in particular subject.speclization can be done in ACCA PASSED papers but once u have passed ca no speclization is required.e.g if u have passed corporate law paper of module E,it means u have studied the whole ordinance,its rules,and there are round about 10 or more laws in this paper.after going through all this what further u can study ,i just dont know.
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so you are trying to say that CA is the ULTIMATE qualification, once you do CA you become a MASTER of ALL since you can't see any area left behind. bilal i would strongly recommend you not to say this thing to anyone. i always thought all those qualifications like CTA (Chartered Tax Adviser), CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst), PhDs in individual subjects are there for a purpose but NOW after knowing the fact that all i want is to become a CA and i will master everything has completely changed my mind........thanks for your insight.........you definitely deserve to comment on things you know.......(i hope you were just kidding when you said after ACCA PASSED papers you need specialisation and after CA you dont.....you are trying to be over smart.........so be careful!!!)
i am still trying to find where i CONTRADICTED my own statements. Yes i did say employers are more interested in what a CANDIDATE knows than his/her exam marks, and Yes i also said that marks can motivate candidates to specialise in those subjects (assuming they get higher marks because of their interest in those subjects and their natural inclination)...........WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION???
in first statement i am talking about the employers perception about the candidate in the later statement i am discussing the psychological effect the exam marks can have on students' careers......once again WHERE IS THE CONTRADICTION???
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Icap never ever fails a student having 60-65 marks.if thats the case then i am fail in all other twelve papers as well.The passing percentage according to those who have qualified(some of my teacher)is even less than 50.i knew that in some of my papers like economics,cost accounting,IT1, my marks would be, at the most, around
45-55 marks and yet i got passed
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now i won't say you are contradicting your statements here, rather i would say you are supporting my point of view. by reading the above statement we can surely say that ICAP's exam system is not JUST. although they say that they have a 50% pass criteria but in reality it is much below that (something NOT to be proud of). Now how you are supporting my point, you said you were expecting your marks between 45-55 and yet you passed that paper leaving you in doubt whether you got over 50 or under 50, presumably you got over 50 thats why you passed but even then it left a doubt thats why you mentioned it here and thats the point i was trying to make earlier that publishing marks DONOT leave any doubt and give students the much needed confidence in the fairness of the system.
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THE main reason of issuing this 50 percent ratio was that poeple like u cry after failing and instead of blaming themselves,blame the icap.THE PAPers in which i got refer,my marks were definitely below 45.your estimate of 60-65 marks is based on ur own judgement. The solution of icap questions is usually not the one we think it is.
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i was never a student of ICAP!!! so there is no question of crying about it. the only paper i REFERRED (not failed) was of ICMAP's where SURPRISINGLY my answers were not TOO different from my brother's and my LECTURER's explanations to that paper and there was no question about 60-65 marks - i was expecting over 80. this is a mystery for me how on earth i could be referred in that paper.........i may be wrong in my assessment but this could only be verified had i be given my marks. secondly my assessments never went wrong in ACCA!!!
hope this will clear some of my points, i am glad to know you have almost completed your CA Inter and i wish you all the best for your future exams.
Best Regards
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