07-24-2007, 06:03 PM
Dear Coollioness,
Some parts of ur message again made me to feel that I write in somewhat complex manner and you oftenly dont understand my words.
I dont feel it odd to proceed to foreign countries for earning. Even we can earn from european or non-muslim countries. However, I dont appreciate to have a permanent residence in such countries just with the intent of having a better life. This oftenly needs to sacrifice so much. However, UAE or gulf countries are not the bad options being at least the muslim countries. My words were not meant for hiting you. Infact I had been endeavoring to set up my own public practice as a chartered accountant at Dubai, but due to certain limitations I rejected this decision of mine. Then, some one year back I got a very attractive offer from one of the Dubai's banks through friend but God blessed me (exactly in those days) a good position at Pakistan which did not allow me to leave for an insignificant difference. Now again, I got an offer some ten or tweleve days before which was by no means a bad one. But again by the blessing of Allah my position improved in a very short run (unexpectedly) and the difference did not appear to be enormous. Allah blesses his creatures every where and it has no credit for our hard work or effort. Not at all. (This is not a proud by the way).
However, since I dont mind to earn from foreign countries/economies, I can any time opt this option and am by no means against such earning.
Thaks for your concern and wishes for my father. May God bless you too.
You said that standard has nothing to do with wealth. In my view it definitely has to do a lot with wealth, earning levels, residential status, life's luxuries, family's background (to some extent) and so much other linked with these measures of STANDARD. If the son of a labor will turn out to be the minister or some other renowned man, he will hardly opt to find his love in KACHI ABADI where his father was used to live. He would definitely try to find his love among the high ups e.g. politicians, army generals, industrialists, and beaurocrates etc. Just check out the development of relationships among the cream (the wealthy people) of our society. The changed position changes the thinking style and enlarges the view of ground in front of eyes.
Likewise, when people are destroyed, they have to curtail the view that was previously infront of their eyes and this brings a lot of changes in perceptions, expectations and feelings.
If it is hard for you to understand, or if in ur viewpoint, I am talking without any basis then we should terminate our discussion on this topic as it will lead to nil conclusion. Otherwise, I think the issue is crystal clear and nothing could be harvested from beating about the bushes.
I dont much appreciate the attacks on DEENI MADRISSAs of northern areas specially by USA, but at the same time I dont appreciate at all some of the acts of these MADRISSA people (as heard on meadia. in my view every one cannot lie) e.g. keepings militants and wanted people as guests, keeping amunition in mosques, training students for suicidal attacks and war without the consent of government (that is totally not their responsibility), pentrating Afghanistan without any legal excuse for promoting terrorism (as alleged by Hamid Karzai), attacking on civilians and innocent security people with any reason etc etc.
However, as far as allegations from government are concerned over the activities of these MADRISSAs, these have been proved to a great extent after looking at the recent suicidal attacks from the militants/terrorists of these areas. They were trained on same lines and they have all the alleged ammunition. All Muftiaan-e-Karam of Pakistan and IMAM-e-KABA have given their opinion against such activties of these MADRISSAs/People.
You said that
"For instance i can quote the incidence of bombardment on a Deeni Madrisa in Baajor, then an attack on a Madrissa in Wazeeristan area Data Khel, how many students got killed in those attacks from the security forces of Govt for unknown reasons".
I think now it cannot be called as UNKNOWN REASONS. There is very clear reason for all this activity. Why it is not happening at peaceful Madrissas of Lahore, Faisalabad, Rawalpindi and other cities? Why it is concentrated on a specific area. If we wish to close our eyes, we can. But reasons are known to our hearts. I have discussed these reasons so many times and dont wish to re-open this closed box.
I agree that killing by government was a big mistake but I never agreed that the terrorists should be allowed to do whatever they want and they should have been relieved and should have not been questioned for whatever allegations they bore.
I once earlier said that the things should have been tried to be settled by dialogues instead of killings. Government was in a position to do it. However, I cannot even think for forgiving the culprits. This is what HAZRAT MUHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM said when he gave a decision on cutting the hand of a women accused of theft (subsequently proved). He said he (PBUH) would have not forgiven even if such an act had been done by his daughter FATIMA (Raziallahtala). {NAOOZBILLAH}.
Social crimes should not be forgiven. We have examples for it. We should not support any one just for the reason that government has done something wrong. I only call it wrong as I understand that Government could have done the operation peacefully, otherwise the concept of operation or arresting the accused is not wrong in my viewpoint. This was not to forgive. I am very much clear on it and by the way I am not that ROSHAN KHAYAL as you use this word for some people.
Still, this all is my viewpoint. I dont still support the idea of killing these poeple. I think government should adopt the way of dialogue to clean up these areas from militants. Wanted people should be arrested and innocents should be given full respect. Killings should be avoided from both ends.
You righly said that "Parties on both sides are lacking Ahsaas e Jurm".
All these are muslims and the resolution among them should not be a very difficult task.
Sorry if you feel some words against your concepts.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.
Some parts of ur message again made me to feel that I write in somewhat complex manner and you oftenly dont understand my words.
I dont feel it odd to proceed to foreign countries for earning. Even we can earn from european or non-muslim countries. However, I dont appreciate to have a permanent residence in such countries just with the intent of having a better life. This oftenly needs to sacrifice so much. However, UAE or gulf countries are not the bad options being at least the muslim countries. My words were not meant for hiting you. Infact I had been endeavoring to set up my own public practice as a chartered accountant at Dubai, but due to certain limitations I rejected this decision of mine. Then, some one year back I got a very attractive offer from one of the Dubai's banks through friend but God blessed me (exactly in those days) a good position at Pakistan which did not allow me to leave for an insignificant difference. Now again, I got an offer some ten or tweleve days before which was by no means a bad one. But again by the blessing of Allah my position improved in a very short run (unexpectedly) and the difference did not appear to be enormous. Allah blesses his creatures every where and it has no credit for our hard work or effort. Not at all. (This is not a proud by the way).
However, since I dont mind to earn from foreign countries/economies, I can any time opt this option and am by no means against such earning.
Thaks for your concern and wishes for my father. May God bless you too.
You said that standard has nothing to do with wealth. In my view it definitely has to do a lot with wealth, earning levels, residential status, life's luxuries, family's background (to some extent) and so much other linked with these measures of STANDARD. If the son of a labor will turn out to be the minister or some other renowned man, he will hardly opt to find his love in KACHI ABADI where his father was used to live. He would definitely try to find his love among the high ups e.g. politicians, army generals, industrialists, and beaurocrates etc. Just check out the development of relationships among the cream (the wealthy people) of our society. The changed position changes the thinking style and enlarges the view of ground in front of eyes.
Likewise, when people are destroyed, they have to curtail the view that was previously infront of their eyes and this brings a lot of changes in perceptions, expectations and feelings.
If it is hard for you to understand, or if in ur viewpoint, I am talking without any basis then we should terminate our discussion on this topic as it will lead to nil conclusion. Otherwise, I think the issue is crystal clear and nothing could be harvested from beating about the bushes.
I dont much appreciate the attacks on DEENI MADRISSAs of northern areas specially by USA, but at the same time I dont appreciate at all some of the acts of these MADRISSA people (as heard on meadia. in my view every one cannot lie) e.g. keepings militants and wanted people as guests, keeping amunition in mosques, training students for suicidal attacks and war without the consent of government (that is totally not their responsibility), pentrating Afghanistan without any legal excuse for promoting terrorism (as alleged by Hamid Karzai), attacking on civilians and innocent security people with any reason etc etc.
However, as far as allegations from government are concerned over the activities of these MADRISSAs, these have been proved to a great extent after looking at the recent suicidal attacks from the militants/terrorists of these areas. They were trained on same lines and they have all the alleged ammunition. All Muftiaan-e-Karam of Pakistan and IMAM-e-KABA have given their opinion against such activties of these MADRISSAs/People.
You said that
"For instance i can quote the incidence of bombardment on a Deeni Madrisa in Baajor, then an attack on a Madrissa in Wazeeristan area Data Khel, how many students got killed in those attacks from the security forces of Govt for unknown reasons".
I think now it cannot be called as UNKNOWN REASONS. There is very clear reason for all this activity. Why it is not happening at peaceful Madrissas of Lahore, Faisalabad, Rawalpindi and other cities? Why it is concentrated on a specific area. If we wish to close our eyes, we can. But reasons are known to our hearts. I have discussed these reasons so many times and dont wish to re-open this closed box.
I agree that killing by government was a big mistake but I never agreed that the terrorists should be allowed to do whatever they want and they should have been relieved and should have not been questioned for whatever allegations they bore.
I once earlier said that the things should have been tried to be settled by dialogues instead of killings. Government was in a position to do it. However, I cannot even think for forgiving the culprits. This is what HAZRAT MUHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM said when he gave a decision on cutting the hand of a women accused of theft (subsequently proved). He said he (PBUH) would have not forgiven even if such an act had been done by his daughter FATIMA (Raziallahtala). {NAOOZBILLAH}.
Social crimes should not be forgiven. We have examples for it. We should not support any one just for the reason that government has done something wrong. I only call it wrong as I understand that Government could have done the operation peacefully, otherwise the concept of operation or arresting the accused is not wrong in my viewpoint. This was not to forgive. I am very much clear on it and by the way I am not that ROSHAN KHAYAL as you use this word for some people.
Still, this all is my viewpoint. I dont still support the idea of killing these poeple. I think government should adopt the way of dialogue to clean up these areas from militants. Wanted people should be arrested and innocents should be given full respect. Killings should be avoided from both ends.
You righly said that "Parties on both sides are lacking Ahsaas e Jurm".
All these are muslims and the resolution among them should not be a very difficult task.
Sorry if you feel some words against your concepts.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.