ACCA or CA-Inter (Mod A-D)

AvgJoe · 02-08-2005, 10:46 PM

I was sure this topic was going to generate some friction. Thats why, I posted right in the start that "please" dont mock any qualification. Some of us have the letters "ACCA" or "CA-Inter" "CA" "FCA" etc alongside our names & it gets personal if someone mocks a qualification, which comes after our name & for which we have worked so hard. In life, there are several occasions where we have to say what we want in a "milder" way so that the same message is conveyed without personally targeting anyone. This is an excellent quality, which will help u throughout ur life. I again request the forum members to practice it when debating on a public forum & especially on a volatile topic like this. If u beleive that ACCA is easier than CA or vice-versa than please present us with logical arguments. Please dont indulge in mocking a qualification or worse SOMEONE ! Thanks !

AvgJoe · 02-08-2005, 11:05 PM

Hi Desert sleet,

Thanks for providing us with the links. What do other forum members say now after comparing the two papers pointed out by Desert sleet? Is ACCA paper 2.4 more difficult or ICAP's Mod-F paper ?

Desert Sleet, what (in ur opinion) is the standing of ACCA compared to ICAEW's ACA in the UK ? And what exemptions does ICAEW give to ACCA's?

Cheeers

Desert Sleet · 02-08-2005, 11:11 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by AvgJoe
 The purpose of this thread is to constructively debate whether ONE should go for Route 1 or Route 2.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Here it will be much better if we could define Debate.

I view debate as a tool to persuade others to see your view, not simply argue.

The goal of debate should be to successfully get people to embrace your position, or at least to get them to question their own position by casting doubt. This is not accomplished by insulting the opposition by telling them they are ignorant, illogical or whatever other insults usually resorted to. Doing so will not achieve the goal because it will push your opposition farther away.

Sometimes it's more important to understand the opposition. For instance, if someone is intereted in winning over opposition on a point that is strongly resisted, it's a good idea to approach debate carefully to not offend. You can't get people to embrace your position if you are insulting or ramming it down their throats.

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AvgJoe · 02-08-2005, 11:37 PM

Hi Desert Sleet,

According to the Oxford Advanced Learners English Dictionary, the word "debate" means

1) (noun) A formal discussion of an issue at a public meeting or in a parliament. In a debate two or more speakers express opposing views and then there is often a vote on the issue
2)(noun) An argument or discussion expressing different opinions.

My definition of "debate" is quite close to the ones stated above And as pointed by u, it is definitely NOT

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...insulting the opposition by telling them they are ignorant, illogical or whatever other insults usually resorted to..
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Thus desert sleet, if someone is trying to make u embrace their position by "insulting u or raming it down ur throat" it makes no sense for u to do the same. Yes, some forum members have posted offending & childish remarks regarding ACCA but that doesnt mean u do the same. If u do the same, what will be the difference between u & them? Bilal has already apologized for making that statement. Hence, please cool down, relax & dont take this all personally. Also, please contribute further & dont just get offended by these messages.

I would ONCE again ask all forum members posting on this topic to get back on track. And not to post any messages which deviate significantly from the topic & target other people specifically. If someone has targeted u, than plz can u try to show a bigger heart by forgiving? I am sure everyone will respect you for doing so.

bilal azhar · 02-08-2005, 11:53 PM

IF acca students have read all the syllubus of MOdule E AND F then it doesnot mean that they should be exempted from some of the e and f papers.Most of the syllubus of ca inter is just like the syllubus that b.com students study so they should also be exempted from ca inter papers.

As far as comparing of the papers is concerned by comparing just one paper is not fair.A paper which has choice,no questions asked outside the Acca foulks Lynch book,and only 40-50 passing ratio cannot be equal to a ca paper which has no choice,only 40-50 percent paper will be from the prescribed book,50% passing ratio and if u get a D grade in other paper then u are fail in passing paper as well.

bilal

Desert Sleet · 02-09-2005, 05:22 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bilal azhar
 IF acca students have read all the syllubus of MOdule E AND F then it doesnot mean that they should be exempted from some of the e and f papers.Most of the syllubus of ca inter is just like the syllubus that b.com students study so they should also be exempted from ca inter papers.

As far as comparing of the papers is concerned by comparing just one paper is not fair.A paper which has choice,no questions asked outside the Acca foulks Lynch book,and only 40-50 passing ratio cannot be equal to a ca paper which has no choice,only 40-50 percent paper will be from the prescribed book,50% passing ratio and if u get a D grade in other paper then u are fail in passing paper as well.

bilal
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Bilal, I find it interesting that you can't use debate as an equalizer if your theories and points of view hold water. Isn't running away from debate, kind of raising the flag that you may not have ground to stand on if you are proven wrong repeatedly?

You likes to start a debate with opinion, and call it fact since it came from ur mouth. I would like to think Bilal, if you want to debate FACTS, you should give a link to a place where YOUR facts could be referenced by readers who wish to participate in the debate.

Debating you is impossible. Your last post, describe exactly why. You are detached from reality. You have no concept of mutual respect(of qualifications)being somewhat essential to good debate. You ignore facts, and still try to cling to your theories even though THEY ARE BASELESS.

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bilal azhar · 02-09-2005, 06:25 AM

Good debate Desert but fact is fact."SACH to Karva hi hota ha".I Presented the fact by comparing acca and ca papers.stop this nonsense talk about the word Debate and come to the point.Prove me wrong by presenting reality.prove that acca paper is tougher than ca inter paper.
I dont disrespect any qualification,infact i have planned to do acca after completing my ca inter but fact is fact.u cant deny facts and the fact is that ca paper is far far more difficult than acca paper.

bilal

Desert Sleet · 02-09-2005, 06:50 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bilal azhar
 Good debate Desert but fact is fact."SACH to Karva hi hota ha".I Presented the fact by comparing acca and ca papers.stop this nonsense talk about the word Debate and come to the point.Prove me wrong by presenting reality.prove that acca paper is tougher than ca inter paper.
I dont disrespect any qualification,infact i have planned to do acca after completing my ca inter but fact is fact.u cant deny facts and the fact is that ca paper is far far more difficult than acca paper.

bilal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Thus the whining and crying continues, ad nauseum. Give it up, Bilal. You're not raising anybody's blood pressure here, you're just infantile by ANYONE'S standards. Like the little kid who wants to play with the big kids, you're just a little nuisance.And you Bilal STILL haven't answered my question.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Here is a link of the paper of Management Accounting of Module F of ICAP.
http//www.icaponline.net/DownLoads/Win04_Papers/MAC.pdf

And plz visit this link to Compare the above paper with the paper Number 2.4(Financial Management and Control) of ACCA.
http//www.accaglobal.com/students/professionalscheme/paper2_4/pastpapers/2-4_2004_jun_q.pdf

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Plz keep into mind that i am comparing Mod F paper with Acca level 2 paper.Not with 3.3 or 3.7 (level 3 papers). As far as the comparison of CA inter goes with ACCA the Financial Accounting of Ca inter in Just alike 1.1 and Management Accounting is eqvilant to 1.2. The difference lies in the Passing Creteria and Syllabes Pattern. Acca unlike CA, has a very well Structured Syllabes and a Good Checking System hich also provides u with marks likewise enabling you to evaluate your performance against a specific expected standard. Remember that the passing creteria of both the Examinations is 50%.

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">As far as comparing of the papers is concerned by comparing just one paper is not fair.A paper which has choice,no questions asked outside the Acca foulks Lynch book,and only 40-50 passing ratio cannot be equal to a ca paper which has no choice,only 40-50 percent paper will be from the prescribed book,50% passing ratio and if u get a D grade in other paper then u are fail in passing paper as well.

Bilal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If your theories hold water than plz Proove them.

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AvgJoe · 02-09-2005, 11:53 PM

Dear Desert & Bilal,

I would again request both of u to NOT get personal & not to attack EACH OTHER instead of "comparing the two qualifications" in a unbiased & un-personal way. Thanks !

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I Presented the fact by comparing acca and ca papers.stop this nonsense talk about the word Debate and come to the point.Prove me wrong by presenting reality.prove that acca paper is tougher than ca inter paper.
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Bilal, I understand that during ur self-study u compared the papers of CA-Inter & ACCA and found ACCA papers to be easier. Everyone can have different views & many people would disagree with ur statement. I suggest u give us the links to the papers u compared & then the forum members can compare them themselves. Desert sleet has already tried to prove that ACCA papers are tougher than CA (Mod-F) papers by providind links to 2 of them & letting u compare them urself. Do u agree that the ACCA paper he has pointed out is tougher than CA (Mod-F) paper ?

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you're just infantile by ANYONE'S standards. Like the little kid who wants to play with the big kids, you're just a little nuisance.
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Dear Cheema Sahib, I admire u for taking so much time out for us to post on this forum & increasing our knowledge. But in the past we have lost a lot of forum members (like Pracs, Ehrar, Azeem Khan sahib etc) just because things got out of control on the forum & the members started personally assaulting each other. I am sure the forum members dont want that to happen again. I would thus request u to please drop the PERSONAL argument with Bilal & not post such remarks about him. I hope u would consider my request & would not feel offended by it. If u do, then I sincerely apologize. Thanks

Cheers

bilal azhar · 02-10-2005, 12:07 AM

Avg joe if i starts creating links then i think i will have to create more than 50 links.people who want to compare both papers can go to ca and acca website and download the papers of any subject.e.g go to their site and compare the paper of IT of module D with paper 2.1 of acca of any attempt from the last two years and u will see the huge difference.
And this man Desert sleet instead of discussing the topic is getting personal.it is quite obvious that he doesnot know what to write as far as comparing the papers are concerned,so he is showing his family background.

bilal

Desert Sleet · 02-10-2005, 12:20 AM

AvgJoe actually i have qualified both ICAEW and ACCA. Here i am actually acting as an "Devils Advocate"... Challenging the ideas and theories of other people with countless arguments. Actually i was also a bit shocked as most of the people of ICAP were just Looking Down upon ACCA's. I actually researched a bit and compared the Past Papers Of ACCA and ICAP and found ACCA papers equally tough.

Actually this is not even an issue of ACCA versus ACA. This is an issue of people not being able to argue unless the other ideology is the minority, or without the other side being non-existent. I want all sides to participate. If you make good arguments and avoid flame-baiting, and resorting to these ideological labels, then you might actually get somewhere here.
<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Avg joe if i starts creating links then i think i will have to create more than 50 links.people who want to compare both papers can go to ca and acca website and download the papers of any subject.e.g go to their site and compare the paper of IT of module D with paper 2.1 of acca of any attempt from the last two years and u will see the huge difference.
And this man Desert sleet instead of discussing the topic is getting personal.it is quite obvious that he doesnot know what to write as far as comparing the papers are concerned,so he is showing his family background.

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Bilal you don't balance the forum out by separating yourselves further from people you do not agree with. You challenge them, and do so properly, with sources, and logic. If they don't respond in a similar fashion then you tell me, and we try to resolve it.

I communicate with all people who are reported/reporters. We can resolve personal issues through the E-mail system. The user either takes the hint, smiles at me in the message and continues like a fool, or gives me lip for suggesting a little civility. The choices made at this stage help me determine if they can offer anything of value to the forum.

Value to me is intelligent posting. I want to see members who can wipe the floor with some of the people, and vise-versa. I want people who have done their homework, know how to present their arguments so all can participate, and never take any of this personal. I'll do what it takes to get as close as I can to that model.

If i did hurt someone then i must apologize.[^]
<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">it is quite obvious that he doesnot know what to write as far as comparing the papers are concerned,so he is showing his family background.

bilal<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Thanks for the subtle insult. I had already concluded that there is no real point in arguing with you anymore cause you and I will just butt heads on the issue. Resorting to such family insults only reflects your mentality.
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You are right AvgJoe, it was an insult that I shouldn't have made, and for that I apologize. I think you can see that this debate affects me personally on many levels. Again, I apologize. In my defense though, I still say that the reply which Bilal gave me that provoked that statement, was not intelligent debate material as much as it was meant to paint a mental picture of what you despise about ACCA.

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AvgJoe · 02-10-2005, 09:32 AM

Hi Desert,
Its nice to see that u have finally dropped the personal argument with Bilal. Thanks

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And this man Desert sleet instead of discussing the topic is getting personal.it is quite obvious that he doesnot know what to write as far as comparing the papers are concerned,so he is showing his family background.
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Dear Bilal, even I am getting tired now by requesting u people to calm down again and again. "Please", lets be professionals, show a bigger heart & forget it all.

Coming back to the topic, Bilal says that CA-Inter Mod-D IT paper is more difficult than ACCA 2.1 paper.

Well, here is the Dec 04 paper of ACCA 2.1
http//www.accaglobal.com/students/professionalscheme/paper2_1/pastpapers/2297264
And here is the CA-Inter Mod-D paper of IT
http//www.icap.org.pk/Downloads/PastPapers/Intermediate/Autumn2004.zip

Personally, I dont think comparing a MOD-D paper with 2.1 is fair. An ACCA student studies for 2.1 in the first part of his studies (i.e. when a CA-Inter student is studying for Mod-A). Hence, I would say that it would be more "fair" to compare the 2.1 paper with CA-Inter's Mod-B IT exam. Here's the link
http//www.icap.org.pk/Downloads/PastPapers/Foundation/Autumn%202004.zip

So guys, which papers do u find more difficult? CA-Inter papers or ACCA papers in this regard ?

Mr. Whappaaaa · 02-11-2005, 04:18 AM

HI JOE

Saw the good discussion after some days again the burning topic based on Whole ACCA vs CA Foundation. Yaar, Joe actually there is no such a huge comparision b/w ACCA & CA module A to D. Each organization( ICAP & ACCA) has its own style of preparing papers we could not discriminate both papers due to some expertise availability( obviously ACCA has more power, resources, research methods etc. for the preparation of papers than ICAP) & some technological impact thats why ACCA has been maintaining lots of flexibility in his papers preparation. Now come to the topic, in a last few minutes i visited the site of ICAP and see some past question papers( Specially Audit paper) and i have concluded that.... If you see the Scanerio based questions of ACCA level three & CA foundation then ACCA papers( especially level 3) are technically more advanced, competent & knowledge based. So it is quite unfair to compare Foundation With ACCA level three papers .... Now the only thing comes to make some plus points is of the passing criteria of ICAP papers in foundation level...... I think we could not compare Foundation to ACCA level three. See the past papers OF ACCA paper 3.1 .....and then compare to module D paper of ICAP..... its bit different ....

Think this topic is going from the situation CA foundation Vs ACCA level three.....????

REGARDS

ASIF ALI

Desert Sleet · 02-11-2005, 04:58 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr. Whappaaaa
 HI JOE

Saw the good discussion after some days again the burning topic based on Whole ACCA vs CA Foundation. Yaar, Joe actually there is no such a huge comparision b/w ACCA & CA module A to D. Each organization( ICAP & ACCA) has its own style of preparing papers we could not discriminate both papers due to some expertise availability( obviously ACCA has more power, resources, research methods etc. for the preparation of papers than ICAP) & some technological impact thats why ACCA has been maintaining lots of flexibility in his papers preparation. Now come to the topic, in a last few minutes i visited the site of ICAP and see some past question papers( Specially Audit paper) and i have concluded that.... If you see the Scanerio based questions of ACCA level three & CA foundation then ACCA papers( especially level 3) are technically more advanced, competent & knowledge based. So it is quite unfair to compare Foundation With ACCA level three papers .... Now the only thing comes to make some plus points is of the passing criteria of ICAP papers in foundation level...... I think we could not compare Foundation to ACCA level three. See the past papers OF ACCA paper 3.1 .....and then compare to module D paper of ICAP..... its bit different ....

Think this topic is going from the situation CA foundation Vs ACCA level three.....????

REGARDS

ASIF ALI
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Heh.. that'd be an alliance out of pure desperation.
gotta have a buddy to back up some arguments.

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bilal azhar · 02-11-2005, 07:58 AM

AVG joe the course of IT of module D AND paper 2.1 of acca is same except one topic of Excel in mod D.SO leave aside that question and compare the two papers.This is only one paper.u can see all the papers from the last two years.

bilal