07-12-2007, 11:36 PM
Dear,
Notwithstanding the pain which I feel on the deaths of all the innocents, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WITHIN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY WHOEVER
- takes the law in his hands,
- intends to murder the other muslims,
- intends to use the suicide bomb attacks on government officials and other muslims and even on dependent non-muslims,
- obtain such ammunition from the enemies of muslim country,
- practise his such intentions,
- keeps the wanted people in his custody ilegally,
- make the innocents his/their hostage,
- enforces his own beliefs forcibly without the IJMAH-e-UMMAT,
- kidnapp the policemen and foreigners who are not muslims (in no matter they are a judge to what was legal and what was ilegal)
- and become the cause of death of hundreds innocents
IS A TERRORIST AND EXTREMIST.
There are much more reasons for my conclusion about persons. I wonder at one place Imran says
"My dear brother again and again i am telling you that you are not allowed to blaim your Muslim brother. who knows that who is better in the eyes of God. No one knows that who is better and who is wrong so i strongly condemn your opinion."
Soon after these words Imran says
"Please brother dont call these people terrorist as they were absolutely right with their thoughts and opinions only they followed the wrong procedures to accomplish their opinions."
At one place he says that no one knows who is right and who is wrong. While soon after he declares that LAL MASJID people were absolutely right with wrong adopted procedure. Imran decided all the things at his own but prohibits the others from doing so. I dont call it MUNAFQAT as these are little bit harsh words but this must be dual policy.
I dont appreciate Government's crual killings but at the same time I cannot accept that such guys were not the terrorists.
Now the question of Cool Lioness.
Dear, you are not the only muslim at this forum. Every one dislikes FAHASHI and other such sort of disorders in an islamic society but this by no means can lead any one to announce his own views to be implemented by the force of AK-47. There were so many procedures to call the attention of ULEMAS and muslims to resolve the issues. Terrorism or announcement of intended terrorism was not a solution.
Who allowed these guys to kill a ranger sitting in another building, who allowed them to kidnapp policemen (i for a moment dont advocate any other kidnapped person), who allowed them to fire the government's building and vehicles, who allowed them to come outside the Lal Masjid with Ak-47 and other ammunition, who allowed them to store such a big reserve of ammunition which has been used continuously for seven or eight days, who allowed them and made it ethical for them to use mosque for such pruposes, who allowed them to create such a situation within Pakistan, and at the end who asked Abdul Azeez to use BURQA for this FARAR?????????????????????????????????
What more should be required to make somebody a terrorist or at least extremist????????????
I wonder on the mindsets who say that just the way adopted was wrong and everything else was correct. Just listen, if Mr. A abuses Mr. B in front of him and Mr. B murders him or attacks on him, the act of Mr. B was due to Mr. A's act but by no means Mr. B's act will be endorsed by law as a correct action. And he ultimately will be treated as a criminal. Has any body any doubt? Will any argument save Mr. B? I wonder on the mindsets who simply declare "it was a wrong procedure and everything else was correct". I can only wonder becoz when eyes are closed by GOD, no one can open them. Same sentence you can use for me, but you will have no reasonable argument.
Always talk to me with arguments and not just becoz some one has beared and was a Maulvi so no wrong word should be used against him.
I again declare that I have greatest respect for ULEMAs and true noble men of ALLAH and not for the rigid maulvies, terrorits and extremists.
And if you talk about ROSHAN KHAYALI, then you must note that I am against all the FAHASHI and URYANI that is emerging in this society but I still cannot support the acts of Lal Masjid and I feel that such trends cannot be stopped by us using AK-47 when so many of us are migrating to europe and USA and other such countries. This is not the time of TALIBANISATION.
You said that there would be after affects of this incident. Just for a moment, open the news papers of last 10 years and you will see so many such incidents all over Pakistan. I never found our country a peaceful place and I am witness of reading, seeing and hearing hundreds of incidents during last twenty or twnety five years. This all has ever been done by similar terrorists and will continue to be done by them. Therefore, no wonder if anything like this happens. However, whenever any such culprit would be captured, he must not be given any safe passage and should be punished under law.
Coollioness said
"Just see around you how islam is being insulted and muslims being killed all over the world. The authorities who have powers, weapons, force, are using their all means to put Islam down. Then why not a true muslim or Jehaadi can keep a weapon with himself to defend himself and his freedom?"
She should know that Islam was affected by so many rulers but the major loss to Islam has always been caused by these terrorists and weapon retainers. For whom and against whom, they have to use such weapons? If no body is attacking on me and u while I and you have not committed any crime then why they have always been endangered. The guys who used the name of Islam for their benefits and causes have ever affected the cause of islam. Please do not forget realities. This has nothing to do with their freedom. Every one is free in this country if he is not a criminal. Even so many criminals are free in this country which should also be stopped.
Rasheed Ghazi should have accepted the govermental offers and should have saved his life as well as the lives of other hundreds of innocents.
Nothing was going to happen against him if it was not happened since last six months. Government has given him a reasonable time to decide but he decided his own death with the death of all those who were with him as well as those who were his hostage.
However, none of my above views should be construed as to in support of army. Our army is one of the worst armies of the world. They can rule the country but cannot save its borders. It has so many times been proved.
Further, I dont want to mess up the things with any of the respected forum members and every thing states was my own viewpoint and is not requested for to be followed by any one else.
Best regards,
Kamran.
Notwithstanding the pain which I feel on the deaths of all the innocents, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WITHIN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY WHOEVER
- takes the law in his hands,
- intends to murder the other muslims,
- intends to use the suicide bomb attacks on government officials and other muslims and even on dependent non-muslims,
- obtain such ammunition from the enemies of muslim country,
- practise his such intentions,
- keeps the wanted people in his custody ilegally,
- make the innocents his/their hostage,
- enforces his own beliefs forcibly without the IJMAH-e-UMMAT,
- kidnapp the policemen and foreigners who are not muslims (in no matter they are a judge to what was legal and what was ilegal)
- and become the cause of death of hundreds innocents
IS A TERRORIST AND EXTREMIST.
There are much more reasons for my conclusion about persons. I wonder at one place Imran says
"My dear brother again and again i am telling you that you are not allowed to blaim your Muslim brother. who knows that who is better in the eyes of God. No one knows that who is better and who is wrong so i strongly condemn your opinion."
Soon after these words Imran says
"Please brother dont call these people terrorist as they were absolutely right with their thoughts and opinions only they followed the wrong procedures to accomplish their opinions."
At one place he says that no one knows who is right and who is wrong. While soon after he declares that LAL MASJID people were absolutely right with wrong adopted procedure. Imran decided all the things at his own but prohibits the others from doing so. I dont call it MUNAFQAT as these are little bit harsh words but this must be dual policy.
I dont appreciate Government's crual killings but at the same time I cannot accept that such guys were not the terrorists.
Now the question of Cool Lioness.
Dear, you are not the only muslim at this forum. Every one dislikes FAHASHI and other such sort of disorders in an islamic society but this by no means can lead any one to announce his own views to be implemented by the force of AK-47. There were so many procedures to call the attention of ULEMAS and muslims to resolve the issues. Terrorism or announcement of intended terrorism was not a solution.
Who allowed these guys to kill a ranger sitting in another building, who allowed them to kidnapp policemen (i for a moment dont advocate any other kidnapped person), who allowed them to fire the government's building and vehicles, who allowed them to come outside the Lal Masjid with Ak-47 and other ammunition, who allowed them to store such a big reserve of ammunition which has been used continuously for seven or eight days, who allowed them and made it ethical for them to use mosque for such pruposes, who allowed them to create such a situation within Pakistan, and at the end who asked Abdul Azeez to use BURQA for this FARAR?????????????????????????????????
What more should be required to make somebody a terrorist or at least extremist????????????
I wonder on the mindsets who say that just the way adopted was wrong and everything else was correct. Just listen, if Mr. A abuses Mr. B in front of him and Mr. B murders him or attacks on him, the act of Mr. B was due to Mr. A's act but by no means Mr. B's act will be endorsed by law as a correct action. And he ultimately will be treated as a criminal. Has any body any doubt? Will any argument save Mr. B? I wonder on the mindsets who simply declare "it was a wrong procedure and everything else was correct". I can only wonder becoz when eyes are closed by GOD, no one can open them. Same sentence you can use for me, but you will have no reasonable argument.
Always talk to me with arguments and not just becoz some one has beared and was a Maulvi so no wrong word should be used against him.
I again declare that I have greatest respect for ULEMAs and true noble men of ALLAH and not for the rigid maulvies, terrorits and extremists.
And if you talk about ROSHAN KHAYALI, then you must note that I am against all the FAHASHI and URYANI that is emerging in this society but I still cannot support the acts of Lal Masjid and I feel that such trends cannot be stopped by us using AK-47 when so many of us are migrating to europe and USA and other such countries. This is not the time of TALIBANISATION.
You said that there would be after affects of this incident. Just for a moment, open the news papers of last 10 years and you will see so many such incidents all over Pakistan. I never found our country a peaceful place and I am witness of reading, seeing and hearing hundreds of incidents during last twenty or twnety five years. This all has ever been done by similar terrorists and will continue to be done by them. Therefore, no wonder if anything like this happens. However, whenever any such culprit would be captured, he must not be given any safe passage and should be punished under law.
Coollioness said
"Just see around you how islam is being insulted and muslims being killed all over the world. The authorities who have powers, weapons, force, are using their all means to put Islam down. Then why not a true muslim or Jehaadi can keep a weapon with himself to defend himself and his freedom?"
She should know that Islam was affected by so many rulers but the major loss to Islam has always been caused by these terrorists and weapon retainers. For whom and against whom, they have to use such weapons? If no body is attacking on me and u while I and you have not committed any crime then why they have always been endangered. The guys who used the name of Islam for their benefits and causes have ever affected the cause of islam. Please do not forget realities. This has nothing to do with their freedom. Every one is free in this country if he is not a criminal. Even so many criminals are free in this country which should also be stopped.
Rasheed Ghazi should have accepted the govermental offers and should have saved his life as well as the lives of other hundreds of innocents.
Nothing was going to happen against him if it was not happened since last six months. Government has given him a reasonable time to decide but he decided his own death with the death of all those who were with him as well as those who were his hostage.
However, none of my above views should be construed as to in support of army. Our army is one of the worst armies of the world. They can rule the country but cannot save its borders. It has so many times been proved.
Further, I dont want to mess up the things with any of the respected forum members and every thing states was my own viewpoint and is not requested for to be followed by any one else.
Best regards,
Kamran.
