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ICAP humiliating itself
12-26-2008, 04:07 PM,
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Dears,

Pracs is such a nice contributor, his analysis, approach, ability to understand the issues and interpret the results is above the level of any doubt. This all is interalia due to the fact he is a qualified member of ICAP and has undergone very unique training and exposure.

I always welcome the healthy disagreements from competent professionals. This contributes in fact in enhancing our knowledge and understanding.

Since my major area of discussion had always been to guide the students about what is the better course of action for their future in given circumstances, any of my post will give a reasonable understanding of the focal point to the ones who go through it. I always tend to avoid at my own discussing the personal abilities of others but some people are so dumb, stubborn, incompetent, and incapacitated that some-times mentioning their illiterate behavior becomes warranted.

Khalid, at one place, complaints about ICAP members' behavior for ACCA, ignoring the fact that the reason of existence of ACCA in Pakistan is only the ICAP and ICAP members, and at other place he is hoping ACCA to engulf the whole world.

He does not know that the people who get the ability to engulf the whole world do not complain about the behavior of others like annoyed kids. What further should be said?

He is ACCA member, isolated, having nothing knowledge of Pakistani market and is making huge claims and predictions. What a joke that he is ACCA (not ICAP members), staying at UK, and has better understanding, and forecast abilities than a whole of the nation, a complete council, 4000+ members of an institute who are not only ICAPs' member but may have so many other qualifications, memberships and strengths. Now if an ACCA kid rises and talks non-sense, this will never affect an institute at all. Whatever garbage he is uttering out has nothing to do with the facts. He has left us all to see the future and yes future will decide what comes out of the current situation.

I have explained that such inter-institute considerations depend upon so many factors and are not merely the soft-ball-plastic-bat cricket game of the childish people like Khalid. Every one hedges his position and works on a long term agenda and planning. I said we are not in the times of judgment day. People keep on changing their strategies, positions and expectations within the long term plan they have in place. We are, as Pracs said, among the third world countries. It is a fact. I also agree that ICEAW is better and well placed when compared to ICAP. With apologies to Pracs I don't agree that ICEAW was on its knees to extend co-operation to ICAP. Every one has its strength, and to my understanding ACCA can never take over ICEAW. There could have been some localized issues among ICEAW, CIMA and ACCA and others but unlike Khalid I don't comment on it adversely. If I talk about ACCA I have so many reasons and basis to do this specially in Pakistan’s context.

Kahlid says that I talk about ACCA without knowing the number of papers it has. Great point he deduced to comment. He does not have the ability to understand that when one is in the market he will never judge and comment on the strengths and weaknesses of a qualification from the perspective of number of papers it has. I may not necessarily know what number of papers ICAP has at the moment and what structure has been changed after the time we had qualified. This does not mean that I am totally ignorant about it. Yes I don't find a dire need to memories number of papers, its contents and structure etc simply because I am not too much concerned. The qualifications are judged from their technical strengths and market acceptability. Again, with regrets I must point out that the number does not make a qualification the best. It may enhance the revenue of the institute though. But it does not ensure quality at its own. May some one have the brain to understand? A herd of sheep cannot rule the world just because they are a herd. It’s simple. At this place I must mention that to my understanding ACCA are not a herd of sheep in fact. This was just to give an example if some can understand.

Pracs I understand the analysis you produced about number of training years stipulated for Pakistan which are not in place at India. There could be so many reasons for doing so and may be with the passage of time things could get altered. As I said earlier, to me it appears an attempt of ICEAW to make an experiment of having some training offices at Pakistan. This may also be good for Pakistani firms. I personally have the experience of being in gold category of ACCA trainers and also an authorized trainer to ICEAW students. Still, one should not put down all shutters of his eyes and mind like Khalid. Things have to proceed unless there arises some threat and who-ever counters the threat when it arises cannot be said poor predictor. I said every one has a long term plan in place and people do change their positions and strategies within that vision.

I can hope some illusions of a specific category might have been washed off. But I know it’s a hard task. I know them well.


Best regards,



KAMRAN.

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