04-17-2008, 11:41 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Muhammad Amir</i>
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Shoaib has asked that i have taken too much time to realize that members of ICAP are our asset and that they are representative of pakistan in the whole world.
The answer to this question is that i have praised ICAP members not ICAP polices they both are different things and must be seen in different perspectives. Shoaib will agree with me on this point that most of the ICAP members and current students are also against their policies(and he is also one of them).
I hope shoaib that your efforts to mix-up some simple things did not work here.
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Do I need to reproduce your earlier comments about ICAP and its members without distinguishing between the two?
Anyone has got the right of having the stupidest opinions, but at least the facts used should not be incorrect. Criticizing the policies of a training firm or ICAP's policies as regards stipends of trainees is altogether a different thing. Can you give me the example a single one where I have criticized ICAP's exam policies or anything like that? What about ACCAs? Is it new for us to know that on this forum times and again ACCA's policies have been blamed for the miserable plight of ACCA members in Pakistan?
Come on yaar, say whatever is in your mind but please do have dare to speak the truth. What is the weightage of arguments built over wrong facts? If you are taken as an ACCA representative on this forum then nothing needs to be proved my means of words, you yourself will serve the purpose.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Muhammad Amir</i>
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You are asking about the future of ACCAs.
It is also very simple to understand for anyone as long as he tries to understand things in the state of what they are not in the state of what they have to be?
Except Audit Profession ACCA's future is bright here in pakistan, I ask him about the future of ICAP in fields except audit.
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Why to talk about ACCAs' future, have a look at their present. After qualifying ACCA when you will enter the market situation will automatically become apparent. A B.Com student might be starting with 8-12 thousand, and a fresh ACCA may be paid 12-15. Who told you that practicing and audit is all what makes the difference between the two?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Muhammad Amir</i>
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ACCAs usually qualify this profession with 3 years of internship at the age of 24 to 25 on the other hand CA students qualify on an average at the age of 30 to ____.
So Mr Shoaib can you compare the worth of a young professionals of ACCA and your ACAs of 30s,40s,50s and so on; apparently this difference of years will allow ACCAs to pursue some other qualifications even they can be able to do specialization in any field but what about CAs?????? a huge question mark .
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Again incorrect facts, whatever, be the case like this. ACCAs definitely have got this advantage. But if it is the criterion for comparison the matric qualified peon in my office takes the lead. At the age of 18 he is done with his qualification and start his professional life.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Muhammad Amir</i>
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One thing that is still out of my apprehension is that what is something special in ICAP which made current students and trainees of ICAP so proud on them even after knowing the fact that their policy making group have seen "NOUSHTA-E-DEWAR".
Regards,
Muhammad Amir
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When you apprehension skills will mature you will be in a better position to analyze the situation, however, at this point in time I do it for you. Tell me if a simple graduate or a B.Com starts comparing his professional capabilities with a qualified ACCA on the similar grounds (as you are fond of doing), isn't it very likely that in the end he may have similar view about ACCAs that they reasonlessly consider themselves superior and proud
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Shoaib has asked that i have taken too much time to realize that members of ICAP are our asset and that they are representative of pakistan in the whole world.
The answer to this question is that i have praised ICAP members not ICAP polices they both are different things and must be seen in different perspectives. Shoaib will agree with me on this point that most of the ICAP members and current students are also against their policies(and he is also one of them).
I hope shoaib that your efforts to mix-up some simple things did not work here.
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Do I need to reproduce your earlier comments about ICAP and its members without distinguishing between the two?
Anyone has got the right of having the stupidest opinions, but at least the facts used should not be incorrect. Criticizing the policies of a training firm or ICAP's policies as regards stipends of trainees is altogether a different thing. Can you give me the example a single one where I have criticized ICAP's exam policies or anything like that? What about ACCAs? Is it new for us to know that on this forum times and again ACCA's policies have been blamed for the miserable plight of ACCA members in Pakistan?
Come on yaar, say whatever is in your mind but please do have dare to speak the truth. What is the weightage of arguments built over wrong facts? If you are taken as an ACCA representative on this forum then nothing needs to be proved my means of words, you yourself will serve the purpose.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Muhammad Amir</i>
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You are asking about the future of ACCAs.
It is also very simple to understand for anyone as long as he tries to understand things in the state of what they are not in the state of what they have to be?
Except Audit Profession ACCA's future is bright here in pakistan, I ask him about the future of ICAP in fields except audit.
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Why to talk about ACCAs' future, have a look at their present. After qualifying ACCA when you will enter the market situation will automatically become apparent. A B.Com student might be starting with 8-12 thousand, and a fresh ACCA may be paid 12-15. Who told you that practicing and audit is all what makes the difference between the two?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Muhammad Amir</i>
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ACCAs usually qualify this profession with 3 years of internship at the age of 24 to 25 on the other hand CA students qualify on an average at the age of 30 to ____.
So Mr Shoaib can you compare the worth of a young professionals of ACCA and your ACAs of 30s,40s,50s and so on; apparently this difference of years will allow ACCAs to pursue some other qualifications even they can be able to do specialization in any field but what about CAs?????? a huge question mark .
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Again incorrect facts, whatever, be the case like this. ACCAs definitely have got this advantage. But if it is the criterion for comparison the matric qualified peon in my office takes the lead. At the age of 18 he is done with his qualification and start his professional life.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Tahoma, Arial" id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Muhammad Amir</i>
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One thing that is still out of my apprehension is that what is something special in ICAP which made current students and trainees of ICAP so proud on them even after knowing the fact that their policy making group have seen "NOUSHTA-E-DEWAR".
Regards,
Muhammad Amir
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When you apprehension skills will mature you will be in a better position to analyze the situation, however, at this point in time I do it for you. Tell me if a simple graduate or a B.Com starts comparing his professional capabilities with a qualified ACCA on the similar grounds (as you are fond of doing), isn't it very likely that in the end he may have similar view about ACCAs that they reasonlessly consider themselves superior and proud
