Riba free career?!

noman · 04-15-2005, 01:22 AM

yaar aap logo ne phir wohi baat shuroo kar di.
in last three post only
this
" refuse to act as a finance manager, as an auditor ? (on a collective front)"
is relevant to the topic of the thread.
so lion king........we know interest is haram and that is final........we know interest is widely spread today.........now the question is
what to do.............?

noman · 04-15-2005, 05:19 PM

ok good advice.
bye the way what do u do? i mean job or student?

Pracs · 04-15-2005, 08:31 PM

Lion King

The Ijtehad is not then on flying on a plane,. it is my dear of where to face when praying, I thought that was simple enough.

Coming to the more complex issue, Yes I maintain that we need IJTEHAD on the defination of Interest in today's world, and believe me there has been some work on this. Maulana Taqi Usmani for one. If you cannot understand or come to terms with this fact, despite being related to commerce/finance I am sorry to say there is no point on discussing this any more. I think this should make more sense to you than say compared to a lay man. I can throw some light on this , if, if you actually want to read it.

Just answer one question, what do you propose to do ? no interest ? If you can answer this and come to terms with the fact that we need to establish some ground rules here. Have you for a second given thought to Dr. M's model of the Islamic Dinar, I am sure you haven't !

The Quran says pay zakat and perform your prayers.. but does it say what percentage ? or how many ? that comes from Hadith and interpetations. Am I making any sense here ??

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311

Azeem Shah Khan · 04-17-2005, 12:07 AM

AOA

Could anyone quote any QURANIC VERSE - i repeat A QURANIC VERSE that prohibits a person documenting or recording interest.

Please donot quote any hadith.

To Lion_King I am happy for the guy who made millions, May Allah bless him with more. We would be interested to know your INTEREST FREE economic system (if it is possible without the implementation of Shariah).

May I also request you to avoid personal remarks on any member and show some kind of respect to other views. If you haven't read the INTEREST thread then please do so coz enough has already been said there.

To Noman Regarding your query, I will come up with some suggestions later.

Best regards

"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."

noman · 04-17-2005, 08:32 AM

lion king what do u do?

Pracs · 04-17-2005, 09:29 AM

Lion King you haven't answered my question ! What do you think is to be done,. Go ahead with an interest free economy ? how ? by doing what ? I think I have not made my point clear.

I wish you would put more time in reading the posts first, I did not call you a lay man, I said just the opposite, that compared to a lay man you must understand better. This is what I say

I think this should make more sense to you than say compared to a lay man.

Thank you for calling me a lay man in Islam. I have to admit I need to know a lot to more about Islam for sure and am in no way an expert in Quran or Hadith. I am just an accountant and did a research paper on ''Islamic modes of finacne'' as my Master's Thesis.

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311

Pracs · 04-17-2005, 09:40 AM

Lion King none of these Quranic Verses condenms the ''writer / scriber of interest'' I think what you have been refering to is an explanation perhaps !

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311

Pracs · 04-19-2005, 07:09 AM

Please turn of your Caps when you are discussing any thing, any thing in Bold means you are kind of shouting at us, I hope that is what you are not doing !

Am I being Childish or Childesh ? really half way through I lost your train of thoughts and I am really short on resorses myslef

I pray five times a day and I think I will just end any response to your posts here because you are not being constructive about the issue at all, you keep on saying the same thing in a rather crude way. You do not read my posts or either you do not understand what I am writing. Most of all you quote Quranic Verses and claim they prohibit about interest scribers where as these Verses are about interest, infact ''usuary''. Please do not misquote Quran.

I have never said Interest was not Haram or any thing contrary to the Quran, if you read the interest thread or this thread in itself I have all along said that there is NO WAY AN ACCOUNTANT CAN NOT INDULGE INTO INTEREST LACED TRANSACTIONS/PROCESSES.

I am afraid you do not understand and rather do not want to understand my point of view so lets rest it here.

I will not respond to any of your posts on the topic of interest. I will however, continue to interact with other members' post in this thread on interest as I think there are quite a many halal was to finance, that may not fall into the perview of Interest.

"Allah does not change the state of people unless they change what is within themselves" Quran 1311

Azeem Shah Khan · 04-19-2005, 09:10 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lion_king
 WELL PRACS HOW MANNY TIMES U PRAY IN A DAY AND HOW MANNY RAKKAS ....ITS A FARZ BUT CAN U PLEASE TELL ME WHERE IN THE QURAN IT IS WRITTEN THAT U HAVE TO PRAY SO AND SO RAKATS IN THE MORNING PRAYERS AND SO AND SO IN THE EVENING ONE..................DONT BE CHILDESH.....THINK OF IF INTEREST IS HARAM.....THEN HOW THE HELL CAN U JUSTIFY THAT ITS DOCUMENTATION IS RIGHT AND ONE THING MORE ACCOUNTANTS R NOT ONLY INVOLVED IN ITS DOCUMENTATION(BOOK KEEPING) BUT ALSO TO CHECK(AUDIT), CLEARIFICATION(WHEN AN ACCOUNTANT AUTHORISES A CHECK)........TRADE WITH INTEREST(IN THE MANAGEMENT DECISIONS....) SO WHAT WILL U CALL ALL THIS........INTEREST IS HARAM AND BY NO MEANS U CAN JUSTIFY UR POINT
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My dear friend either you are incredibly smart or incredibly over smart. On one hand you believe in the EXACT words of Quran and on the other hand you acknowledge the need of Sunnah (practical demonstration). I think thats precisely what PRACS wanted to tell you that unlike most of the verses this is an area where we need to understand the TRUE meaning instead of following on the face of it, as it may mean something "slightly" different from what is usually perceived.

May i also make it very clear to you (in advance) that i believe in Quran (Alhamdulillah) and I try to understand the rationale.

I am afraid the way you propogate Islam is not very convincing. Always try to support your arguments with logic specially when you are posting on a forum where you have lots of non-muslim members.

I am answerable for my own deeds and you are answerable for yours but please be careful when you quote Quran in your conversation as incorrect quotation can mislead many.

Can i conclude that you couldn't manage to find any verse which condemns the "scriber of interest". No problem, i couldnt find any either. Could you (being NOT a layman like me) post some Hadiths which clearly condem the "scriber of interest". It would be of great assistance if you could also provide the references and whether those Hadiths were "Sahi/Mashhoor".

Best regards

"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you're going to live. Now."