08-07-2008, 05:30 PM
Dear,
I already said that when madness touches this level there remains no cure. So no wonders on the garbage uttered out by your so-called religious mouth. I will therefore reply you on issues of principles and would try not to hit your personality unless warranted.
Now, if your eyes twist on various issues, this does not mean that issue has been twisted. The problem of you mullah category is that you have saved your brains for some other world. You just don't try to utilize the minds on complex issues which have manifold facets and every facet has to be kept in view when some critical things are analyzed. May your so-called religious category be using the "tongue" which I don't want to title here in the post. You can understand âwhose tongueâ is typically quoted for giving examples about the âtongueâ you have conceived.
I give some replies hereunder
ISSUE OF HADEES
The Hadees about going to China for Knowledge is not found by me so far in 4 Sahi Books of Ahaadees and I still have to try the other three. There is of course a conflict on this Hadees and to study such a conflict I refer the readers to some URL
http//www.livingislam.org/n/skx_e.html
http//chinese-school.netfirms.com/Muslims.html
http//islaminchina.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/authenticity-of-seek-knowledge-even-as-far-as-china/
Although so manys believe it to be weak, still some noble and renowned AALIMS of HADEES like "Al-Mizzi" support it to be fair. There had been other strong Ahaadees on this issue which require muslims to seek knowledge from birth to death and which state that knowledge seeking is a must for muslims. I quote a Hadees narrated by Ibn Maajah from the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik, who said âThe Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said âSeeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim.ââ (220. Classed as sahi by al-Albaani in Sahi Sunan Ibn Maajah).
So, as far as the creation of this particular Hadees is concerned, probably your squint eyes cannot see that it has Naoozbillah not been created over-night. It has so many reporting chains. Many of the old scholars say that such chains are weak. I personally cannot say such words for the noble men who appear in those chains. However, to seek knowledge was the first message from God to his Prophet P.B.U.H in the Holy Quran.
Some scholars say that the opposition of this Hadees finds its roots in Salphi school of thought who wanted to keep the dominance of Arabs over others. However, God knows it better. I will check the other three Sahi Books and will come back to you, if I will find some reference.
I personally feel that this Hadees does not collide with the other Ahadees and teachings of Quran in general (the main evaluation criteria) therefore it does not carry major reasons to feel doubt about.
Still, the issue in not solely to go to China for knowledge. The main thing is the order to seek knowledge. As a matter of fact, if knowledge seeking is held obligatory on every muslim even then no Hadees says that don't go any where for seeking knowledge expect your place of birth or Saudi Arabia. My point still remains as valid as it is supposed to be. No Talibaan minded mad should fire out colleges and schools any where and no one should prohibit females from seeking knowledge. Nothing in teachings of Islam provides any basis for doing such ill-mannered things. You must be knowing that 135 plus schools/colleges have been fired out by Amir's category in Swat and nearby localities. This is their Islam and this is their belief. Still some one on this forum says that we should not fight such wild animals back. These people want to go back in the dark ages that were in existence before Islam.
FREEZING OF ASSETS OF CERTAIN TOPS OF LASHKAR-E-TAYYUBA
U.S. Treasury Department used Executive Order 13224 to freeze the American assets of four founders of the Pakistani terrorist group Lashkar-e-Tayyuba. I did not send you such proof because I felt this would even be visible to blinds because once something is on-aired in the media it cannot be hidden by poor efforts of Mullahs like you. I give you a URL to study the press release of "U.S. Department of Treasury".
http//www.treas.gov/press/releases/hp996.htm
If still a dumb mind does not digest this reality he can go to websites of any big news channel of Pakistan and try to find this news in search options. He will probably not face a failure. What I remember, probably it was also published by DAWN news. The Lashak-e-Tayyuba tops included in such order were
Hafiz Muhammad Saeed
Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi
Haji Muhammad Ashraf
Mahmoud Mohammad Ahmed Bahaziq
Do you innocent require further proof of such news? Mind it, the first question is not the truthfulness of such news or order. Rather, you were totally denying from the existence of such news/order. This shows how illiterate you are for your own purposes. I would request you not to deceive others by your âspecific tongueâ and donât debate on the existence of the facts.
ISSUE OF FOLLOWING WHAT OTHERS DO
You again keep on portraying your mindset. No body anywhere said that if there are different treatments or methodologies or interpretations then we should Naoozbillah leave following what Islam says. This is the peak of Hat-Dharmi and closed minded-ness. I told you that so much has historically been done with the good intents and in consonance of the basic guidelines of Quran and Hadees by so many noble rulers and more specifically by Khulfaa-e-Rashideen R.Z. So many aspects were developed after the Wisaal of Prophet PBUH. Tadween of the Holy Quran done by Hazrat Usman Raziallah Talaâla is one such example. Islam does not ask to close the eyes, shut down the lights of the brain and then follow what is told. This is a thing to be understood.
I told you that secularism has taken so much from Islam. I no where said Islam (original text) has taken anything from this very secularism. However, I believe that when Islam came in Arab, whatever positive was prevalent in that society (that was even worst than secularism as a whole) was taken and whatever negative was embedded in that culture was un-rooted. This had out rightly been the approach of every system improvement. This had been used at the out-set of Islam and a broad basis was given to muslims of all times to adopt whatever positive and wise thing they observe in others. âHIKMAT KEE BAAT MOMAN KE GUMSHUDA MEERAS HAIâ. So, not the everything, but the good things which we lack in our society, not because Islam does not guide about them, rather because we the people of various sects cannot get on one point, observed in others, should be adopted and followed. I have no doubt in it.
If we become so strict on this issue, with the behavior you people show to the other world, then we should not use medicines, surgery techniques, advanced scientific and other education, research, and innovations and at a minimum the consumables and other products invented or fund out by other nations just because these were not done in the era of Prophet PBUH. So, if these are not prohibited being the useful things, then the other positive aspects of a society should also not be prohibited, if we donât have consensus at our own home or we are unable to find the resolutions.
After this explanation, still there remains a problem for you to understand i.e. this requires utilization of open brain to get hold of, while you have saved it for some other world.
For saying Zia-ul-Haq as âShaheedâ and as âRehmatullah-e-Alliehâ accept my Mashallah. Aur yeh internal conspiracies buhat ziyaada hoti hain mullah kay kaam kay against. Hai naa? We have to think on it. )
DEFINITION OF MUSLIM AND PROCEEDINGS OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY IN 1974
You, as you have done in case of freezing of assets of certain person, just donât want to accept the truth even if you know it by heart. For quoting you what has been written by the writers and critics of that period and what newspapers of 1974 reported I will again have to consume so much of my time. I will try to quote some books where such things have been clearly quoted. However, you just go to some of your Aalims who were involved in whole of that process and ask him/them to tell you FAITHFULLY what actually happened. If there would be some faith, you will come to know what I have pointed out. If still you donât find the facts, I will spare some time for you Inshallah.
As far as Bhuttoâs credit is concerned, when you will find the truth about above story you will reach the conclusion. Kiyaa aaj bhi Qaazi Hussain Ahmed yaa Fazal-ur-Rehman iss qaabil hain keh kuch is tarah kee development karwaa lain? Yahi haal tab bhi thaa. We basically need some progressive educated leader to solve our problems and thatâs what we lack at the moment. Further, keep in mind that credit always goes to the person who eventually resolves the issue. Who went to jails, and who did not, will never remain in the memories of the history. After 1857 so manys made the efforts but how the history saves the name of Mr. Jinnah is totally different than the others. If you minus the factor of Bhutto, then you may be able to see that this decision might have not been taken so far irrespective of whatever these Ulemas and other mullahs might have been saying or doing. You should not forget that these all people were having such demands since 1953 but eventually the task was completed and success was brought only by Bhutto. You may find the reason of the poetry of Haali who said âQAIS SA NA UTHA PHIR KOI BANI AAMIR MAINââ¦â¦âFAKHAR HOTAA HAI GHARAANEY KAA SADA AIK HE SHAKHSâ. I may place on record that I am not belonged to PPPP politically.
GENERAL
You see I did not use following words for you in this post of mine
- psychopathic case
- Propagandists
- your inside devil
- extremely shameful
- KAZIBEEN
- shameless statements (with reference to making availability about news of freezing of assets)
- self-made
- anti-Pakistan or anti-Islam lobbies (pata nahi yeh saari lobbies apni saari baatein Amir ko kyun bata jata hein? Hai na ajeeb baat)
- you shameless dumb
- nuisance uttered (I used the word garbage instead)
- haughty secularist
- stubborn and impudent
- (finally) Fie upon you!
At the end I am thankful for reading this lengthy but necessary post.
Should now we expect some clarification regarding Hafiz Saeed and his fellows?
Regards,
KAMRAN.