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11-03-2010, 04:23 PM
Post: #166
 
Haan Ciapk boss jo mazaron per ho raha hay uss per apni roshni dalna.....Main samajta hun mazaron per jaa ker un k zariyay duain nahi karani chaiyay.

U know, Masjid-nabvi k ander main nay kai martaba dekha......kyun k poori dunya say log atay hain....Tu akser kaumo k log........Prophet Mohammad k Roze-mubarak k saath kharay ho ker Duain kartay hain.......Tu wahan jo molvi un jaalion k saath kharay hotay hain Woh unhain mana kartay hain k Duaa mat karo...........Sirf Salaam karo. Aur yeh cheeze mainay her martaba observe ki hay, Main jitni baar bhi wahan gya esaa hi hua hay......Main bhi sirf salaam karta hun.

Tu jani, Jab iss case main allow nahi hay ..........Tu kersay allow ho sakta hay Baki mazaron per ???

Toronto.

Yaar aap Wsalaam likhna bhool gai....juldi main...)

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11-03-2010, 05:01 PM
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Dear Yasir,

Its very clear for those who want to understand.

Narrated Anas RA Whenever drought threatened them, 'Umar bin Al-Khattab RA, used to ask Al-Abbas RA bin 'Abdul Muttalib to invoke Allah for rain. He used to say, "O Allah! We used to ask our Prophet to invoke You for rain, and You would bless us with rain, and now we ask his uncle to invoke You for rain. O Allah ! Bless us with rain."(1) And so it would rain.

(Chapter 31 Istasqa, Haids 123, Sahih Bukhari)

Is hadis e mubarik say 2 batain buhat saf ho jati hain,

1. Umar RA Hazrat Abbas RA ki buhat izaat krtay thay or jb koi moseebat aati tu un k pass ja k un say duaa kratay thay or Abbas RA duaa krtay thay or wo qubool ho jati the.( Kuch loog kaha krty hain NaoozBillah Umar RA Aal e Abbas n Hazrat Ali RA sy dushmni rkhtay thay).
2. Umar RA kbhi Muhammad SW ki Qbr e Mubarik pay dua mangnay nai gay k Allah Muhammad SW k waseelay sy barish frma.

So, dear i am very clear that buzurgo k pass jana or un say duaa ki drkhast krna bilcul theek hay or Mazar py ja k waseelay day k dua mangna bilcul ghalat hy k aisa amal kisi authentic reference say hmain Sahaba e Kiram ki zidagi sy nahi milta.

Actually, Muhammad SW ka waseela Muhammad SW ka Mubarik Amal hay agr un ki Sunnat k mutabiq duaa mangain tu actually woh sunnat amal he waseela hay dua ki quboliat ka.
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11-03-2010, 07:21 PM
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thnks for ur contribution toronto ) ......... n ciapk tumhari to kia hi baat hai dear bohat achy treqy sy smjhatay ho or smjh b ajata hai.in sb posts ko prh k or raat jo khichri mairay dimagh mai chl rahi thi to mairay dimagh ki adalat is natijy py pohnchi k in mzaron,drbaron k chkron mai prn hi ni chahye.as jitna mai jaan pai hon awal to ye mzaar bnana jaiz hi ni hai khuba-e-haj-tul-wida mai AP S.A.W ny khud frmaya tha k qbrain pki mt krwana/mzar mt bnana etc (mafhoom kuch yunhi tha) or jo kaam udher ho rahay hain wo tu u-tube py daikh k her ze-shaor bnda smjh skta hai.na dil un baton ko manta na dimagh.....to sidha sidha saaf suthri zindagi guzaro,nmaz roza,panchon fraiz puray kro,dua mangtay huae us k aadab mlhozykhatir rkho,koshish kr k kisi ka dil ni dukhao,naik kaam chotay chotay hi sahi jitna ho sky koshish kro krny ki,lagav zban istimal na karo.hum bs yehi kr lain to humaray liey behter hai.....n moreover for all who read gud books gr kuch b sch or achi baat janay to usko positive way mai dosray ko b btain , healthy discussion k sath.
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11-03-2010, 07:25 PM
Post: #169
 
Dear CIAPK

Main tasawuf aur tariqat ke bare main apkee bat se kafi had tak muatfiq hun lekin jhan tak taswuf ya tariqat ka sawal hai to iska qatayee inkar na mumkin hai. Apne Imam Shafi aur Imam Hanbal ke aqwal quote kiay hain lekin taswuf k imam Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jeelani R.A Imam Hanblle ko follow kerte the aur baz waqt Fiqah Shaifia ke mutabiq bhee fatwa dia kerte the. Shariat pe chalna asan hai lekin tariqat pe chalna do dhari talwar pe chalne k mutradif ha. Beherhal hum keh sakte hain k baz sufia se sangeen ghaltian sarzand huyeen jis kee waja se Islam ko nuqsan phoncha. But sub continent k aese ulemah jin se taqriban sare main sects aqeedat rakhte hain maslan Majadid Alfe Sani aur Shah Waliullah Muahadis Dehlvi kisi had tak taswuf se taluq rakhte the. Apne Maulana Roomi ka zikar kia aur unki kitab ka bhee is doran eik inthayee qabile aitraz mozu bhee zaire behas ane laga tha lekin apne usko avoid ker ke acha kia

Allam Ibne Jozee (R.A) kee ek kitab hai Talbees-E-Iblees bohat mashoor kitab hai kisi bhee library se asani se mil saktee hai. Is kitab main unhon ne ek bab bandha hai "Sufia Pe Talbees Iblees" is kitab ka ya kamaz kam us bab ka mutal zaroor kijiay ga. Jab app Imam Jozee R.A kee kitab Talbees-E-Iblees ke bab "Sufia Pe Talbees-eIblees" ka matuala karainge to ap khayal karaing ke Imam sahab taswuf ke bilkul khilaf hain but Imam Jozee kee 2 books aur hain
1. "Al Mudhish" and 2 "Beharad Damu (Aansoonon ka Samandar)" Jab ap in ka matala kariange to apko lagay ga ke Imam Jozee khud tasawuf k aalim hain

Bhai kehne ka maqsad yeh hai k hum ko tariqat aur tasawuf k bare main balanced approach apnani chayee.
Dosree baat jo log shariat per amal nhn kerte ek waqt kee namaz nhn parhte wo bhala taswuf ko kia jane. Teesree bat hum Shariat k mutakalif hain hum se taswuf k bare main sawal nhn hoga. Ek aur baat k taswuf whan se shuru hota hai jab banda sharyiat kee mairaj pe phonch jay . Wo jahil log jo gusul aur wuzu k faraiz se tak waqif nhn ek waqt kee namaz nhn parhte un jahil logon ka tariqat se koyee taluq nhn ha.

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11-03-2010, 07:29 PM
Post: #170
 
Dear All I have stated my view point in above post but in future it will be too difficult for me , due to some commitments, to write anything or further elaborate my view point .
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11-03-2010, 08:29 PM
Post: #171
 
Awais.

Dear fursat milay tu CIA Exemption wali thread per bhi ek nazar farmaa lena.

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11-03-2010, 09:01 PM
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Awais.

Dear fursat milay tu CIA Exemption wali thread per bhi ek nazar farmaa lena.

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Dear Yasir

Bro check the thread CIA Exemption main ne tafseeli jawab de dia hai apki query ka
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11-03-2010, 09:15 PM
Post: #173
 
Dear Awais,

I really appreciate your reply, aap nay buhat say logo ki tarah behas bray behas nahi ki or Tasawuf k dark areas ko support nahin kia wrna aisay bhi loog main nay daikhay hain jo apnay maslik ki hr ghalat bat ko mehaz is liay support krtay hain k unka maslik ghalat sabit na ho jay us k liay din rat surf kr k logics dhndtay hain or zaeef say zaeef even ghri hoi Ahadees paish krnay main bhi nahin ghbratay. Allah apko iska ajar day, Ameen.

However, main shaid apki baat say ittefaq nahi kr sakoon ga, mujy word tareekat pay he ietrza hay, Tareekat mean Rasta ( kis ka rasta yay Allah he janay) while Sunnat means Rasta Muhammad SW ka. So, name say he zahir ho jata hay k tareekat Muhammad SW k rasta bahar hal nahin hay kionkay wo Rasta Sunnat he kehlata hay.

Tareekat walay is baat k dawa krtay hain jis ki bal brabar shariat main kmi hay uski tareekat shuroo he nahin ho skti. laikin infact aisa hy nahin, Tareekat apni bunyad main Islam sy takrati hay. Shah Wali Ullah RA meray liay buhat qabil e ihtram hain k wo mohadis bhi thay n aalim bhi of tasawaf bhi unka mozo e behas raha laikin un say Ziada ihtram meray liay Muhammad SW ki zaat hay, agr Tareeqat k madarij ki agr koi agr importance hoti tu yay Quran main zror hotay, agr wahan nahin tu km sy km is process ka zikar Muhammad SW zaror krtay. Sirf apnay nafs ko paak krnay k jo tareeqay Tareeqat main hain wo Muhammad SW ki sunnat main hain na Sahaba e Kiram RA k tareeqon main.

Ap agree krtay hain hmain Allah nay Tareekat k liay jwab deh nai bnaya, tu jo cheez kisi insan say pochi he nahi jay ge us k ghair aeham honay main kia shak hay? Us cheez k oper Sufia apni zindagian kiun brbad kr daitay hain? just kuch super natural type powers hasil krnay k liay? Jis cheez ka muslman sy swal he nahi hona offcourse uska swal na tu Allam Jozee RA say hona hay na Ibne Arabi say na Mansor say na Imam Ghazali RA say Na Shah Wali Ullah RA say tu us cheez ko smjhnay ki koshish he kiun ki gai?

Ap nay kaha Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal RA k follower thay, for arguments I agree, laikin kia saray hanafi imam abu Hanifa RA ko follow krtay hain? yaqeenun nahin as Imam Abu Hanfia RA k shagirdoon main Imam Abu Yousuf RA or Imam Muhammad RA nay buhat say masil o aqaid main Imam abu Hanifa RA sy ikhtelaf kia. So, may be Shaikh Abdul Qadir RA nay bhi is mamlay main ikhtelaf kia ho.

Okay, Sab mantay hain k Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani RA Walion k sardar hain. main b man laita hun but Shaikh sb say pocha gya k kia Hanabla k illawa bhi kisi mslik main wali hoa? ap nay frmaya Na tu hoa hay or na he kbi ho ga. ( book ka refernce on demand). Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jillani apni book Ghuniat Talibeen main Gumrah Firqoon ka name byan krtay hoay likhtay hain mafhoom Baaz ashab e abu Hanfia, imam jin k Numan bin sabit koofi hain Kia, aap aik wali ki yay baat tasleem kr lain gay? agr kr lain gay tu Hanafi Olia tu Olia hoay he nahin?

So, y not we should agree upon authentic sayings of one and only one, last and final, imam e aazam and peer e azam, Allah k sb say bri shan walay Nabi, or Habib, Prophet Muhammad SW, instead of quoting Imam jozee RA,Imam jilanai RA, imam ghzali RA, imam Qayam RA, Imam Tamima RA, Shah Wali Ullah n all others sb Aik he Nabi SW k mureed kiun nahin ho jatay?.

Being Aalim yes hmain tmam msalik k ulema ki izaat krni chahyay laikin wo izzat itni na ho k wo apnay ap ko Nabi declare kr dain jaisa k yousuf py alligation hay ( Allah janay sach hay ya nai)

Ap nay kaha k Tasawuf wahan say shuroo hota hay jahan shariat apni meeraj pay pohanch jati hay. Meray bhai shariat ki meeraj ka mtlab hay k aik muslman Quran ki hr baat pay amal krta hay or Allah ka Nabi SW ki Sunnat ko 100% follow krta hay. Jb muslman is meeraj per pohanch gia tu agay baqi kia hay? ap mazeed an us say kia krwana chahtay hain? kia us k jannat main janay main koi shak shuba hay? offcourse mqsad tu sb ka jannat main jana or jannat main Muhammad SW ka qurb pana he he hay. Tu tareekat ki zrorat kia hay?

All are requested to take and think it in positive sense.
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11-04-2010, 10:17 PM
Post: #174
 
He is a nice person -) ..
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11-10-2010, 04:20 AM
Post: #175
 
Very well put by ciapk I must say, appreciate and accept; although I differ on some aspects which I don't want to write specifically. Yet a few things I wish to say.

I feel that the presumed MUSTs prescribed by Shariah for every muslim are what we call firstly as Faraiz and then secondly as Sunnah (except a few things); while the things which were not MUSTs but done by Prophet PBUH invariably throughout his life as Mustahab or Nafal or noble acts (may be called in any other words) are the things which Auliyas follow in addition to the MUSTs. Normal human cannot follow that in too much detail as these are out of his apprehension, ability and understanding. That’s why these have not been prescribed as MUSTs by Shariah. Yes, Non-Musts can come only when Musts have been perfectly practiced.

Here I have no doubt that Shahriah and Sunnah provide a full framework for perfect social setup and life. Yet, if this was too enough then there arise many questions about non-musts done and practiced.

Praying all the nights, praying Tahajjuds and Nawaafals, Tasbeehs, crying with tears for Ummah, fasting for many months, going to Ghaar-e-Hira so oftenly for worship of Allah and for getting direct guidance (although no body excatly knows) and many more things are there which don't make part of MUSTs or "prescribed" Shariah's elements. No one exactly knows why Prophet PBUH used to go to Ghaar-e-Hira even before the time when Rooh-ul-Qudus brought the message of Allah and before the time Prophet PBUH was sent a WAHI. Was it merely for normal prayer? There are many aspects which we common men don't know and which had been between Allah and his Prophet PBUH.

One further point, praying for Jannah, following prescribed Shariah elements etc are fine being Faraiz or Sunnah but these cannot ensure Jannah for any one though we as humans even cannot doubt on Allah's Rehmat as well. So saying that "would there be any doubt as to Jannah after doing this all" is not appropriate. Here, I don't mean to say that anything over and above the prescribed MUSTs can ensure it. No; it is only as per Allah's will. So this question does not exist at all out-rightly.

On other side praying for the wish of Jannah is not odd as per shariah principles; yet praying with real love of Allah is totally a different thing. You can find millions praying with fear of Allah's Jahanum or with the wish of Allah's Jannah BUT you can rarely (rather very rarely) find someone praying only and only and only due to Love (Ishq) of Allah with no greed of deen or dunya and Jannah or Jahnum. This sounds weird but is a fact. The ones among us who say that their prayers are due to Ishq are liars. I don't hesitate saying this.

A question always strikes my mind the answer of which of course may be known to the people of knowledge and vision. Why Hazrat Awais Qarni R.A. did not come to see the Prophet PBUH and join Muslims for direct guidance from Prophet PBUH and to participate in Jehad-o-Tableegh etc? Was looking-after an aged mother an all inclusive reason? Was this reason greater and important than the cause of Islam? This question strikes me because I don’t forget the mothers who their-self sacrificed their sons for Islam by sending them for Jehad. I remember the sons who did Qataal against their fathers for the cause of Islam. I don’t forget the men of Allah who separated theirselves for life times from their kids and wives saying that Allah is enough to watch their well being in case of their shahadat in Jehad. I don’t forget the Hadees that the Faith is not perfect if the Prophet PBUH’s love is lesser than the love of even parents. So, to me this is not so simple and there must be other quite valid reasons behind this incident. This is a food for thought as well though I request fellows to avoid criticizing it for our own reasons.

I always feel that we lack knowing the secret; which secret, is also a question.

I personally tend to avoid denying the out-right existence of any such thing because our knowledge is limited and one corner of thread of faith is hidden always. Yes, calling an illiterate act as illiterate is not under question.

I have no doubt that I am not discussing the people the example of which has been referred through a YouTube video. So, it should not be mixed up.

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11-22-2010, 07:40 PM
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Dear Kamran Sb,

Thank you so much for your valuable and informative comments. What is your point of view regarding the following.

Muhammad SW Ghar e Hira main Namaz ya Meditation (Wallah o Aalam) k liay tashreef lay jatay thay but jb Wahi nazil hoi k uthyay or apnay khandan waloon ko draiay, us k baad AP SW nay gosha nasheeni tarak kr di or hmain bhi gosha nasheeni ki zindagi sy mna frma dia,(reference on demand) thats y hmain Sahaba Kiram ki zindagi main bhi Khankahi nizam milta hay na swa lakh danoo wali tasbian bulkay unhoo nay apni sari zindagi community main reh k Jihad krtay hoay guzari or ratain Tahajud main. ( Kia aap nahin smjtay agr Sahaba Kiram ki is sunnat ko jari rakha jata bjay apni apni khankahoon main bayth k Allah ki haqeeqat smjnay or ishq Elahi ki koshishain na ki jatin tu aj Ummat ka hal different hota?)

I agree k saray amal krny k bad bhi Janat Allah ki rehmat say he milay gi, so jb main nay likha k aik shakhs 100% shariat per amal krta hay tu main ny assume kia tha Allah ki rehmat ki umeed bhi us main shamil hay.

Hazrat Awais Qarni R.A k baray main mera aik point of view hay may be ap loog differ krain, Unki Niat saf the or wo AP sw k deedar ki bayhad talab rakhtay thay but Walida k hukam k bghair nai ja sktay thay, so jahan yay hay k emaan kamil nahi hota jab tak Muhammad SW ki mohabbat pori dnya sy ziada na ho jay, Laikin deedar na kr skna is baat ki dalil nahin ho skti k Mohabbat km the, usi Mohabbat ka yay sila dia gya Allah ki taraf say k un sy Hazrat Umar R.A nay apni bakhshish ki dua krwai according to advice of Muhammad SW. Baqi Jihad na kr skna tu Taking care of elderly parents, as the prophet Muhammad ordered a youth to do, instead of joining a military campaign (Narrated by Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, and al-Nasa'i).
Waisay bhi AP SW ka hukam hay k walidain ki hr baat manoo sway shirk krnay k hukam k so Hazrat Awais R.A nay AP SW ka hukam mana or Sahabi k drja bhi mil gia.( Is main mujy koi dosra secret nzar nahin aata, apka kia khyal hay?)

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11-25-2010, 06:34 PM
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Dear Ciapk

As far as Ghar-e-Hira is concerned, it is one of the examples; and everything done by the Propeht PBUH is a Sunnah for us. It was not a Gosha Nasheenee in the meaning that has been prohibited in Islam.

Prophet PBUH, even before announcing to public about his ProphetHood, was largely known as a perfect, balanced, positive and noble social personality. That's why he was called as Sadiq and Ameen (PBUH). So, there was never a question of any gosha nasheenee at all. Visits to Ghar-e-Hira were known to be short tenured and intended for praying and worshiping to Allah.

However, after annoucement of ProphetHood (PBUH) there were too many responsibilities to Ummah and a concept of praying in Jamaats was in vouge, that's why visits to Ghar-e-Hira were curtailed/rescinded (perhaps). Still, praying all the nights till before Fajar and Qayaam-o-Rakoo-o-Sajood for the Ummah's future and Islam's success remained part of life of Prophet (PBUH) which of course are not compuslory for every one and are not the part of Faraaiz.

By my last post, I meant that there are some MUSTs and there are some Non-Musts; until and unless the Non-Musts don't collide with Sharia and till the time these are within the permitted practices, these are supposed to enhance Allah's love and Rehmat for a human being. However, these should not form part of Bidaat which is another topic.

The Sahaba-e-Karaam were said to be like the stars of the skies by Prophet (PBUH). I believe Hazrat Awais Qarni R.A. was extremely willing and intending to have deedaar of the Prophet (PBUH). So, the question was merely to point out an incidence as food for thought. If this incidence appears so simple and straight forward (as you have concluded) then there can arise a number of questions for a student of religion, which you yourself can find from the history by having a comparative study. I personally believe there were certainly some other logical grounds and reasons which perhaps are and were not to be made public (not so sure though; as Holy Quran asks to ponder on and research). The incidence of prayer by Hazrat Awais Qarni R.A. for Hazrat umar Bin Khattab R.A. quoted by you also supports the validity of my saying that such incidence is a food for thought.

You study the bio-graphies of all Sahaba-e-Karam R.A.; and I believe you would find some special things about Hazrat Awais Qarni R.A. (All praises are for Allah). May Allah be happy with them and bestow all his mercies, love, blessings and rehmat on such shining stars of our golden Islamic era; and make us to follow their path in a real sense.

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11-26-2010, 08:28 PM
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Ameen,

Dear Kamran Sb,

1. I fully agreed "Non-Musts don't collide with Sharia and till the time these are within the permitted practices, these are supposed to enhance Allah's love and Rehmat for a human being. However, these should not form part of Bidaat which is another topic".

2. I may not fully agreed with a para from your second last post "BUT you can rarely (rather very rarely) find someone praying only and only and only due to Love (Ishq) of Allah with no greed of deen or dunya and Jannah or Jahnum. This sounds weird but is a fact"

This is very close to a typical statement given by Sufias (La Mehboba Ill Lallah, La Maqsooda Ill LAllah)(They love only Allah and they want only Allah despite the hope and fear of Jannat n Jahanam respectively)

In my view the persons who most love Allah in the highest category of love were Prophet Muhammad SW and Anbiya e Kiram A.S and nobody in this world never ever could claim that he loves Allah more than the holly Prophet Muhammad SW and Anbiya A.S. So, if I agree with your statement then I would have to be agree that Muhammad SW and other Anbiya A.S was offering prayers,doing Abidah n weeping was due to Ishq e Elahi only not for Jahnam or Jannat?. In my view this is not correct as this idea confront with Holy Quran and Sahih Ahadith. e.g

While talking about Hazrat Yonus A.S and Hazrat Zikriya o Yahya A.S Allah said in Sorah Anbiya 21, Ayat 90 " o We answered his call, and We bestowed upon him Yahya, and cured his wife (to bear a child) for him. Verily, they used to hasten on to do good deeds, and they used to call on Us with hope and fear, and used to humble themselves before Us".(I think that was a hope of Jannah and fear of Jahanum or hope of acceptance of Dua or fear of rejection of Duaa)

Further it is cleared,

Jabir ibn Abdullah narrated that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, said, “(I saw in a dream that) I entered Paradise, and behold, there was a palace built of gold. I asked, ‘Whose is this palace?’ They (the angels) replied, ‘For a man from the Quraysh.’ So I thought it might be I, so I asked, ‘And who is he?’ They said, ‘Umar Ibnul Khattab.’ Nothing stopped me form entering it except your Ghirah (sense of honor).” Umar said, “My Ghirah would never be offended by you, O Messenger of Allah.” (Bukhari and Muslim)

Furthermore,

Muslim reports from Aishah (ra) that there was a solar eclipse in the time of the Messenger (sw) and he said, “Whilst I was standing here I saw everything that you have been promised, I even saw myself picking some of the fruits of Paradise, when you saw me stepping forward. And I saw Hellfire, parts of it consuming other parts, when you saw me stepping backward”.


From a few reference above I think that Prophets who love Allah more than any other creature do have feelings of hope of Jannah its fruits and Palaces and stepping forward for them and also do have fear of hellfire and stepping backward for it and love of Allah almighty was off course there.

Therefore, i dont agree with the saying that some one have La Matlooba Ill Allah and La Maqsooda IllAllah and he pray only due to Ishq e Elahi and dont have hope for Jannah n fear of Jahanum as he couldn't be greater than Prophets.

3. As far as I know about Hazrat Awais Qarni R.A His full name is Uways b. `Âmir b. Juz’ b. Mâlik b. Murâd al-Qarnî. He embraced Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him), but he did not meet him. For this reason, he is not a Companion, but a Successor of Companions called Companion. He died in the Battle of Siffîn in the year 37 AH.(Fighting against Hazrat Muawia R.A from Hazrat Ali R.A side)

There are three Ahadiths about him that could be claimed as authentic (By Mohadisin).

`Umar b. al-Khattâb relates [Sahîh Muslim (2542)]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said “There will come to you a person from Yemen who will be called Uways. He would have no one in Yemen except his mother. He will have been afflicted with leprosy and will have supplicated to Allah about it and He will have cured him except for a patch the size of a silver or gold coin. Whoever amongst you meets him should ask him to supplicate for your forgiveness.”

In another narration from `Umar b. al-Khattâb, it reads [Sahîh Muslim (2542)]

I heard the Prophet (peace be upon him) say “Indeed, the best of the Successors will be a man called Uways. He will have his mother and he will have been afflicted with leprosy. So ask him to supplicate for your forgiveness.”

In another narration from `Umar b. al-Khattâb, it reads [Sahîh Muslim (2542)]

I heard Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) say “There will come to you Uways b. `Âmir along with the people arriving as reinforcements from Yemen. He will be of Murâd then of Qarn. He will have been afflicted with leprosy and will have recovered except for a patch the size of a silver coin. He will have a mother whom he will honor. If he swears by Allah, Allah will bring his oath to fruition. Therefore, if you are able to have him supplicate for your forgiveness, then do so.”


This is what we have that is authentically narrated about Uways al-Qarnî R.A. Other narrations are inauthentic. There are indeed quite a number of hadîth about him that have been fabricated.(We can check that other ahadiths about Him are included in "ilsilah al-Ahâdîth al-Da`îfah wa al-Mawdû`ah (4/198 # 1707) and (5/234 # 2209)by Albani along with reason to be called as zaeef or fabricated)

There is a full body of knowledge that deals with the study of narrators and which facilitates the distinguishing of false hadîth from authentic ones.

Hazrat Awais R.A mostly quoted by Ahle Tashee people (as being fought for Hazrat Ali R.A being Shian e Ali R.A) or by Sufi Islam followers to start their silsila jat who believe that Zaeef Ahadith regarding NON MUSTS could be used as Hujjat for make the community more pious and who also believe upon Wahdat ul Wajood and Wahdat Ul Shahood as stories about Him (true of false)are most suited for their basic ideologies and preachings.

Allah knows the best.

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11-27-2010, 05:25 PM
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Definitely Allah knows the best!!!

Praying for fear of Jahanum or a wish of Jannah is not prohibited as these have apparently been associated with the deeds and concluded as an outcome thereof by the commandments of God. However, I am no body to comment on the intent and purpose of prayers of Prophets (Peace Be Upon Them). I was talking about people like us.

Yet I believe, that the prayers of all the noble men who have been elevated by Allah cannot/were not empty of Allah's love; though the fears and wishes may be a part as well.

Yes, I rarely (rather, very very rarely) see any person (at least these days) to be praying merely (or primarily) for Allah's love. I wish the readers to understand that the word "RARELY" does not deny the out-right existance of some thing.

Notwithstanding this specific issue, Non-Musts have always been practiced and are fully covered within the concept of Islam, and these non-musts have ever been supposed to enhance the darajaat or to help seeking forgiveness. Both such persumed catalysts are said to be helpful for removing impurities and increasing Allah's love.

Thanks for the Ahadees and quotations about Hazrat Awais Qarni R.A. These quotations support my feeling that his (R.A.) personality is likely to be studied and pondered upon. These also clarify that the incident was not so simple and straight forward. If you don't feel so; or you feel that it was two plus two, then I don't have to argue because it is the matter of every one's own understanding and satisfaction.


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11-29-2010, 01:07 AM
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Dear Kamran sb

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