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Hi amam

Hehehe.... so we finally won a test against SA.... YAAAY!! Btw... Shaoib was surprisingly consisten in the match. Kaneria was a revelation. Lets hope they perform the same without Shoaib, Sami and Youhana in the 2nd test.

DAMN... maybe it was in the Saffies fate to lose this match. lol

O bhai lighten up a little bit, try to have a little sense of humor and please... and i mean it... DO NOT sermonise me. DAMN... where is this world going??! <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dear unknown

There are many readers of this forum who can vouch for me that i have never written anything against islam. However, i have written quite a lot of stuff against religious bigots like you who love to wear the medal of 'Protector of Islam' on their chests. If u think that you are furthering the cause islam by making these bulls**t allegations, then i am sorry you are not. Just shows how myopic your views are about your religion.

Dear sir, it is ppl like you who are the main cause of hatred and violence in our society. Its ppl like you who are ruining this faith from inside and tarnishing the image of islam by hurling baseless fatwas and declaring anyone who doesnt share your views a non-muslim/kafir/murtid/wajib-ul-qatal without any investigation or deeper study.

Islam does not need any protectors or the so-called moral policemen like you. It has and will continue to thrive with or without you. So please stop writing these hypocritical, bigoted messages in public forums.

Bhai sahib, if u dont like what i write then dont read it. If you have some point to counter my arguement, then say it with logic, but do not ... and i repeat DO NOT hurl wild allegations about me or my faith.

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Arrrgh... it sure's gonna be mighty rough sailin' today ... mates!

aa haa, guy'sbrush & his CHAMCHAI saying that he is not writing against Islam. Guysbrush & CHAMCHAIS, i have solid proof that he wrote against Islam. I only take one of his sentences from his reply 'Damn our FATE'. If he say damn fate then my question would be who made your fate??????. Why damn our fate, damn our cricket team and damn those who still like cricket. If you donât work hard and loose something then DAMN YOU NOT FATE!!!. Our team loose the match due to their mistakes and lack of practice (and now donât ask me how I knew about the lack of training). When our Damn Cricket team goes to play on abroad, they spend most of time in night clubs instead of doing practice. They donât work hard to win the match. All Pakistani know what has happened last two world cups.......

As for as MR Raza's concern about TUKKA, will you please explain me difference between TUKKA and fate. I think there is no much difference between TUKKA and fate (if your are lucky then Tukka become TEER). Assume you are in Tariq Aziz show and he asks you a question, what is the name of XXX's wife. He gives you three option 1) x 2) xx 3) xxxx. Actually you donât know the answer and use TUKKA and replied xxxx. And you find your answer is right and you win Rs 50,000. Are you not lucky here (good fate).

Now something about cricket. I hate cricket, i hate cricket too much, i hate cricket so so so much. I extremely hate cricket<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

Regards

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due to the above reply forum awared me one star heheheheeee

Beta, u seriously seem to have a loose screw or two in your head!

How come talking about fate makes me talk against islam?

And btw, are u so thickheaded to differentiate between sarcasm and serious talk?

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CHACHAA G, either you canât understand what I am saying or you donât want to give up yourself. God made our fate therefore we should not say............but its also true if someone work hard he gets its (good) result.

Anyway guybrush donât think I am criticising you. I really like your posts and I rank you THE BEST<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>. As for as fate is concern, my dear we all Muslim believe on Taqdeer arenât we??????. If we believe on TAQDEER then we should not damn it.

Do you know about EMAANEYAAT, if you donât then I let you know? EMAANEYAAT meaning is 1) believe on ALLAH 2) believe on Rasools 3) believe on angels 4) believe on TAQDEER 5) believe on his KEETABS.

Regards
Sheeda Mowchey<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - unknown on Oct 26 2003 91648 PM

I m seriously agreed with guybrush, that how come talking about the fate (or saying damn fate) means writing against Islam, as u said, god created our fate, and in your second sentence you said Damn our cricket team, my dear unknown, will u tell me who created the players of that teams, like u said god created our fate, so in that sense you are also talking against islam, and we cannot say "Damn ______ (anything) as everything is created is created by god.
I am honestly advising you to get urself checked from a Psychiatrist,
and dear i would like to tell you i dont beleive on fate, as God has created us and given us "brain" which distinguishes the humans from animals, and god has given liberty to every human for doing everthing, and he has shown two ways, one way is Good and another is bad,
but but but,
He has not bound ourselves by writing our fate, If i say that he has written our fate, it means we are bound to do according to our fate,
and that fate written by God, So, If i do something wrong, then how can i be held responsible for that wrong doing????
as I did according to my fate, as God has written my every doing in my fate so what ever i have done and whatever i will do, will be according to my fate, I cannot be held responsible for things done by me,
(likewise i m not responsible for my this post as it was in my fate to write this)
Regards

S M R

Dear Mr Raza

I donât wana write anymore on this topic (it doesnât mean that I agree with you).
BUT
1) Will you please explain me what is the meaning of fate Mr. MOLVEE SAHIB (as sajjad said)

2) What about EMANEYAAT then, where we accept the TAQDEER

3) Whatever you have explained in your recent post that doest come in FATE category

4) To support you view on fate, I already have written that if someone work hard he gets its (good) result (please open your eyes if you donât mind). But that doesnât come in fate category as well.

5) Damn fate and Damn cricket team is different words. If you say we canât damn cricket team because god created them. Then please let me know can we damn IBLEES/SHAITAAN because God also created him as well.

6) YES agree that God has created us and given us "brain" which distinguishes the humans from animals, and god has given liberty to every human for doing everthing, and he has shown two ways, one way is Good and another is bad, but that it doesnât mean that we should not believe on TAQDEER.

Finally, I believe on Taqdeer because its is a part of EMANYAAT where we say

AA MANTOO BILLA HE WA MALAIKATE HE WA ROSOLAI HE WA KOTOBAI HE WULYOUMIL AAKHRI WA QUDDRI KHAIRE (taqdeer) etc.

Regard S M

Intersting topic this about fate...

Fate is what we make it to be. Totally agreed with SMR that if it was written in our fate to be a CA then we would pass it without any preparation whatsoever. Similarly, if our fate was to be a thief or a murderer or to go in hell, we would be unable to change it.

God has given us free will and an understanding of right and wrong. Now its up to us to choose our paths and make our own fate.

Achha waisey, there is this concept of 'Loh-e-mehfooz' (is it the right word??), the book in which every person's fate has been preset and written. Can anybody put some more light on this? Does it not counter the concept of free will and man being 'ashraf-ul-makhlooqat'?

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Aslaam O Alikam all forum member

First of all I would like to say that we should not write anything on Islamic Topic. Because we donât have enough knowledge about Islam therefore we should avoid writing on ISLAM. As for as fate is concern, both (MR Raza and Mr Sheda) are right. If someone dye that is his fate but if you donât work hard and loose something that is not your fate. All Muslims believe on Taqdeer but most of them donât know about Taqdeer. If someone donât work hard and loose something that is not Taqdeer. Here question is what Taqdeer is. Death is Taqdeer, when someone dye people do announcement in mosque that 'Taqdeer e Elahee Sai Fowt hoo Gaya hai'.

Sajjad Dar

Edited by - sajjad_dar2000 on Oct 27 2003 62819 PM

Edited by - sajjad_dar2000 on Oct 27 2003 62943 PM

ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa

smraza says i agree with guybrush and guybrush says i agree with smraza<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. they are agreeing with each other, what kind of TOPEE DARAMA YOU ARE PLAYING HERE MISTERS (DAIG AND CHAMCHAI)

OK mr CHAMCHAI (Raza) and MR DAIG (Guybrush) i am not dishearted because, CHAMCHA TO DAIG HEE KA SAITH DAI GAA NAA. Mr guybrush is a DAIG and mr Raza is his CHAMCHA. Mr DAIG and CHAMCHAI i am honestly very honestly very very honestly advising you to get urself checked from a Psychiatrist (if you need address then dont hesitate to contact me i shall feel happy to help you out).

Note- dont panic heheheee

Special Regards

Sheeda Mowchey

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Mr. Unknown why are u so jealous if somebody agrees with me,
well u asked me to tell what does this word "fate" mean, my dear I m now advising you to get ur eyesight checked, We call it "Tukka" not the fate, my dear little kid, if u dont know the meaning of fate then why do u keep on debating on fate???
suppose I m a non muslim, and if i ask u the meaning the meaning of fate, and if u are going to explain in the way u did before, i ll be laughing at u.
now tell me one thing, like sajjad said, "Taqdeer e elahi say faut ho gaye",
I m going to ask u, who gives death to man ??? u will obviousely say God, and now tell me if somebody kills a person, then why he is held responsible for that murder, why he is hanged till death ????????
Fate doesnt mean that god has written our fate on a piece of paper and we are bound to act according to the matter written in that. Is it a puppet show ?? doesnt it seem a puppet show????
In my opinion, if somebody says that god has bound us by writing our fate, I call this thinking against Islam, as its agaisnt the Adal of Allah Talah,
Allah Talah is adil, and being a muslim i beleive he will not ask me for what i have done without my will (as doing according to fate is aginst my will)
My dear unknown, you know some enemies of Islam did a change in a sentence due to which most of the muslim gone astray,that is
"Jo kush bhi hota hai woh Allah kay Hukum say hota hai"
but the original sentence was
"Jo kush bhi hota hai woh Allah kay Ilm say hota hai"
so i think my this post will clear your mind about the fate,
as far as "Loh o Qalam" is concerned, I'd like to clear you that what ever you do in your life written by the angels on that LOH,
and in Qayamat you will be gone to hell or heaaven on the basis of that.
I was too much confused about the fate, bcaz most of chirtian and Jew friends used to ask me about Islam, but when I met Dr. Ghulam Malik Murtaza (may allah rest his soul in great peace), I got a new concept about the fate,

The question which i asked you about the murder, i'd like to answer that question myself, (as i think you will not be able to answer that <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>) the murderer is punished bcaz he interfered in the act of God,
as Giving life and death is the responsibility of God, and if anybody interferes, he liable for punishment.
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obviously unknown i ll contact you for that, bcaz u know you spent your whole life with psychiatrists, and you have many psychi friends <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

S M R

One think more Mr. Sheeda Mowchey,
thanx that u like our Topee Drama, If u want to know the gur of Drama then we are very sorry for that, we are not going to tell you, but u want that Topee, you are most welcome we can give u, <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>, u were thinking we will get panic from your posts, <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> in your dreams mr. sheeda mowchee, humara rule hai "Tension lenay ka nahi sirf Tension denay ka" <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

S M R

Edited by - smraza on Oct 28 2003 123216 AM

Hey Mr KHUSHIK DEMAG (raza) FATE is a fate and whatever you have explained that doesnât come on fate's category my dear. Everyone know God is AADIL and he has shown two ways, one way is Good and another is bad, but my dear that is not FATE.
I agree with Mr. sajjad that death is fate, you have to accept that God gives the death. If i born in my family (rich/poor) that was not my will (or in your words TUKKA). God have given me birth in my family and this is a Fate. Some people take birth in rich family (WO moonh MAI SOONAI KE CHUMICH LAI KAR PAIDA HOWTAI HAIN) and some take birth in poor family, this ia a fate as well. Some people take birth in Muslims family some take birth in no-Muslims family that is a fate as well. There are so many examples about fate. Dear Raza sahib is above examples are fate or TUKKA. I am not saying if somebody doing wrong thing and that is his fate. Fate doesnât mean that God has written our fate on a piece of paper and we are bound to act according to the matter written in that. Is it a puppet show ?? doesnt it seem a puppet show????
In my opinion, if somebody says that god has bound us by writing our fate, I call this thinking against Islam, as its agaisnt the Adal of Allah Talah (agreed) but who told you that is a fate??????. I never wrote that whatever we are acting here in DUNEYAA is a TAQDEER, did I????, if yes then let me know where I have written that.

Mr Raza sahib you cant present a single sentence where I wrote against fate, LAIKAN AAP NAI TOW AIK HEE RUTTA LAGAYA HOWA HAI KA TAQDEER AIK TUKKA HAI, so funny mr raza that fate is a TUKKA, is your birth is a TUKKA or fate or you did MEHNAAT on your birth?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????. Mr Raza Sahib now you should accept the Fate.

Mr raza sahib AAP APNEE DEMAAGH KEE SAHAIT KA BEV HAYAL RUKHA KARAIN mean BADAAM WAGAIRA KHAYA KARAIN<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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obviously unknown i ll contact you for that, bcaz u know you spent your whole life with psychiatrists, and you have many psychi friends
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. Here you are again wrong Mr. SMR. I am myself a psychiatrists and have many psychic clients like you <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. You are my good friend so I would not charge you my fees but you have to pay for medicine only. You will be a great psyche in my clinic, I shall feel proud myself to treating you as a WORLD'S NO 1 psyche here in Pakistan <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

AOWR PIRSHAAN NAHAIN HONA AAP INSHA,ALLAH THAIK HOW JAHAIN GAI

Regards

Sheeda Mowchey

Ha ha ha ha <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> sheeda mowchee sahib,
you will remain the kid,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> God have given me birth in my family and this is a Fate. Some people take birth in rich family (WO moonh MAI SOONAI KE CHUMICH LAI KAR PAIDA HOWTAI HAIN) and some take birth in poor family, this ia a fate as well. Some people take birth in Muslims family some take birth in no-Muslims family that is a fate as well. There are so many examples about fate.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I can give u those examples, the sun rises in the east, this is fate, tomorrow was raining, that was fate, sky is blue this is fate, the earth revolves, this fate, <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
some things are in the control of Allah, and he has given some controls in the hand of man, like giving birth to a child is not possible for a woman without man(man control), but whether it would be a girl or boy (its Allah's control), however in some countries you can have a baby as per ur choice, i agree with you on some of your points,
but i hate when somebodys says, "sorry yar you could not clear the paper as it was in your naseeb" I hate these words "naseeb", Taqdeer etc. i always reply ooo bhai I didnt study thats whay i failed.
like in our hospitals, when somebody dies, people says "allah kee taraf say aayee thee" but if he survives, people says, wah jee wah kia baat hai doctor sahib kee, in kay haath main to shifa hai <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>,
sometimes you will listen from many people "Allah Jhoot na bulwaye",
I m asking those people kia allah jhoot bhi bulwata hai ????
i didnt mean Mr. Unknown that you said each and every thing which i explained about the fate, but its true that this is the general thinking of our muslim people about the fate, they say that everything is done with the Hukum of allah,
i totally disagree with this statements,
if somebody agrees, then it means no body is responsible for his doings in the world. am i right ???????

S M R

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