11-05-2004, 07:32 PM
JazakAllah brother mojsonline.
Azeem,I am not here to convert someone. Neither I am here to talk in private. I am here to beware my sunni brothers of shia. If I will do it in private with you or smraza or someone else then what is the purpose? As I said I am here to tell my sunni brothers the real face of shia.
Regarding Hazrat Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) he himself warned us about shias. Here is the link.
http://http//www.kr-hcy.com/Historicald/Fatawa/01.JPG
smraza, I have a gift for you regarding Quran and the finality of Prophet Muhammad(Peace and blessings be upon him).
<b><u>Shias belief regarding Quran</u></b>
<b>Proof 1</b>
The Supreme Islamic Council of Shi'tes in Lebanon issued the following Fatwa
Ref http://http//www.shiitecouncil.gov.lb/aq...0koran.htm
<font color=blue>Question</font id=blue>
Is the current (version of) Qur'an, which is in our hands, distorted?
<font color=blue>Answer</font id=blue>
The question is whether the (version of) Qur'an presently in our hands is the same (version) which was revealed to the Messenger [saw] without any additions or deletions.
There is no way to quote a textual evidence out of the narrations by the Messenger or the Imams or the Companions. However; it is right to say that they could have said that whatever they had in their era was the exact Qur'an which was revealed. It suffices in this respect that there are narrations exceed hundreds stem and encourage the recitation of this Qur'an, to hold on to it, act upon it, and refer each Hadith back to it. See Nahjul-Balaghah and al-Kafi (for this matter). The amount of narrations therein is more than one can count. <font color=red>But, to find in their speeches what may indicate that the Qur'an annot be altered or changed by anyone, then no. This has not been said neither by Allah, His Messenger, nor the Imams , His Messenger, nor the Imams [as] and (actually) no one can claim that.</font id=red>
<font color=blue>Comment</font id=blue>
What Quran do these guys read?
Allah has said in Quran that <font color=purple>Verily We It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption). [159]</font id=purple>
Maybe they got hold of the "original" Quran that doesn't have this ayat! hmm......
<b>Proof 2</b>
Before I write proof no. 2 I would like to tell everyone about Asul Al-kafi from which I will quote most of the reference as it the most IMPORTANT shia book.
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Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars said and declared . Its author is Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKulayni (A VERY reliable Shia Scholar, died in 328 H). Some Shi'ites scholars believe usool Al-Kafi was presented to the legendary Imam Qaem who liked it and said "It suffices our Shi'ites" (al-Tharee'ah ela Tasaneef al-Shi'a Agha Buzurg al-Tahraani; vol.17, p.245)
Al-Kafi is a collection of Hadiths attributed to the Prophet Muhamad(Peace and blessing be upon him) and The Infallible Imams -according to Shia- and like AhlSunnah, who give much importance to their Hadith book (Saheeh AlBukhari), Shia give the same or maybe even more importance to their Book (Al-Kafi). According to shias Al-Kafi is a blessed book.
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Azeem,I am not here to convert someone. Neither I am here to talk in private. I am here to beware my sunni brothers of shia. If I will do it in private with you or smraza or someone else then what is the purpose? As I said I am here to tell my sunni brothers the real face of shia.
Regarding Hazrat Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) he himself warned us about shias. Here is the link.
http://http//www.kr-hcy.com/Historicald/Fatawa/01.JPG
smraza, I have a gift for you regarding Quran and the finality of Prophet Muhammad(Peace and blessings be upon him).
<b><u>Shias belief regarding Quran</u></b>
<b>Proof 1</b>
The Supreme Islamic Council of Shi'tes in Lebanon issued the following Fatwa
Ref http://http//www.shiitecouncil.gov.lb/aq...0koran.htm
<font color=blue>Question</font id=blue>
Is the current (version of) Qur'an, which is in our hands, distorted?
<font color=blue>Answer</font id=blue>
The question is whether the (version of) Qur'an presently in our hands is the same (version) which was revealed to the Messenger [saw] without any additions or deletions.
There is no way to quote a textual evidence out of the narrations by the Messenger or the Imams or the Companions. However; it is right to say that they could have said that whatever they had in their era was the exact Qur'an which was revealed. It suffices in this respect that there are narrations exceed hundreds stem and encourage the recitation of this Qur'an, to hold on to it, act upon it, and refer each Hadith back to it. See Nahjul-Balaghah and al-Kafi (for this matter). The amount of narrations therein is more than one can count. <font color=red>But, to find in their speeches what may indicate that the Qur'an annot be altered or changed by anyone, then no. This has not been said neither by Allah, His Messenger, nor the Imams , His Messenger, nor the Imams [as] and (actually) no one can claim that.</font id=red>
<font color=blue>Comment</font id=blue>
What Quran do these guys read?
Allah has said in Quran that <font color=purple>Verily We It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption). [159]</font id=purple>
Maybe they got hold of the "original" Quran that doesn't have this ayat! hmm......
<b>Proof 2</b>
Before I write proof no. 2 I would like to tell everyone about Asul Al-kafi from which I will quote most of the reference as it the most IMPORTANT shia book.
<font color=blue>
Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars said and declared . Its author is Thiqat al-Islam Muhamad Ibn Yaqoob AlKulayni (A VERY reliable Shia Scholar, died in 328 H). Some Shi'ites scholars believe usool Al-Kafi was presented to the legendary Imam Qaem who liked it and said "It suffices our Shi'ites" (al-Tharee'ah ela Tasaneef al-Shi'a Agha Buzurg al-Tahraani; vol.17, p.245)
Al-Kafi is a collection of Hadiths attributed to the Prophet Muhamad(Peace and blessing be upon him) and The Infallible Imams -according to Shia- and like AhlSunnah, who give much importance to their Hadith book (Saheeh AlBukhari), Shia give the same or maybe even more importance to their Book (Al-Kafi). According to shias Al-Kafi is a blessed book.
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continued in next post.....