Proud to be a Pakistani !

ehson · 06-23-2005, 07:58 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Sorry for having kept you waiting for this reponse, but here is a response to some of your responses that I just don't see eye to eye<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Good to see you once again.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Ok I for one would take the word of your teacher, then I guess you need to thank the Government of Pakistan for giving you the liberty of speaking against the government ! and speaking your mind ! Do you know in Malaysia and Singapore it is against the law to critisize the Government, not even the press ! The Singaporian opposition has under 2% representation in the Parliament ! and each ballot paper has a tracking/serial number so the Govt. actually knows who you vote for !<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Govt. of Pakistan does not offer the 'liberty of speaking'. I've mentioned that the editor of S A Tribune was tourchered for writting about the curroption stories of the current regime.
And I seriously didnt know about the Singapore and Malay policies. I'd taken aback by this information. But still these countries have done better than ours in lesser time than us, havent they?

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Daaa,.. is that so, quality of education, I think you are just bitten by the Indian bug,, good for you. My friend I went to an Indian School for the first 8 years of my schooling,.. I did not find any thing that was extra ordinary with the Indian system or Indians in particular. Infact the 3 of the top 5 positions in my class used to be non Indian kids (including your's truly ) Just for information, as India opens up to the world, the British GCSE/O/A level system is pretty much in with some of the best Indian Public schools switching over to it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Again brother, I'm least concerned about the Indians, all that matters for me is how well my nation is doing and for some reason (probably becuase of the false stats published by the 'non indian' bodies) I can see that they are better of than us.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 So does that bother you, hearing all bad about India ? well, I as a Pakistani are more than bothered by a topic that says ashamed to be a pakistani and then going on to read all negative about the country <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Again I guess you'v got the wrong idea. I want to remove the weaknesses in my country. And (at least the KPI tell me) India is better of than Pakistan and the moment. Indian Govt. might have paid the whole world to rank them high, but they ranked higher than Pakistan. Now, I want to see my country better than thier's. If they are doing s'thing wrong, I'm least bothered. If they are doing s'thing better and Pakistan I certainly feel the pinch, because we in no manner have less resources than them, why than they should take the lead?

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Huh come on grow up,.. Indians enjoy a better status than Pakistanis ? where on Andaman Islands ! You need to cross the Arabian Sea and visit one of the Gulf countries to see for your self.. or more easier talk to any one who's lived there or even visited one of these countries. About the West ! that's a different story... there is a lot of bias in there and a lot of post 9/11 reaction, so lets not go into that... its worst for the Saudis !<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">A friend of mine was suppose to be hired for Dhr 7K. But since one of the person in the interview pannel was an Indian he gave a cheaper alternative to the same firm. I seriously do not know it that is becuase of the status they enjoy or becuase of the fact that they want to do s'thing for thier fellow indians, but what I know is that it hurts people of my nation and that is all that concerns me.
Two I've known many cases where a Pakistani supervisor had avoided to hire a Pakitani subordinate, they have thier reason. But I've not heared much about an Indian not hiring his fellow indian. And one of my Uncle used to tell say you go to a restaurant in dxb one day and you'd find that they have hired a new indian waiter you pay a visit to the same place after 2 months you'd realise that everyone from top to bottom working there is an indian. How come Pakistani's dont bring in thier fellow brothers to earn some livelyhood, but the indians do.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Good so we are talking about absolute thought and problem solving by not relating it to a inferior bench marks. Nice concept, that will help you out in life making you more creative and a problem solver. BUT stop question, how can you be ashamed of being a Pakistani when its just absolute ? did you just decide on it by NOT comparing to any one else,.. not even India (of which you are most impressed)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I dont dislike this country becuase we are inferior or becuase we are supperior from any other nation. You see as I've written many times earlier the point is we are not living like we should. Or atlease what I expect from my hometown. I want it to be like the days of Caliphate. Perhaps my expecations are too high, but that is what I want from my country and it is not impossible to achieve.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 All I asked of you was not to be ashamed to be a Pakistani, and feel proud to be one, simply because its like being proud of your family of your ancestory ! simple as that, nothing more, nothing less.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> ), you see its not that simple. As long as sisters in my country are raped, pepole are murdered, people kill themselves becuase of the fear of dying hungry and not being able to take care of thier family, untill the policeman stop selling themselves for as low as Rs 20, when the bearucrates stop filling thier pockets for not doing a greater good, untill the education becomes part of my every individual of this nation. I cant be proud, I'm sorry but if you are sitting on my side of the table you'd realise that you've been asked for too much.
I seriously do not understand why you people do not realise toward which direction we are moving. I know an animal who used to bring in a 14 year old to his flat have a good time with her and give her Rs 15. That 14 year old used to sell the fllowers on one of the signals in Lahore. But her desperation and hunger led her to sell her self for cheaper than flowers. My friend this is the nation you belong to. Had any of my family member being involved in the above case, I'd not have been proud of being a member of that family, infact it would have killed my inside, ever moment till I died.
And you take the case of being honored of being a member of a perticualr family as it is a must. Let me tell you my case, had my father brought a single penny of 'haram' money in the house and if he does that in future, I'd leave this family immidiatly and would not be proud of it. The only thing to bring me back would be returning the penny to whome it belongs to. That is what I want to do with my nation. If you on the other hand think that people who do all sorts of curroption have nothing to be ashamed off and if you think that thier younger generation should be pround of their ancestory then i'm sure they'd no longer consider robbing other as a matter of concern as they'd be proud of what they forefathers used to do. How shall we expect the change than?

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 This is a matter of concern, and no laughing matter ! but then if we all thought that way the very little sanity inour country would go to the Dogs. There are people at the helm of affairs who are to be balmed and not Pakistan.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">My friend without the people of this nation, Pakistan is just a peice of land. If you want me to be proud of this peice of land and not taking the people of this nation into consideration than I sure am proud of it. You see this land is one the most fertile region, offers me four sessions, has a lot of natural wealth and what not and what not.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 You need to understand and learn to distinguish between the State (of Pakistan) and the Government (who ever is running the country.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I think we need to understand that when we talk about Pakistan it mean the land itself and all the people who belong to this land. Otherwise, I dont see any point of getting into argument. I never said anything to the peice of land that is named as Pakistan, have I?

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 If we do that, we do half the job. It is not treachery to speak agaisnt a government but it sure is to speal against the state ! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">You've a quite an interesting viewpoint. People and Land are two different things? I seem to fail in understand that. I'm sorry.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Pick up and read the history of Black struggle in the US and the anti apartheid movement in South Africa... its always been speaking against the government.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Using Africans instead of 'black' would have been a better idea.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Read the auto biography of the man who spent more than two decades behind bars, Nelson Mandela.. and do tell me how many times he cursed South Africa ! Zero...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I've read the Auto Biography you are reffering me to. I guess you've missed out two very important points of his book
One Not at a single place has he writtne that he is pround to be a South African.
Two He was not satisfied with the way thing were being done in his country and he tried everything he could the change it. Had he said to himself 'I'm pround of what I'm' do you think things would have changed?

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pracs
 Proud to be a Pakistani !
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Matter of perception.