12-28-2008, 08:19 PM
I will advise readers not to listen to this CRAP as this kind of people will never accept reality so it is wastage of time to carry discussion with him.
Its nice to read Kamran and unseendemon post and nice to know that ICAP people can start abusing others when they run of logic as in unseendemon words <font color="red">What utter bull****. And Predicting the fall of ICAP! my my my. This is personal for you, isnt it</font id="red"> (post number 23 of this thread). So one can conclude that if someone wants to know how to use abusive language then join ICAP. GOOD
Furthermore click on the link below and read last post of unseendemon
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=582&whichpage=10
He admitted in the post that he has passed till module D of ICAP and now started ACCA. I am shocked over his intelligence that first he passed ICAP some papers then start ACCA (is ICAP is gateway to ACCA). When ICAP people cannot decide what to do and change their mind in the middle of their studies , people can judge their qualities and one can understand how ICAP handle its students. If nice to know ICAP people jump from one qualification to other, GOOD
In Kamran words <font color="red">What a joke that he is ACCA (not ICAP members), staying at UK, and has better understanding, and forecast abilities than a whole of the nation, a complete council, 4000+ members of an institute who are not only ICAPs' member but may have so many other qualifications, memberships and strengths.</font id="red">
First I never wished to be a member of third class body such as ICAP. I even did not even go for ICAEW and ICAI (Ireland). My this statement could be checked in ACCA vs CA tread on page number 9, I said this in 2006.
Its strange to see that ICAP people think that they do represent whole nation. Readers can see Privilege game as ICAP members think they represent whole nation. If I am not wrong, MOU was singed by ICAP and not by whole nation, Privilege Game. Morever Kamran admitted that ICAP people has many other qualifications. Means ICAP people do need other qualifications to be competent and ICAP membership is not enough along, STRANGE.
He also said <font color="red">to my understanding ACCA can never take over ICEAW</font id="red">. I think whole of UK is mad who is saying this and only Kamran is right. If so,I think UK should hire him as advisor. First ICAP destroyed Pakistani economy and now they wish to destroy UK economy. I cannnot beleive that ICAP members are incompetent.
Kamran is also saying that he is supervising ICAP and ACCA students. He also admitted he does not know how many papers ACCA and ICAP has in total. In this situation I really do not know what kind of supervision and help he is giving to students. His words
<font color="red">I may not necessarily know what number of papers ICAP has at the moment and what structure has been changed after the time we had qualified.</font id="red">
Actually people who are responsible for student training are supposed to know about qualification whose students they supervising, it simple. Again shows ICAP people take decisions and do things without collecting information.
Kamran comments that <font color="red">With apologies to Pracs I don't agree that ICEAW was on its knees to extend co-operation to ICAP</font id="red">. I explained reason Y ICAEW will not extend MOU with ICAP, The main thing is the reason. By the way ICAEW members in UK have already started raising questions on MOU with ICAP that ICAEW has given too much exemptions to ICAP, this could to checked.
Pracs comments about ICAP and ACCA can be read in ACCA vs CA thead on page two. Remember he is ICAP and ACCA member.
And the question who get more pay in Middle East can also be checked from Prace post on page 2 of ACCA vs CA thread.
By the way ACCA Education, Managing and Development Managing Director Ms clare is ICAEW member and after doing ACA from ICAEW she did ACCA. But this CRAP man will not admit this as well.
ACCA had MRA with CPA Taxes (USA) which was cancelled by ACCA. ICAP MOU with ICAEW and MOU terms shows clearly that ICAP is third class institute, which is clear from Kamran words <font color="red">âThings have to proceed unless there arises some threat and who-ever counters the threat when it arises cannot be said poor predictâ</font id="red">. Means ICAP first cant predict and when it see threat then instead of competing in an open market ICAP uses law to restrict other bodies, means avoid direct competition as ICAP cannot compete in an open market.
ACCA is competing in 160 open markets where ICAP is not competing in one open market. ICAP reputation is the world is clear from MOU between ICAEW and ICAP and ICAP is even not comparable and equivalent to ICAI (INDIA), Remember argument that ICAP is third world country institute is not acceptable as ICAI (india) also belongs to third world, so y ICAI has given more weight. Answer is simple that ICAP is third class institute. I mentioned above that ICAEW members have already started asking about ICAEW and ICAP MOU. Check it.
80 countries of the must be stupid which recognize ACCA but not ICAP. ICAP was established by ICAEW Pakistani people where ACCA was not developed with anyone helps. Means ICAP always and always need someone help where ACCA does not.
Main reasons for Kamran posts are to keep ICAP students as ICAP is loosing students everyday. He will not be successful as even people like unseendemon are joining other institutes. Terms of MOU between ICAP and ICAEW also made people to think about quality of ICAP and its membesr.
Monopoly days have gone now and only those qualifications will prevail which can compete in any open market and ICAP clearly cant, Its Simple.
If people think option makes qualification easy , these people should also not go for ICAEW as ICAEW also gives options to students.
Students and people could see that itâs a game of retaining position of elite class which ICAP and its members are following. So be careful. People can see how ICAP members treats others, its simply shows that think they are superior to everyone.
I do not know why ICAP people are afraid of ACCA, now ICAEW is there to kick them.
ICAP is such a great institute that its management does not reply to emails and letters. On other hands I emailed ICAI(India) and in email I mentioned that I am Pakistani national, still ICAI(India) replied. So ICAP members even do not have professional attitude. ICAP members and students are expert in abusing others and ICAP does not answer. GREAT! What a professional institute.
Kamran I do not have energy to continue stupid discussion with you. In my first post I wrote, I do not want any comparison between ACCA and ICAP and do not want to prove ACCA is better than ICAP. If ICAP thinks its better than ACCA please continue to do so (including you).
I just want to show correct picture to students. If you think ICAP is better then its fine and I do not have any problem with it, continue to do so no one is stopping you.
Khalid
Its nice to read Kamran and unseendemon post and nice to know that ICAP people can start abusing others when they run of logic as in unseendemon words <font color="red">What utter bull****. And Predicting the fall of ICAP! my my my. This is personal for you, isnt it</font id="red"> (post number 23 of this thread). So one can conclude that if someone wants to know how to use abusive language then join ICAP. GOOD
Furthermore click on the link below and read last post of unseendemon
http//www.accountancy.com.pk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=582&whichpage=10
He admitted in the post that he has passed till module D of ICAP and now started ACCA. I am shocked over his intelligence that first he passed ICAP some papers then start ACCA (is ICAP is gateway to ACCA). When ICAP people cannot decide what to do and change their mind in the middle of their studies , people can judge their qualities and one can understand how ICAP handle its students. If nice to know ICAP people jump from one qualification to other, GOOD
In Kamran words <font color="red">What a joke that he is ACCA (not ICAP members), staying at UK, and has better understanding, and forecast abilities than a whole of the nation, a complete council, 4000+ members of an institute who are not only ICAPs' member but may have so many other qualifications, memberships and strengths.</font id="red">
First I never wished to be a member of third class body such as ICAP. I even did not even go for ICAEW and ICAI (Ireland). My this statement could be checked in ACCA vs CA tread on page number 9, I said this in 2006.
Its strange to see that ICAP people think that they do represent whole nation. Readers can see Privilege game as ICAP members think they represent whole nation. If I am not wrong, MOU was singed by ICAP and not by whole nation, Privilege Game. Morever Kamran admitted that ICAP people has many other qualifications. Means ICAP people do need other qualifications to be competent and ICAP membership is not enough along, STRANGE.
He also said <font color="red">to my understanding ACCA can never take over ICEAW</font id="red">. I think whole of UK is mad who is saying this and only Kamran is right. If so,I think UK should hire him as advisor. First ICAP destroyed Pakistani economy and now they wish to destroy UK economy. I cannnot beleive that ICAP members are incompetent.
Kamran is also saying that he is supervising ICAP and ACCA students. He also admitted he does not know how many papers ACCA and ICAP has in total. In this situation I really do not know what kind of supervision and help he is giving to students. His words
<font color="red">I may not necessarily know what number of papers ICAP has at the moment and what structure has been changed after the time we had qualified.</font id="red">
Actually people who are responsible for student training are supposed to know about qualification whose students they supervising, it simple. Again shows ICAP people take decisions and do things without collecting information.
Kamran comments that <font color="red">With apologies to Pracs I don't agree that ICEAW was on its knees to extend co-operation to ICAP</font id="red">. I explained reason Y ICAEW will not extend MOU with ICAP, The main thing is the reason. By the way ICAEW members in UK have already started raising questions on MOU with ICAP that ICAEW has given too much exemptions to ICAP, this could to checked.
Pracs comments about ICAP and ACCA can be read in ACCA vs CA thead on page two. Remember he is ICAP and ACCA member.
And the question who get more pay in Middle East can also be checked from Prace post on page 2 of ACCA vs CA thread.
By the way ACCA Education, Managing and Development Managing Director Ms clare is ICAEW member and after doing ACA from ICAEW she did ACCA. But this CRAP man will not admit this as well.
ACCA had MRA with CPA Taxes (USA) which was cancelled by ACCA. ICAP MOU with ICAEW and MOU terms shows clearly that ICAP is third class institute, which is clear from Kamran words <font color="red">âThings have to proceed unless there arises some threat and who-ever counters the threat when it arises cannot be said poor predictâ</font id="red">. Means ICAP first cant predict and when it see threat then instead of competing in an open market ICAP uses law to restrict other bodies, means avoid direct competition as ICAP cannot compete in an open market.
ACCA is competing in 160 open markets where ICAP is not competing in one open market. ICAP reputation is the world is clear from MOU between ICAEW and ICAP and ICAP is even not comparable and equivalent to ICAI (INDIA), Remember argument that ICAP is third world country institute is not acceptable as ICAI (india) also belongs to third world, so y ICAI has given more weight. Answer is simple that ICAP is third class institute. I mentioned above that ICAEW members have already started asking about ICAEW and ICAP MOU. Check it.
80 countries of the must be stupid which recognize ACCA but not ICAP. ICAP was established by ICAEW Pakistani people where ACCA was not developed with anyone helps. Means ICAP always and always need someone help where ACCA does not.
Main reasons for Kamran posts are to keep ICAP students as ICAP is loosing students everyday. He will not be successful as even people like unseendemon are joining other institutes. Terms of MOU between ICAP and ICAEW also made people to think about quality of ICAP and its membesr.
Monopoly days have gone now and only those qualifications will prevail which can compete in any open market and ICAP clearly cant, Its Simple.
If people think option makes qualification easy , these people should also not go for ICAEW as ICAEW also gives options to students.
Students and people could see that itâs a game of retaining position of elite class which ICAP and its members are following. So be careful. People can see how ICAP members treats others, its simply shows that think they are superior to everyone.
I do not know why ICAP people are afraid of ACCA, now ICAEW is there to kick them.
ICAP is such a great institute that its management does not reply to emails and letters. On other hands I emailed ICAI(India) and in email I mentioned that I am Pakistani national, still ICAI(India) replied. So ICAP members even do not have professional attitude. ICAP members and students are expert in abusing others and ICAP does not answer. GREAT! What a professional institute.
Kamran I do not have energy to continue stupid discussion with you. In my first post I wrote, I do not want any comparison between ACCA and ICAP and do not want to prove ACCA is better than ICAP. If ICAP thinks its better than ACCA please continue to do so (including you).
I just want to show correct picture to students. If you think ICAP is better then its fine and I do not have any problem with it, continue to do so no one is stopping you.
Khalid