07-25-2008, 10:52 PM
Dear Amir,
Your www.google.com based info is good about secularism. )
Although the top leaders of the history were secular minded, still, the point of difference with illiterate guys like you is just that, what we have to implement? You guys show such sort of picture of Islam and stress to prove your own understanding which does not base on factual teachings of Islam. There is of course a compulsion for the followers of Islam to follow everything that has been stipulated there-in and I am not an exception to this rule. However, the definition of Islam your mindset wishes to spread out in the whole world is totally one sided and Islam strictly guides to adopt the mid-ways. You just don't understand this fact and I know you don't have a capacity to understand it.
Secularism, on the other hand, is a blessing in disguise for the muslims living in secular countries. You again cannot understand it because you have a destructive mind. Muslims are not up to the level to challenge the other nations because of two main things. One is their backwardness on every technical/financial/educational/economic fronts (at the moment) and the other is the rigidity spread out by the MULLAH category which affects the progress badly. You can see (although cannot digest) that every Pakistani wishes to leave it for USA, Canada, UK, Australia and other advanced countries. The main reasons (which also include monetary benefits) are the security threats and the endangered future of their kids due to the existence of minds like you. I will, sometime, post an e-mail received by me from a qualified specialist doctor (my friend) who left Pakistan for some advanced country. What does he feel about Pakistan and what the difference he has seen in that other country is sufficient to know how people living there feel about it. Secularism in fact means peace for those who live there. This is what Islam in fact teaches us. And this is what minds like you have ruined badly.
Secular countries, although they are enemies of Islam, still take care to a considerable extent for all those muslims who are their community. This is because they are secular for their own citizens. If they are harsh/bad for other nations this is again for the sake of their residents. The treatment which Pakistanis working in so-called religious countries like Pakistan or KSA get cannot even be dreamed for those who are residing in the so-called SECULAR countries. One should note the reason of the difference instead of rigidly commenting on the feelings of others who truthfully portray the facts.
Therefore, you must know that secularism is a blessing, at least in non-muslim countries. There are so many positive facets of secularism which we should also adopt. There is no harm in it. When Islam came so much positive, that was prevalent in Arab society, was as it is taken as a rule of Islamic society. This created the balance. In fact the balance supposed to be created by secularism (as you pointed out) is not dissimilar from the balance created by Islam in so many of its positive sides. I already told you that the good is for those who adopt it by giving it whatever name. All the advanced nations have adopted so much of Islam because they felt it good. Regrets for us who don't follow it and just talk and intend to spread destruction. Secularism is not a religion. Therefore, it cannot be criticized that way. It is human created ideology of social set-up and may be a mixture of good and bad.
You, in some earlier post, said that you want to kill each and every one of some religion followers and you did not agree that some one of them could be innocent. I also agree that those western nations are our enemy. This is not new. This was told to us by our Prophet PBUH. Still for example if they decide to kill each and every muslim, would it be a great act at their part? This has to be understood because we are not empowered at this stage. If they are cruel at some part of muslim world, we must not forget this is because we are illiterate, backward, incompetent, poor and dependent. And at the most such muslim world (like Saddam and Talibaan) by their own hands created the reasons for them to penetrate and such rigid muslims are continuing to maintain this opportunity for them by promoting the idea of rigidity further like your fellows are doing in Pakistan. This is aimed at nothing except to prolong the reasons for their ships to stay in the gulf sea on our heads.
You talked about muslim Caliph and Halakoo in another thread. You compared that era of muslims with the current situation. To that extent I agree with what you have said. However, as you also promote the idea of talibaanism in this era, while quoting the example of Baghdad's Caliph and Changez Khan or Halakoo, you should have not forgotten that even at that time there were men who really fought for their nation with their hearts and faith but what happened? Do you know? Yes you know what happened, even the fact was that, muslims were not so weak as are in this era. They fought and were killed entirely. 1.4 million human cranium was used to make towers by Changez and his followers. Now if we know, we are not up to such fight, we are backward and incompetent, we cannot win by fighting so-called BEY TAIGH, we have MEERS inside us, our economies cannot survive for one week in such fights, (you have seen what happened when BB was killed), our enemy is much resourceful and can create towers by using millions of our skulls then what would be the result of such fight? Would we be able to get success by few guns, rockets and atom BUMBBIES (I call them playing balls) that are also gifted by such other advanced nations indirectly? Will such fight not lead to a whole destruction? Do you think otherwise? I wonder if you think otherwise. And if you say that such shahaadat would be the best destination then mind it, it may not be shahaadat, it could be a suicide. Islam did not aim at to make us to do it this way.
I would again say that there is no solution to this problem except to get progressed by being faithful, honest, progressive, hard working, constructive (rather than destructive), diplomatic and by doing all this to get all the technical and economic empowerment that is required for the needful. Once we will achieve it, we would be able to do what is desired from us.
Otherwise, if you (and we at large) don't understand it and keep on doing the same things, there would not be any one survived to curse on our mindset in the times to come. Mind it, when we would be surviving, what would be doing for ALLAH and ALLAHâs Deen? Aur agar ALLAH ko sirf hamaari jaano kee qurbaani required hoti tu woh Eid-ul-Azha par animals kee qurbaani naa maangtaa. Hamarai garndanein kaati jaatein. Agar sab kuch tabah he kar denaa required hai tu duniyaa ka aur Islam kaa purpose hee kiyaa hai Naoozbillah? This is what you don't try to understand.
And I hope you cannot understand it.
Thank you for giving me various alleged names.
Readers, sorry for the lengthy post. And, yes I know this is just to smack the head against a stone.
Regards,
KAMRAN.
Your www.google.com based info is good about secularism. )
Although the top leaders of the history were secular minded, still, the point of difference with illiterate guys like you is just that, what we have to implement? You guys show such sort of picture of Islam and stress to prove your own understanding which does not base on factual teachings of Islam. There is of course a compulsion for the followers of Islam to follow everything that has been stipulated there-in and I am not an exception to this rule. However, the definition of Islam your mindset wishes to spread out in the whole world is totally one sided and Islam strictly guides to adopt the mid-ways. You just don't understand this fact and I know you don't have a capacity to understand it.
Secularism, on the other hand, is a blessing in disguise for the muslims living in secular countries. You again cannot understand it because you have a destructive mind. Muslims are not up to the level to challenge the other nations because of two main things. One is their backwardness on every technical/financial/educational/economic fronts (at the moment) and the other is the rigidity spread out by the MULLAH category which affects the progress badly. You can see (although cannot digest) that every Pakistani wishes to leave it for USA, Canada, UK, Australia and other advanced countries. The main reasons (which also include monetary benefits) are the security threats and the endangered future of their kids due to the existence of minds like you. I will, sometime, post an e-mail received by me from a qualified specialist doctor (my friend) who left Pakistan for some advanced country. What does he feel about Pakistan and what the difference he has seen in that other country is sufficient to know how people living there feel about it. Secularism in fact means peace for those who live there. This is what Islam in fact teaches us. And this is what minds like you have ruined badly.
Secular countries, although they are enemies of Islam, still take care to a considerable extent for all those muslims who are their community. This is because they are secular for their own citizens. If they are harsh/bad for other nations this is again for the sake of their residents. The treatment which Pakistanis working in so-called religious countries like Pakistan or KSA get cannot even be dreamed for those who are residing in the so-called SECULAR countries. One should note the reason of the difference instead of rigidly commenting on the feelings of others who truthfully portray the facts.
Therefore, you must know that secularism is a blessing, at least in non-muslim countries. There are so many positive facets of secularism which we should also adopt. There is no harm in it. When Islam came so much positive, that was prevalent in Arab society, was as it is taken as a rule of Islamic society. This created the balance. In fact the balance supposed to be created by secularism (as you pointed out) is not dissimilar from the balance created by Islam in so many of its positive sides. I already told you that the good is for those who adopt it by giving it whatever name. All the advanced nations have adopted so much of Islam because they felt it good. Regrets for us who don't follow it and just talk and intend to spread destruction. Secularism is not a religion. Therefore, it cannot be criticized that way. It is human created ideology of social set-up and may be a mixture of good and bad.
You, in some earlier post, said that you want to kill each and every one of some religion followers and you did not agree that some one of them could be innocent. I also agree that those western nations are our enemy. This is not new. This was told to us by our Prophet PBUH. Still for example if they decide to kill each and every muslim, would it be a great act at their part? This has to be understood because we are not empowered at this stage. If they are cruel at some part of muslim world, we must not forget this is because we are illiterate, backward, incompetent, poor and dependent. And at the most such muslim world (like Saddam and Talibaan) by their own hands created the reasons for them to penetrate and such rigid muslims are continuing to maintain this opportunity for them by promoting the idea of rigidity further like your fellows are doing in Pakistan. This is aimed at nothing except to prolong the reasons for their ships to stay in the gulf sea on our heads.
You talked about muslim Caliph and Halakoo in another thread. You compared that era of muslims with the current situation. To that extent I agree with what you have said. However, as you also promote the idea of talibaanism in this era, while quoting the example of Baghdad's Caliph and Changez Khan or Halakoo, you should have not forgotten that even at that time there were men who really fought for their nation with their hearts and faith but what happened? Do you know? Yes you know what happened, even the fact was that, muslims were not so weak as are in this era. They fought and were killed entirely. 1.4 million human cranium was used to make towers by Changez and his followers. Now if we know, we are not up to such fight, we are backward and incompetent, we cannot win by fighting so-called BEY TAIGH, we have MEERS inside us, our economies cannot survive for one week in such fights, (you have seen what happened when BB was killed), our enemy is much resourceful and can create towers by using millions of our skulls then what would be the result of such fight? Would we be able to get success by few guns, rockets and atom BUMBBIES (I call them playing balls) that are also gifted by such other advanced nations indirectly? Will such fight not lead to a whole destruction? Do you think otherwise? I wonder if you think otherwise. And if you say that such shahaadat would be the best destination then mind it, it may not be shahaadat, it could be a suicide. Islam did not aim at to make us to do it this way.
I would again say that there is no solution to this problem except to get progressed by being faithful, honest, progressive, hard working, constructive (rather than destructive), diplomatic and by doing all this to get all the technical and economic empowerment that is required for the needful. Once we will achieve it, we would be able to do what is desired from us.
Otherwise, if you (and we at large) don't understand it and keep on doing the same things, there would not be any one survived to curse on our mindset in the times to come. Mind it, when we would be surviving, what would be doing for ALLAH and ALLAHâs Deen? Aur agar ALLAH ko sirf hamaari jaano kee qurbaani required hoti tu woh Eid-ul-Azha par animals kee qurbaani naa maangtaa. Hamarai garndanein kaati jaatein. Agar sab kuch tabah he kar denaa required hai tu duniyaa ka aur Islam kaa purpose hee kiyaa hai Naoozbillah? This is what you don't try to understand.
And I hope you cannot understand it.
Thank you for giving me various alleged names.
Readers, sorry for the lengthy post. And, yes I know this is just to smack the head against a stone.
Regards,
KAMRAN.