04-17-2008, 12:17 AM
Dear 4thelement,
As far as Malaysia is concerned, I was talking about those who are having ICAEW training. It was not related to what exemptions are available or not. Further, I did not say that there would be some difference in capabilities of those who did ACCA from Pakistan and the ones who did from UK. I was explaining you the job opportunities available for such ACCAs and no one can deny this fact that for same qualification/exposure employers typically tend to employ local professionals unless some one wishes to take undue advantage of such hirings. In case of non-citizens or non-residents, those are more preferred who have more exposure of the specific environment. This is what actually happens. If you don't agree, it is upto you. You may come to know it at some point of time.
Malaysia and the issue of Pakistani ACCAs at UK was discussed in the same context. UK is not deficient of ACCAs residing and qualifying at UK. Do you feel so? There are ONLY 3000 plus CAs working in Pakistan, and even then, for securing jobs ACCAs feel the market saturated (indifferent for ACCAs) [I personally don't feel it saturation. Rather, this is the matter of preference of the entraprenure which you cannot understand] or in your words occupied by monoplistic minds.
Only 3000 CAs in your words created this monoply and the UK where number of CAs (ICAEW), CAs (ICAS), CIMA, ACCAs, and other such professionals are produced there would exist no such saturation or indefference or monoply against/for the Paksitani ACCAs. Believe you me in any such competition, Pakistani ACCA would be least preferred. Ask those who want to get simple articleship in UK firms. It's the most hard task at the moment. Thats why people move to Malaysia or other countries to get ICAEW authorized trainers and qualification etc. There always remains a discrimination for Pakistani and British at UK. How can we deny it. If you say otherwise (as u said) it is totally wrong. You know what is the biggest issue in USA current president elections. Analysts say that Blacks and Women can hardly win such election because of discrimination. These nations are not the angels. They are as much hypocrites as we can expect. Yes there could be rare examples contrary to the above conditions. However, rare is always rare. You just try to understand the issue. If you want to live in dreams do it. This does not affect me my brother.
CGA is an accepted local qualification of CANADA but still it is preferred after CA of CANADA. If it has given exemptions to ACCA, its a good news and I don't have any issue with it. I however was not having such info. Thank you for updating.
As far as matter of exemptions is concerned, I have always been of the view that CAs are not much worried for it. They can go for other qualifications but they don't find it a compulsion for their career. Do they need this for making bread and butter? The real problem lies here. Most of ACCAs (what I observed) remain concerned to get exemptions to have further qualifications and feel it a compuslion for making a good career. Do you find it prejudiced? Why it happens? Because in most of economies they have to find some local charter to make a room for their existence. ACCA "basically" has leading charter of no where. You will say that in so many countries ACCA has been given charter but you must not forget that in every such situation the main lead charterholder is some other body. This is the basic cause of the whole situation. ACCAs have to get exemptions for their existence or to come into main stream. Otherwise every where there would be some so-called "MONOPLISTIC PEOPLE" for my ACCA friends against which they will keep on showing grouses and greivances.
You see Pakistani ACCAs always measure their importance in terms of exemptions available to them. Why? Because it is a matter of their existence.
Still, I personally have no monoplistic concerns with ACCAs and so many ACCAs are getting training with my firm. ACCAs must not feel so because CAs from ICAP working in Pakistan are only 3000 plus. Out of this 3000 if we say (roughly) half a number is in profession, then the guys in industry would be almost 1500. Why these 1500 persons are supposed to give our ACCAs such a big challenge. You must re-visit your conclusion. I however don't know what is number of qualified ACCAs in Pakistan. In my view, so far it has been an issue of preference of entraprenure. Do prove your worth and get what you expect. No body has power to abstain any one. Could Musharraf do so with democracy or expression of public?
Course outline. Good issue to be raised at the end when no other way out is there to help. I can only say one thing. When you will come out of your academic times, it will not simply be the course outline or exam methodology/policies which will arrange a suitable position for you.
Can you understand it? If not then keep on making your sum-ups. I will also clap for such course outline and appreciate such conclusions. I always like the people who stand on their stances logically and firmly.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.
As far as Malaysia is concerned, I was talking about those who are having ICAEW training. It was not related to what exemptions are available or not. Further, I did not say that there would be some difference in capabilities of those who did ACCA from Pakistan and the ones who did from UK. I was explaining you the job opportunities available for such ACCAs and no one can deny this fact that for same qualification/exposure employers typically tend to employ local professionals unless some one wishes to take undue advantage of such hirings. In case of non-citizens or non-residents, those are more preferred who have more exposure of the specific environment. This is what actually happens. If you don't agree, it is upto you. You may come to know it at some point of time.
Malaysia and the issue of Pakistani ACCAs at UK was discussed in the same context. UK is not deficient of ACCAs residing and qualifying at UK. Do you feel so? There are ONLY 3000 plus CAs working in Pakistan, and even then, for securing jobs ACCAs feel the market saturated (indifferent for ACCAs) [I personally don't feel it saturation. Rather, this is the matter of preference of the entraprenure which you cannot understand] or in your words occupied by monoplistic minds.
Only 3000 CAs in your words created this monoply and the UK where number of CAs (ICAEW), CAs (ICAS), CIMA, ACCAs, and other such professionals are produced there would exist no such saturation or indefference or monoply against/for the Paksitani ACCAs. Believe you me in any such competition, Pakistani ACCA would be least preferred. Ask those who want to get simple articleship in UK firms. It's the most hard task at the moment. Thats why people move to Malaysia or other countries to get ICAEW authorized trainers and qualification etc. There always remains a discrimination for Pakistani and British at UK. How can we deny it. If you say otherwise (as u said) it is totally wrong. You know what is the biggest issue in USA current president elections. Analysts say that Blacks and Women can hardly win such election because of discrimination. These nations are not the angels. They are as much hypocrites as we can expect. Yes there could be rare examples contrary to the above conditions. However, rare is always rare. You just try to understand the issue. If you want to live in dreams do it. This does not affect me my brother.
CGA is an accepted local qualification of CANADA but still it is preferred after CA of CANADA. If it has given exemptions to ACCA, its a good news and I don't have any issue with it. I however was not having such info. Thank you for updating.
As far as matter of exemptions is concerned, I have always been of the view that CAs are not much worried for it. They can go for other qualifications but they don't find it a compulsion for their career. Do they need this for making bread and butter? The real problem lies here. Most of ACCAs (what I observed) remain concerned to get exemptions to have further qualifications and feel it a compuslion for making a good career. Do you find it prejudiced? Why it happens? Because in most of economies they have to find some local charter to make a room for their existence. ACCA "basically" has leading charter of no where. You will say that in so many countries ACCA has been given charter but you must not forget that in every such situation the main lead charterholder is some other body. This is the basic cause of the whole situation. ACCAs have to get exemptions for their existence or to come into main stream. Otherwise every where there would be some so-called "MONOPLISTIC PEOPLE" for my ACCA friends against which they will keep on showing grouses and greivances.
You see Pakistani ACCAs always measure their importance in terms of exemptions available to them. Why? Because it is a matter of their existence.
Still, I personally have no monoplistic concerns with ACCAs and so many ACCAs are getting training with my firm. ACCAs must not feel so because CAs from ICAP working in Pakistan are only 3000 plus. Out of this 3000 if we say (roughly) half a number is in profession, then the guys in industry would be almost 1500. Why these 1500 persons are supposed to give our ACCAs such a big challenge. You must re-visit your conclusion. I however don't know what is number of qualified ACCAs in Pakistan. In my view, so far it has been an issue of preference of entraprenure. Do prove your worth and get what you expect. No body has power to abstain any one. Could Musharraf do so with democracy or expression of public?
Course outline. Good issue to be raised at the end when no other way out is there to help. I can only say one thing. When you will come out of your academic times, it will not simply be the course outline or exam methodology/policies which will arrange a suitable position for you.
Can you understand it? If not then keep on making your sum-ups. I will also clap for such course outline and appreciate such conclusions. I always like the people who stand on their stances logically and firmly.
Best regards,
KAMRAN.