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Is ICMAP bigger than CIMA?

 
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Is ICMAP bigger than CIMA?
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10-21-2009, 04:37 PM
Awais

People can misjudge and misinterpret others' statements but it should be a rare act. As far as the issue of powerful officials at SECP is concerned you have number of times mentioned the name of Mr. Shaheen (who is, in my humble view) not an example at all (we should not go in details on public forum; I tend to avoid it since he is quite a senior man). The words that you used to convey to your friends (even as a joke) depict the desperation to which you may or may not agree. Further, these words have been used by a large number of students of ICMAP. I know we are not a judge to any body else. Still, if you feel this was merely a joke and you have no desperation (to which I don't agree), I convey you my conditional apologies. If you don't accept it as conditional it is up to you.

The participation in any thread to whatever and whichever it relates has nothing to do with you, with a specific designation, with a specific institute and so forth and so on. I wish you to go through the forum rules for knowing what appears to be unknown to you.

My first post was addressed to ad2478 which you can once again read (if you like doing so) and is in my view quite balanced and to the point entailing no one's superiority or humiliation at all. The responses which came from "CHHOTAY GADHEY" and even from some of nice fellows like you gave this discussion a new direction. Although I never responded to earlier category and have always posted my messages in response to your posts or some others, STILL when misconception will be created, as a forum member, I have a right to reply it. It has nothing to do with any biases or prejudice. I need not to be biased and any reply given in response of a situation created does not mean it is prejudice. Rather, it is simply to balance the discussion. You have a fullest right to do so as well.

I clarified you that "CIMA is better than ICMAP" is my "personal view" which could be materially wrong or mis-directed since the facts can be materially different than what we percieve. I wonder why you take the personal views as a decision of referee. Is there any eye sight problem? Let me know if you have any question on this statement and I will clarify it. I already said if some one needs to discuss it, a separate thread can be used although it would add no value, in my view.

I never said that ICMAP compuslorily do not have a right to audit (upto 3 million Rs. paid up capital). Rather, I simply asked for a reference from company law which you continuously missed to post in all your so-called "one week"'s attempts. So if you don't find it simple what can others do? I know you are not bound to reply it or whatever. But in such a case it is good if you tell me that you cannot reply it. Even if you don't do this, it makes no difference since the question is open and if it has an answer it will be surfaced soon. We cannot ask any body to compulsorily respond to any question. No body has a duty or obligation here.

I did not say "Astute" has blood relation with me. I said this is a sort of blood relation. Can you attempt to find the difference? You don't have an obligation to do so and you are quite independent in having your own viewpoint.

17 / 18 pay scale jobs do not specifically refer SECP. I know SECP pays good remuneration. You may go through your directory of members if feel like knowing what I said. This, I am writing, because you said you are not getting to my point. Don't find a new bias or humiliation in this statement please.

We both have already agreed that it’s not a court room so you may or may not post any reference of CIMAs having ICMAP membership. There is no point in recalling it again. I again mention that no body has any obligation to post any reply. This is the forum rule. Why do you always feel that some thing has compulsorily asked from you and you are judged to be bound to do the needful? There is nothing like that; be clarified. Nothing else I can say. By the way a number of CIMAs are known to me and none of them is ICMAP's member. I never said I have any perfection in knowledge as well.

We all Pakistanis feel grief and pain on all terrorist activities which are ruining the peace and beauty of this country. I am man who used to travel a lot to capture the beauty of northern areas, deserts, rivers, lakes, mountains and jungles and to know/study the customs and tradition of our people at various locations. The terror and resulting operations are making this Pak soil a place of pressure and anxiety. Are all of your relatives safe? May God keep every one safe and sound at the time of this anarchy.

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10-21-2009, 06:05 PM
I have read directory of members many time. The directory of 2007 reveals that there are 3000 members of the institute and around 90 members are practicing CMA's. While around 500 (16%) members surving abroad. Some members of ICMA are also working as partners in CA firms. If only some dozen members are working in Govt. Department then it is no problem. Several person give preference to Govt jobs. You will find only few dozens Ph.D's in Private sector because mostly Ph.D's work in Govt Sector. Some time ago government jobs were prefered by CMA's but now the situation has changed. The preference to Govt job by CMA's was the main reason that provided an unchallanged and competition free environment to CA's in corpotate sector. Keep it in mind that ICMAP was established in 1951 many years ago before ICAP. But our members have surving country regardless of remuneration. It shows prosperity of our members and their loving nature toward the nation. It was the situation till early nineties.

Now the situation has changed a new generation of CMA's has come in corporate market who are young profesional,dedicated and equiped with advanced studies of cost accounting,mangement accounting,financial accounting and audit.

Kamran same thing is said about you that anything which is written about ICAP you assuem yourself to reply must.

By the grace of Allah all my relatives and friends are save.
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10-21-2009, 08:00 PM
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wah wat a professional language being used!! thnx Allah only CA're requred to do articles!!

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10-22-2009, 02:33 AM
Awais,

No one is bound to participate in any discussion and no one can be refrained from it. I guess you cannot understand the difference. Leave attempting it.

No body never worked for nation; in fact nation do not pay for useless products. I don't mention any one.

Hina,

Professionalism is quite evident and the frustration is because regardless of so many jobs published in newspapers (for the reasons which they don't understand) they don't find a head into it. I however don't discuss GADHEY KAY BACHAYs.

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10-22-2009, 07:42 AM
Salam,

Well i dont care if this is relevent here but i must share this with u people that cousin of my cousin lost her life in recent islamabad's blast!!

This is very sad & shocking for me,i knew her & hence the pain was even more severe & hard to bear.

I wonder how one can live a happy life in pak as so many people die around u on regular basis.I & many others like me would therefore try to do everything possible not to come to pak due to this general fear of so called terrorist!!

[V] [B)] [(!]
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10-22-2009, 01:42 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kamranACA</i>
<br />Awais,

No one is bound to participate in any discussion and no one can be refrained from it. I guess you cannot understand the difference. Leave attempting it.

No body never worked for nation; in fact nation do not pay for useless products. I don't mention any one.

Hina,

Professionalism is quite evident and the frustration is because regardless of so many jobs published in newspapers (for the reasons which they don't understand) they don't find a head into it. I however don't discuss GADHEY KAY BACHAYs.

Regards,
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true!! frustration needs sm ways out , let for thm this forum be )
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10-22-2009, 01:54 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Osama Rules</i>
<br />Salam,

Well i dont care if this is relevent here but i must share this with u people that cousin of my cousin lost her life in recent islamabad's blast!!

This is very sad & shocking for me,i knew her & hence the pain was even more severe & hard to bear.

I wonder how one can live a happy life in pak as so many people die around u on regular basis.I & many others like me would therefore try to do everything possible not to come to pak due to this general fear of so called terrorist!!

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I show my grief over the death of your cousine. May Allah shower his blessings on the departure soul. Many of my cousines and friends also read in Islamic International University. One of my relative works in the university as professor at Sharia Faculty but by the grace of Allah they are all safe. But one boy who lived in my sector died in this sorrowfull incident.

This incident was also too disturbing for me because one of my own family member is the student of the university.

May Allah bless His countless blessings on our nation

Regards,

Awais Aftab
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10-22-2009, 02:08 PM
I also Console Osama on the Death of their Relative in Recent Bombing in Islamic University.

May Allah Help us in getting rid of Terrorism Curse from our Country.
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10-22-2009, 03:25 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kamranACA</i>
<br />Awais,

No one is bound to participate in any discussion and no one can be refrained from it. I guess you cannot understand the difference. Leave attempting it.

No body never worked for nation; in fact nation do not pay for useless products. I don't mention any one.

Hina,

Professionalism is quite evident and the frustration is because regardless of so many jobs published in newspapers (for the reasons which they don't understand) they don't find a head into it. I however don't discuss GADHEY KAY BACHAYs.

Regards,
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I am agree that no one is bound to participate in any discussion and no one can be refrained from it. But in my point of view this is the ethical responsibility of a person that judge whic discussion is relevant to him and which is irrelevant for him. Some months ago when I was new member of the forum you were busy in verbal battle with me on the same type of topic. In those days you were also busy on the thread “ACCA VS CA" but I never participated on that thread. I think you must remember. I several time thinked to post my views on this thread but my inner always prevented from doing so. I felt it unethical or atleast not prominent to participate on the thread even when I am neither a CA nor an ACCA. It depends upon rules and ethical standards that a person designs for him.

What a wonderful remarks these remarks should be written in golden ink

<font color="orange">"No body never worked for nation; in fact nation do not pay for useless products. I don't mention any one." </font id="orange">


Yes Mian Mumtaz Abdullah,FCMA Ex-Chairman of SECP (Then Corporate Law Authority) was useless product

Nazir Ahmed Shaheen, FCMA Registrar of Companies is a useless product for nation (About which you have said "he is a nice person")

The CMA's, who have worked in the statutory and CONSTITUTIONAL Offices of Islamic Republican of Pakistan as Auditor General of Pakistan and Accountant General of Pakistan, were useless for nation.

Alas, Alas , Alas it is said by a qualified CA.

Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) said

<font color="green"><i>Tumhay kisi Qaum ki Dushmani Andha na kerde (Mafhoom or theme of Hadees)</i></font id="green">

Anothe Golden Sentence

<i><font color="orange">I however don't discuss GADHEY KAY BACHAYs.</font id="orange"></i>

Again what a wonderful remarks

Ek dafa Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne farmaya bara bad naseed ha wo shas jo apne Man Bap ko Gali de Sahaba (RA) ne arz kia Huzoor koyee apne Man Bap ko bhee gali de skta ha. Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) ne irshad farmaya jo shaks kisi dosre k walden ko gali de wo plat ker usi k walden pe ati ha.(Mafhoom of Hadees)


Mr. Kamran you too disappointed me. Say about us (CMA's) what you want to say even if you feel much anger then hum ko gali bhe de do but Please, Please never say anything about our parents.

It is said in rural punjab "Betian Sabky Sanjhy hoty hain." One of my old age relative says k sab k man bap ki izat bhee sanjhy hoty ha.

You often said that I always participate in all discussion about ICMAP. Remember I am son of soil of POTOHAR, the MARTIAL Area; we fight till the last drop of blood and till last bullet. We never surrender in any battle either of verbal or weapons. It is strong tradition of Potohar. Our nerves are as strong as the soil and rocks of Potohar are strong.


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10-22-2009, 03:58 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Osama Rules</i>
<br />Salam,

Well i dont care if this is relevent here but i must share this with u people that cousin of my cousin lost her life in recent islamabad's blast!!

This is very sad & shocking for me,i knew her & hence the pain was even more severe & hard to bear.

I wonder how one can live a happy life in pak as so many people die around u on regular basis.I & many others like me would therefore try to do everything possible not to come to pak due to this general fear of so called terrorist!!

[V] [B)] [(!]
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my deepest sympathies to you ,your family and your cousins family as well. It's was so very sad to read this.
frankly these blasts have become too common, the terrorist are even attacking the army now !! i wonder how these Arab gulf countries maintain safe, secure environments for us residents.
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10-22-2009, 05:37 PM
I never delete my own words . I have written truth. Why I will delete it??
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A Stanza for Mr.Retarded

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10-22-2009, 06:59 PM
Osama

We are really grieved to hear the loss of lives of your loved one(s).

May Allah bless the deceaseds a place in Jannat-al-Fidaus.

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10-22-2009, 07:02 PM
Dear Awais,

Where did you find that I called Nazeer Shaheen or Mian Mumtaz (or some others mentioned by you) as useless product specifically? Where did you find that I abused you? I mean is it really a matter of "kisi qaum ke dushmani tumhain andha na kar day" at your part?

Certainly the people you are pointing out have neither been given low status nor they any where publicly declared that they are accepting low salaries for the sake of nation. Be specific; the previous post of mine was in response to the so-called worries about nation. We can exchange a few emotional posts here but the fact has to remain that no body in this world can accept a low status or earnings level (within honest means) if he is capable of having more. Rare examples of some teachers and doctors, I agree, exist in every society. However, such rare cases “mostly” have their specific agenda and get indirect benefits through NGOs or trusts or public fame. Rest of such people are very few, rather negligible.

The statement about useless product is about the ones who are not paid by the "nation" keeping in view their capabilities, and who feel that they have been sacrificing (self assumed) for the nation merely for the sake of sour grapes.

I know you will get to understand nothing of the above two paragraphs mainly for the reason stated in the Hadees you have quoted.

Abusing! I must say brilliant analysis you have produced and the way you modified the situation to cover it under a Hadees is remarkable. Let me show you the correct picture.

I am not a Maulvi but let me to become a “half boiled” Maulvi [means neem hakeem] “like you” for some moments simply to reply your connotations, if you don’t mind.

First of all if calling some one “tiger” is not an abuse then how can be the word “Gadhey” or “its kids” be termed as an abuse especially when Prophet PBUH used to ride on it for traveling. {You see these comments are an example of Half Boiled Characteristics, like President Zia where people use to mold the situation to get desired favors. You have done similar thing as well; (just to keep on record)}.

Now talking quite seriously, even if it is considered to be an abuse, we have to look back to the exact wording of the Hadees you have quoted. There exist a number of AHADEES on this issue and we know abusing is an illicit act at the part of Muslims. However, it is important to know that there was a concept in Christianity to forgive each and everything to others. This concept does not exist in Islam. I wonder why you are trying to preach the message of Christianity. Is there any reason? Here, in Islam, one has the right to reply the other in the same and equal form (although forgiving is a better “option”). The Hadees which you are quoting stipulates that such abusing reverts to one’s parents IF THE OTHER does not reply it. This technically does not apply where eye is taken against the eye; I mean where some one is replied for his own illicit act MERELY AS A REPLY. If you need to substantiate it, get back to original text of Hadees and get guidance from ULEMA (not of your family).

Here a crap started using similar words invariably for all the members of an institute. No body replied him for some time. During such time no body raised the quotations of such AHADEES including the members who have symptoms of half boiled Maulvi (neem hakeem) or the ones who use to become half boiled Maulvi on certain times (as I am doing currently). Why the people like you kept quiet, has nothing but the “attributes” given in the Hadees, that "kisi qaum ke dushmani tumhain andha na kar day". Do you want me to quote Ahadees about the people who remain quiet on such incidents? Leave it, itnaa bhi kiyaa half boiled hona.

During the time when the bug used such words and no body gave him a treatment, according to the Hadees, the words kept on going back to him (and his parents). During this time burden was on his shoulders that he had been abusing his-self and his parents (under the meaning of the Hadees you quoted). However, after giving a due time to Admin to take an action, and half boiled people to react in the worries of nation, similar treatment was considered necessary to be given which in fact reduced his burden as eye was taken against the eye. Would not it be strange if soon after such treatment a half boiled Maulvi raises his hand and start quoting AHADEES to favor the bug? What it shows? Every one can understand.

So the word “GADHEY KAY BACHAY(s)” is only in a response of the word “GADHEY”, which right, Islam fully accepts and recognizes. These words, every one who visits the forum can understand, are only for those who use the word “GADHEY” for others. These don’t refer to any one who is not a part and parcel. So every one else should not be worried about saanjhi betiaan and saanjhey maan baap and saanjhi izzat. This is not about them.

{In Christianity, I know, concept is bit different. If you will quote Bible, then we can discuss its references as well}.

I again know you will get to understand nothing of the above paragraphs mainly for the reason stated in the Hadees you have quoted.

Pothohar! We have family ties with some Pothohari families where both groups have been supporting each other for more than half a century. Don’t educate me about what is Pothohar and who are Pothoharies. I guess the people who have lived their lives in Urban area of Rawalpindi in fact do not know the Pothohar in real sense.

You are fully appreciated to fight till the last drop of your blood (being a pothohari) but in some cases competition can be stiff and blood can go in drains uselessly. So be careful; just an advice.

Participation in discussions, has been explained, is entirely dependent upon the will of members. If you have not done something as per “your concept” of “ethics”, you cannot bind others to follow same rule. Here the forum rules have to be observed if "kisi qaum ke dushmani tumhain andha na kar day".

If something remained unaddressed, I am here to post again.

Crap is again not addressed. {However, Janwers eventually accepted that they are janwers! Just forgot they are bugs}.

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10-22-2009, 07:11 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, san" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by retarded</i>
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Admin emailed me twice to refrain me to do so, admin also sent the same to him & other member, who do not get herself indulged now. Admin should note that language being used by him should be tantamount to verbal battle. Admin took action against mroneflower, although both were involved in the same act but admin took no action against him, because mroneflower did not use to call admin specially when a battle has been started in members.
anyways, lets see when he start calling admin again[8D]


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@retarded, over qualified, extremely qualified LOLzzzz[D]

my sympathies with you on your "moron bhai's" (this nick name is given to him by other forum members NOT me) departure from this forum. he was kicked once from this forum then thrashed and kicked out again for using fake ids on this forum. all his posts under the nick MausudCA (lolzz a desperate wannabe CA) and "mroneflower1" were deleted by admin long back. he broke forum rules and didn't heed to admin's repeated warnings so he was kicked out! simple !

that matter is over, tumko aane mein daer hogai LOLzzz [D][D]
yes admin had emailed in those days, to inform me that the matter is over and the morons account has been blocked LOLzzz.
Poor fellow had a tough time stating whether he was a qualified CA or an ACCA LOL[D][D]
don't you understand that decision to kick out users is taken by admin, here not me or any other forum member. BTW i never called or emailed admin!
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