01-23-2009, 08:27 AM
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<br />dear respectable SIRS
you all are very very knowledgeable. "i might sound like a chota mun bari baat here." mr muhammad amir u r right when u say that ummah has to be united to fight the zionist. but unfortunately the ummah is not. there is a divide between the arab and non-arab muslims. it's the arab themselves who have created this divide. the zillat is already on the arabs . israel is surrounded by several arab countries, but unfortunately non have the power to even launch a single missle attack on it.
we all have witnessed the recent gaza massacre, unfortunately the arabs, in particular the middle east countries, could only look upon like sheep . the zionists will continue their brutal killings. with US military bases in majority of the middl east countries , nothing at all can be done. unfortunately parts of our Muslim Ummah depends on the US military rather than depending on pakistan, their well equiped nuclear power neighbour. well its unfortunate that even pakistan despite being a nuclear armed country cant do much about the zionists.
Now bases in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, and the UAE are the permanent basing of the United States, military and air force specially in QATAR ...wher there are a number of bases being constructed. if any one wishes they can have more info on it
http//www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/udeid.htm
After 9/11, these airbases as well as the presence of pre-positioned material in countries like Oman and Qatar was used by the US to rage war of Afghanistan. a war being raged on a muslim country with the help of another muslim country.
now the ethnic divide between the muslims themselves. we all know the issue regarding iran , a muslim country. a deal has been made between UAE , a muslim country, and France a non muslim country, by which france would establish a military base in the UAE , which will be a permanent defense installation. the reason being threats received from iran. so in case of war a muslim arab country will aid a christian country to wage war on another muslim country. what can we make out from all this??
until the arabs r united amongst themselves , nothing much can be done about the zionists. and palestinians will continue to suffer. at the recent meeting by arab leaders regarding the massive gaza tragedy, there were even differences over how aid must be chanelled to the palestinians. there are even disagreements over how gaza has to be reconstructed.
so the arabs stand a divided lot themselves, and because of that the ummah is divided too.
at present the arabs are more worried about oil prices than anything else.
regards
rabia
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Rabia I am more of a proponent of your school of thought (on which I had quite few clashes with Amir, all in good taste though) that the Ummah is dead, and this happened with the systematic dismantling of the Ottomon Empire - the biggest players of which are the Arabs, the house of Saud and the Hashimites (of now Jordan) and in the process creating Israel. I have had first hand experience of being born and living most of my life in an Arab country and being called a 'Hindi'(you must know of this). Ofcourse having said all this I still think Pakistan can take the lead in the Muslim world and infact 'defacto' does lead the Muslim world. In our present state, we need to pull ourselves of the this quick sand back to ground level to aspire or even think of any thing in the terms of 'Ummah'. I see this happening only and only after the Monarchies, theocracy and military oligarchs end in the Arab world (and stop the exploitation of their people). It is with great grief that I admit, there is less racism (none in official quarters) in the UK than there is in the Arab world.
<br />dear respectable SIRS
you all are very very knowledgeable. "i might sound like a chota mun bari baat here." mr muhammad amir u r right when u say that ummah has to be united to fight the zionist. but unfortunately the ummah is not. there is a divide between the arab and non-arab muslims. it's the arab themselves who have created this divide. the zillat is already on the arabs . israel is surrounded by several arab countries, but unfortunately non have the power to even launch a single missle attack on it.
we all have witnessed the recent gaza massacre, unfortunately the arabs, in particular the middle east countries, could only look upon like sheep . the zionists will continue their brutal killings. with US military bases in majority of the middl east countries , nothing at all can be done. unfortunately parts of our Muslim Ummah depends on the US military rather than depending on pakistan, their well equiped nuclear power neighbour. well its unfortunate that even pakistan despite being a nuclear armed country cant do much about the zionists.
Now bases in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, and the UAE are the permanent basing of the United States, military and air force specially in QATAR ...wher there are a number of bases being constructed. if any one wishes they can have more info on it
http//www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/udeid.htm
After 9/11, these airbases as well as the presence of pre-positioned material in countries like Oman and Qatar was used by the US to rage war of Afghanistan. a war being raged on a muslim country with the help of another muslim country.
now the ethnic divide between the muslims themselves. we all know the issue regarding iran , a muslim country. a deal has been made between UAE , a muslim country, and France a non muslim country, by which france would establish a military base in the UAE , which will be a permanent defense installation. the reason being threats received from iran. so in case of war a muslim arab country will aid a christian country to wage war on another muslim country. what can we make out from all this??
until the arabs r united amongst themselves , nothing much can be done about the zionists. and palestinians will continue to suffer. at the recent meeting by arab leaders regarding the massive gaza tragedy, there were even differences over how aid must be chanelled to the palestinians. there are even disagreements over how gaza has to be reconstructed.
so the arabs stand a divided lot themselves, and because of that the ummah is divided too.
at present the arabs are more worried about oil prices than anything else.
regards
rabia
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Rabia I am more of a proponent of your school of thought (on which I had quite few clashes with Amir, all in good taste though) that the Ummah is dead, and this happened with the systematic dismantling of the Ottomon Empire - the biggest players of which are the Arabs, the house of Saud and the Hashimites (of now Jordan) and in the process creating Israel. I have had first hand experience of being born and living most of my life in an Arab country and being called a 'Hindi'(you must know of this). Ofcourse having said all this I still think Pakistan can take the lead in the Muslim world and infact 'defacto' does lead the Muslim world. In our present state, we need to pull ourselves of the this quick sand back to ground level to aspire or even think of any thing in the terms of 'Ummah'. I see this happening only and only after the Monarchies, theocracy and military oligarchs end in the Arab world (and stop the exploitation of their people). It is with great grief that I admit, there is less racism (none in official quarters) in the UK than there is in the Arab world.
