05-23-2007, 05:40 PM
Dears,
I dont have any humanly objections on JAZIA becoz we all are paying similar things to our government. There has been made no distinction between taxation of muslims and non-muslims in pakistan which was in existence in that period. Again, this was a DUNYAVI matter of general administration and cannot attract big offensive allegations. Same Westrens when penetrated our areas did similar things and imposed various taxes (even on crops of agrarians) and took various free of cost labours.
The point started from distinguishing between the doings of HAQ and BATIL. I raised a point that whenevr HAQ was in power, it has done almost same things which are expected from others. I when quoting examples of Islam, only refer the wars which were fought during the life of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. I specifically mention FATAH MAKKAH. These were the example of greatest behaviour of muslims. The mulim emporers who came in governments during later periods were not upto it and there behaviour raises questions. All muslim emporers like Ghaznavi, Mughals Abbasies etc are being pointed out.
After the Wisaal of Prophet PBUH so much was gone wrong and I in my personal capacity cannot comment on it becoz there come very big names when we discuss such issues. So many points could be counted which had gone wrong in that period.
And we must note that all such points counted are not wrong. There was some thing which lead the shahaadat of our three Kaliphs. Among the murderers of Hazrat Usman-e-Ghani Raziallah, was a guy who was the son of Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddique Raziallah. At the time of shahaadat, he captured the beard (Darhi Mubarik) of Hazrat Usman Raziallah in his hands (Naoozbillah). When he did so, Hazrat Usman Raziallah said, "you know your father had a great respect for this beared". So the foundation was shattered by the men who were among the muslims. Who was YAZEED? Why there was a war between Hazrat Ali Karamallah Wajho's followers with the followers of Hazrat Ayesha Raziallah that killed thousands of noble muslims? These all are big issues and incidents for which our text books, general books, history books and our Ulema do not even speak.
We dont have to fight with any one other muslim if he wants to know the details of such problems embedded in the history of Islam.
Hazrat Umar Bin Khattab Raziallah have fought many wars. He was a great man of ALLAH and he must have reasons to do so. My mind is very tiny and my thought is very restricted. He must has done what was right. As Pracs say that there could have been problems of safe guarding some muslim minorities. In some cases when messengers of Islam went to other nations with a message of Islam, they were killed by such nations. In such cases (it is still the international rule that if some one's Ambassador is killed, war could be imposed) war was not a wrong action. Further, in many cases, Kufaar were involved in conspiracies and planning big wars against muslims. In scuh cases, they were stopped in their areas by sending muslims armies before their entering into the muslim territories. There were many reasons of such wars. One needs to study the history of Islam. You cant compare such wars with Mehmood Ghaznavi's attacks.
Still, I know that any Kaliph including Hazrat Umar Bin Khattab was not a Prophet (Naoozbillah). As such they were not directly guided by WAHI. They took decisions after counselling with other muslims and keeping in view other factors at various times. They were the most most noble men of ALLAH and they did not do anything which in their understanding was against the sayings of Propeht PBUH. STILL WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT THEY WERE NOT DIRECTLY GUIDED THROUGH wahi. Here lies the main difference.
One cannot forget that Hazrat Umar Bin Khattab Raziallah never used any facility for his ownself. We know the incidents where an arabian rudely asked Hazrat Umar R.Z. about his dress which was not supposed to be prepared from one cloth sheet while as per share of cloth sheets Hazrat Umar R.z. was suposed to get only one sheet. On the question of arabian the son of Hazrat Umar replied that yes his father's dress could not be made out of one sheet thats why he gifted his father his own share. After this clarification that arabian was not given any punishment. Rather, Hazrat Umar R.z. appreciated him very much and said that until the time such men would be the part of muslim Ummah, this Ummah will not go wrong.
We know that Hazrat Umar R.Z. was used to sleep in hut where he did not even have a gud bed and covers etc. He was used to sleep on ground and taking some brick under his head.
Any of his wars cannot be concluded to be supported by some personal intents (Naoozbillah). No personal benefit was ever taken.
Still, for a guideline I have faith on what has occured during the life of Prophet PBUH.
Jehad is still a duty for muslims. But we must have to make preparation for it. In no war, muslims were defeated in the era of Hazrat Umar Bin Khattaab R.Z. Why? Becoz muslims were a balanced power having greatest faiths.
We need to become a power. And we need to have greatest faiths.
Unfortunately both are missing.
So we cant do what those men of ALLAH have done. I have no doubt on it.
Best regards,
Kamran.
I dont have any humanly objections on JAZIA becoz we all are paying similar things to our government. There has been made no distinction between taxation of muslims and non-muslims in pakistan which was in existence in that period. Again, this was a DUNYAVI matter of general administration and cannot attract big offensive allegations. Same Westrens when penetrated our areas did similar things and imposed various taxes (even on crops of agrarians) and took various free of cost labours.
The point started from distinguishing between the doings of HAQ and BATIL. I raised a point that whenevr HAQ was in power, it has done almost same things which are expected from others. I when quoting examples of Islam, only refer the wars which were fought during the life of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. I specifically mention FATAH MAKKAH. These were the example of greatest behaviour of muslims. The mulim emporers who came in governments during later periods were not upto it and there behaviour raises questions. All muslim emporers like Ghaznavi, Mughals Abbasies etc are being pointed out.
After the Wisaal of Prophet PBUH so much was gone wrong and I in my personal capacity cannot comment on it becoz there come very big names when we discuss such issues. So many points could be counted which had gone wrong in that period.
And we must note that all such points counted are not wrong. There was some thing which lead the shahaadat of our three Kaliphs. Among the murderers of Hazrat Usman-e-Ghani Raziallah, was a guy who was the son of Hazrat Abu Bakar Siddique Raziallah. At the time of shahaadat, he captured the beard (Darhi Mubarik) of Hazrat Usman Raziallah in his hands (Naoozbillah). When he did so, Hazrat Usman Raziallah said, "you know your father had a great respect for this beared". So the foundation was shattered by the men who were among the muslims. Who was YAZEED? Why there was a war between Hazrat Ali Karamallah Wajho's followers with the followers of Hazrat Ayesha Raziallah that killed thousands of noble muslims? These all are big issues and incidents for which our text books, general books, history books and our Ulema do not even speak.
We dont have to fight with any one other muslim if he wants to know the details of such problems embedded in the history of Islam.
Hazrat Umar Bin Khattab Raziallah have fought many wars. He was a great man of ALLAH and he must have reasons to do so. My mind is very tiny and my thought is very restricted. He must has done what was right. As Pracs say that there could have been problems of safe guarding some muslim minorities. In some cases when messengers of Islam went to other nations with a message of Islam, they were killed by such nations. In such cases (it is still the international rule that if some one's Ambassador is killed, war could be imposed) war was not a wrong action. Further, in many cases, Kufaar were involved in conspiracies and planning big wars against muslims. In scuh cases, they were stopped in their areas by sending muslims armies before their entering into the muslim territories. There were many reasons of such wars. One needs to study the history of Islam. You cant compare such wars with Mehmood Ghaznavi's attacks.
Still, I know that any Kaliph including Hazrat Umar Bin Khattab was not a Prophet (Naoozbillah). As such they were not directly guided by WAHI. They took decisions after counselling with other muslims and keeping in view other factors at various times. They were the most most noble men of ALLAH and they did not do anything which in their understanding was against the sayings of Propeht PBUH. STILL WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT THEY WERE NOT DIRECTLY GUIDED THROUGH wahi. Here lies the main difference.
One cannot forget that Hazrat Umar Bin Khattab Raziallah never used any facility for his ownself. We know the incidents where an arabian rudely asked Hazrat Umar R.Z. about his dress which was not supposed to be prepared from one cloth sheet while as per share of cloth sheets Hazrat Umar R.z. was suposed to get only one sheet. On the question of arabian the son of Hazrat Umar replied that yes his father's dress could not be made out of one sheet thats why he gifted his father his own share. After this clarification that arabian was not given any punishment. Rather, Hazrat Umar R.z. appreciated him very much and said that until the time such men would be the part of muslim Ummah, this Ummah will not go wrong.
We know that Hazrat Umar R.Z. was used to sleep in hut where he did not even have a gud bed and covers etc. He was used to sleep on ground and taking some brick under his head.
Any of his wars cannot be concluded to be supported by some personal intents (Naoozbillah). No personal benefit was ever taken.
Still, for a guideline I have faith on what has occured during the life of Prophet PBUH.
Jehad is still a duty for muslims. But we must have to make preparation for it. In no war, muslims were defeated in the era of Hazrat Umar Bin Khattaab R.Z. Why? Becoz muslims were a balanced power having greatest faiths.
We need to become a power. And we need to have greatest faiths.
Unfortunately both are missing.
So we cant do what those men of ALLAH have done. I have no doubt on it.
Best regards,
Kamran.