10-23-2004, 11:55 PM
Dear Aamir
I haven¡¦t started mud throwing, my so called offensive post was relevant to the topic and my friend lost the point.
Dear XBRL
u said "Any way being one of the old members I initiate the peace and convey that do not consider it as mere retaliation."
do u REALLY intend to have peace¡K¡K.i doubt?
just say once YES you dont want me to retaliate, OR say it loud and clear that NO azeem you must respond to those personal allegations.
the whole issue is around my AGGRESSION....please correct me if i am wrong......i admit - reading crap makes me extremely aggressive.....
my dear friend just look at YOURSELF, you are doing the same thing (but in a pathetic way) which i did when one of our members was using such tone against an accounting qualification. You are retaliating just because you dont like the was i SPEAK, u think i hurt people and i have some kind of Superiority Complex.
you are reascting like me in a poor way because although i get aggressive but i dont get into personalities.......u are teaching me Etiquettes and even referring a RULE BOOK.........does that Rule Book allows you to GO PEROSNAL when you dont have enough MATTER to say on the subject or even when you are trying to teach HOW TO RESPECT???.
just have a look on the folowing quotes, this is when i was still very softy softy responding to mr nascars "quotable quotes"
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ACCA is like a person doing a druggist (compounder) course and pretending that he/she will become a doctor.
Well ACCA also requires lots of professional hands on training for example u can complete ur 3 year training by preparing books for a beauty parlor. (true in UK). A STR can be signed by any tom dick and harry, nobody cares.
If ACCA is better or even equal to ACA why do most of the ACCAs opt for CA. Isn¡¦t ACCA enough!!!. Why do very few ACA opt for ACCA. Is it because u don¡¦t need an ACCA after CA.
Wats the minimum starting pay for an ACCA, don¡¦t know ? why there isn¡¦t any market. Fresh CA pays are well defined and very few are jobless if any.
Profession is identified by audits but paper 3.1 audit and assurance services is optional. Meaning a person can be an ACCA without studying audit at an advanced stage.
U r sure of passing ACCA, gr8 so anyone can do it. Gr8 quality na.
My own opinion the problem with ACCAs is that they always consider that they are equal or better that an ACA but they don¡¦t try to prove it in the market. I am sure that an ACA will never promote an ACCA but ACCAs will have to remember that they have to fight to make their own market. If they don¡¦t they can never be equal or better in Pakistan. Its just like ACMAs they can only advertise that they are the best paid in UK. Wat bout Pakistan.
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My response to the above
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to start with, one cannot compare professional qualifications with eachother, they are all good and difficult thats why they are recognised as Professional Qualifications unlike degrees.
now if we are talking in a pakistani scenerio then there is nothing much but a professional prejudice and tussel between all the the pak prof qualifications, CA is always on the winning end mostly because of our monetary policies backed by our Finance Ministers who usually happen to be CAs. Personally i give credit to ICAP for establishing such an atmosphere where no employer thinks of other than CAs. as far as other countries are concerned (being living abroad i can say this with absolute surety) ACCA is considered at par with CA or CMA.
now all i can say that either the whole world is stupid or only pakistani employers specially CAs (most intelligent creature) are genius. people who believe in later part of my sentence need a good psychatrist to unfold there ego problem of superiority.
i do believe CA (pak) is difficult to complete so as CMA (pak) but this is not because it is tough or it encompasses something which is not taught in ACCA, it is only because of the UNFAIR examination system of these institutes, have u ever considered why examination sheets are Graded as A, B , C or whatever, why dont they publish the exact marks as ACCA and other professional qualifications do. if u never thought of that before.....think now. secondly the the stage (part) pass system makes CA and CMA more difficult to do unlike ACCA where u can pass individual papers.
coming back to who is genius who is not, u cannot judge it by the qualification one has, it all depends upon the person itself, i know many CAs who know nothing what they do, i know many ACCAs who are far better than anyother prof qualified person.....so this declines the argument.
yes CAs do have a edge over others mainly because of the training they get while doing their articles, which is more important than the book knowledge which CMA (pak) students have more than anyone i have seen.
i rest my case with the forum, and would request members of this group to think rationally, talking high can never make u superior unless u prove it.
Kind Regards
Azeem Shah Khan
Audit and Assuarance
Hardy & Company
Chartered Accountants
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my above response is not new to you, as you quoted some of the lines from it in ur earlier post which were not making sense. I have enough guts to post the whole post here again on this forum. I am not ashamed of my earlier posts nor can anyone make fun of them if POSTED COMPLETELY.
this is the ONLY forum where i have been "confronted" in such a way, because some members donot deserve to be treated in an ethical way.
i never apologised coz of any THREAT from the senior members, nor i seek their support as SOME of us do. Never on this forum any SENIOR MEMBER criticized me of my aggressive attitude SO you are the only ¡§GENTLEMAN¡¨. i infact do positive discussions with them in a HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL way not by throwing mud on them just because I think I cant handle them - they are too aggressive. thats why they dont take me the way you do........copy/pasting few lines of my posts where i was infact condenming the use of OFFENSIVE language ¡V Now you proving them as my sign of DISRESPECT shows your Professional Etiquette¡K¡K..perhaps go and read that Rule Book yourself.
yes i dont give a **** to what you THINK of me. i WILL use even stronger words if i believe you are going (and saying not only thinking) personal and i tell u one more thing I DONT NEED YOUR PERMISSION or SENIORS APPROVAL to do that.
Getting personal is fine¡K¡K¡K..using the word crap is a crime¡K¡K¡Kwakeup my friend!
CRAP is a word which has previously been used by other member in the same forum.......i m not sure about the word PISSED OFF though.
you call yourself NOT AS STRAIGHT FORWARD or AGGRESSIVE and then write essays in such a tone..............what a gentleman¡K..
now i call myself AGGRESSIVE and STRAIGHT FORWARD......what do you expect me to write?????????? ¡§Scattering ROSES¡¨
my friend we live in a world where YOU must be able to counter anyone, i think my style will prove to be an excellent learning point for juniors when they will get a job and find an even more AGGRESSIVE senior.
As regards my client relations are concerned, Allhumdulillah I have got very good relations with all of them and infact I have been commended by many for having a STRAIGHT APPROACH ¡K¡K¡K..
Your references to ICAP and SECP in your post made me believe you are in Pakistan
Your are upset because of my approach, and I am upset by yours¡K¡K... You believe I disrespect other members I believe you disrespect other members by getting personal...¡K
I m not going to apologise coz you will take it as SYMPATHY gainer¡K¡K¡K¡K.not to mention your words "Any way being one of the old members I initiate the peace and convey that do not consider it as mere retaliation."
Yes you are a peace lover¡K¡K..i can see that.
Come on yaar ƺ
Best Regards
azeem
I haven¡¦t started mud throwing, my so called offensive post was relevant to the topic and my friend lost the point.
Dear XBRL
u said "Any way being one of the old members I initiate the peace and convey that do not consider it as mere retaliation."
do u REALLY intend to have peace¡K¡K.i doubt?
just say once YES you dont want me to retaliate, OR say it loud and clear that NO azeem you must respond to those personal allegations.
the whole issue is around my AGGRESSION....please correct me if i am wrong......i admit - reading crap makes me extremely aggressive.....
my dear friend just look at YOURSELF, you are doing the same thing (but in a pathetic way) which i did when one of our members was using such tone against an accounting qualification. You are retaliating just because you dont like the was i SPEAK, u think i hurt people and i have some kind of Superiority Complex.
you are reascting like me in a poor way because although i get aggressive but i dont get into personalities.......u are teaching me Etiquettes and even referring a RULE BOOK.........does that Rule Book allows you to GO PEROSNAL when you dont have enough MATTER to say on the subject or even when you are trying to teach HOW TO RESPECT???.
just have a look on the folowing quotes, this is when i was still very softy softy responding to mr nascars "quotable quotes"
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Quotable quotes bout ACCAs
ACCA is like a person doing a druggist (compounder) course and pretending that he/she will become a doctor.
Well ACCA also requires lots of professional hands on training for example u can complete ur 3 year training by preparing books for a beauty parlor. (true in UK). A STR can be signed by any tom dick and harry, nobody cares.
If ACCA is better or even equal to ACA why do most of the ACCAs opt for CA. Isn¡¦t ACCA enough!!!. Why do very few ACA opt for ACCA. Is it because u don¡¦t need an ACCA after CA.
Wats the minimum starting pay for an ACCA, don¡¦t know ? why there isn¡¦t any market. Fresh CA pays are well defined and very few are jobless if any.
Profession is identified by audits but paper 3.1 audit and assurance services is optional. Meaning a person can be an ACCA without studying audit at an advanced stage.
U r sure of passing ACCA, gr8 so anyone can do it. Gr8 quality na.
My own opinion the problem with ACCAs is that they always consider that they are equal or better that an ACA but they don¡¦t try to prove it in the market. I am sure that an ACA will never promote an ACCA but ACCAs will have to remember that they have to fight to make their own market. If they don¡¦t they can never be equal or better in Pakistan. Its just like ACMAs they can only advertise that they are the best paid in UK. Wat bout Pakistan.
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My response to the above
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Dear all
to start with, one cannot compare professional qualifications with eachother, they are all good and difficult thats why they are recognised as Professional Qualifications unlike degrees.
now if we are talking in a pakistani scenerio then there is nothing much but a professional prejudice and tussel between all the the pak prof qualifications, CA is always on the winning end mostly because of our monetary policies backed by our Finance Ministers who usually happen to be CAs. Personally i give credit to ICAP for establishing such an atmosphere where no employer thinks of other than CAs. as far as other countries are concerned (being living abroad i can say this with absolute surety) ACCA is considered at par with CA or CMA.
now all i can say that either the whole world is stupid or only pakistani employers specially CAs (most intelligent creature) are genius. people who believe in later part of my sentence need a good psychatrist to unfold there ego problem of superiority.
i do believe CA (pak) is difficult to complete so as CMA (pak) but this is not because it is tough or it encompasses something which is not taught in ACCA, it is only because of the UNFAIR examination system of these institutes, have u ever considered why examination sheets are Graded as A, B , C or whatever, why dont they publish the exact marks as ACCA and other professional qualifications do. if u never thought of that before.....think now. secondly the the stage (part) pass system makes CA and CMA more difficult to do unlike ACCA where u can pass individual papers.
coming back to who is genius who is not, u cannot judge it by the qualification one has, it all depends upon the person itself, i know many CAs who know nothing what they do, i know many ACCAs who are far better than anyother prof qualified person.....so this declines the argument.
yes CAs do have a edge over others mainly because of the training they get while doing their articles, which is more important than the book knowledge which CMA (pak) students have more than anyone i have seen.
i rest my case with the forum, and would request members of this group to think rationally, talking high can never make u superior unless u prove it.
Kind Regards
Azeem Shah Khan
Audit and Assuarance
Hardy & Company
Chartered Accountants
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my above response is not new to you, as you quoted some of the lines from it in ur earlier post which were not making sense. I have enough guts to post the whole post here again on this forum. I am not ashamed of my earlier posts nor can anyone make fun of them if POSTED COMPLETELY.
this is the ONLY forum where i have been "confronted" in such a way, because some members donot deserve to be treated in an ethical way.
i never apologised coz of any THREAT from the senior members, nor i seek their support as SOME of us do. Never on this forum any SENIOR MEMBER criticized me of my aggressive attitude SO you are the only ¡§GENTLEMAN¡¨. i infact do positive discussions with them in a HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL way not by throwing mud on them just because I think I cant handle them - they are too aggressive. thats why they dont take me the way you do........copy/pasting few lines of my posts where i was infact condenming the use of OFFENSIVE language ¡V Now you proving them as my sign of DISRESPECT shows your Professional Etiquette¡K¡K..perhaps go and read that Rule Book yourself.
yes i dont give a **** to what you THINK of me. i WILL use even stronger words if i believe you are going (and saying not only thinking) personal and i tell u one more thing I DONT NEED YOUR PERMISSION or SENIORS APPROVAL to do that.
Getting personal is fine¡K¡K¡K..using the word crap is a crime¡K¡K¡Kwakeup my friend!
CRAP is a word which has previously been used by other member in the same forum.......i m not sure about the word PISSED OFF though.
you call yourself NOT AS STRAIGHT FORWARD or AGGRESSIVE and then write essays in such a tone..............what a gentleman¡K..
now i call myself AGGRESSIVE and STRAIGHT FORWARD......what do you expect me to write?????????? ¡§Scattering ROSES¡¨
my friend we live in a world where YOU must be able to counter anyone, i think my style will prove to be an excellent learning point for juniors when they will get a job and find an even more AGGRESSIVE senior.
As regards my client relations are concerned, Allhumdulillah I have got very good relations with all of them and infact I have been commended by many for having a STRAIGHT APPROACH ¡K¡K¡K..
Your references to ICAP and SECP in your post made me believe you are in Pakistan
Your are upset because of my approach, and I am upset by yours¡K¡K... You believe I disrespect other members I believe you disrespect other members by getting personal...¡K
I m not going to apologise coz you will take it as SYMPATHY gainer¡K¡K¡K¡K.not to mention your words "Any way being one of the old members I initiate the peace and convey that do not consider it as mere retaliation."
Yes you are a peace lover¡K¡K..i can see that.
Come on yaar ƺ
Best Regards
azeem
