icap has reduced the exemption of acca to c module

[kamranACA]

Dear Accountingunlimited,


There was no anger as I said at some other thread. It was just like for the like. Don't feel it odd.

Yes, as far as buttons are concerned, you can tell here at this forum, which sort of buttons of other guys, you are typically used to press? You might find some one found of experimenting the same. I, however, have no habit of getting the buttons pressed by the similar stuff. This is again like for the like. Now, you should stop this topic because I don’t want to use similar words further.

ICAP is not the only CA institute in the world and I was actually telling you that every one uses the work of others for development and research. You might be knowing what Japan has ever done and what China is now doing. There is no wonder in it. However, if ACCA is so older, it creates further issues about whatever it has so far achieved in over 100 years.

Your Gupta and Spicer examples don't conclude anything. You say that it is better to study both of them but the basic concept is same. You said

"I have to tell them you can get better practice by doing the same topic from different sources but understanding you get from basic concepts and that is what you use in every question. So I am not surprised."

Might some one better understand what you eventually conclude by writing the above lines? You don't oppose reading more than one book though you feel concept cannot be improved by doing so but practice can be improved. What this concludes in nutshell? I am not so wise to understand this wise statement. Does the concept flows from the skies? If one does not get it cleared by reading one book or learning from a learned teacher like you, is there any bar to study more educational material? You are surprised. It's good. Remain surprised.

You typically appear to undermine Pakistani students while discussing their approach as you did in above lines irrespective of the fact that you had been a Pakistani student as well. The problem of guys like you is that you are much impressed from franggies. I know they are very much advanced and we are behind them but still in my view we should not lose our entity. We are not behind them in our personal capabilities and potential. Do you need me to list down those who were not franggies but remained better in their achievements than franggies? Pakistan could have so many issues due to its political and location reasons but Pakistanis are not inferior to anyone in the world in their potential and abilities. It may not be bad to find a future in other countries but please don't over-act against Pakistani students. You may in your own-self have so many problems. Explore and correct them first.

Is it some Fatwa from you that there should be some pity on one who wants to get more qualifications (it's not without having required knowledge and a test of capabilities so it's not simply a membership) in accordance with the HADEES which states that "knowledge should be enhanced/sought even if some one is required to go to China". I did not know you can issue fatwa’s.

You said

"You have argued quite often that quality work is not restricted to big firms but you were unable to provide proper basis. "

Did any body require basis from me at this forum? Certainly no body did. And if you wish to do it I am not bound (though I may do it) to reply you. This needs to conduct a survey by someone unless he knows it due to some other reasons. Have you gone to each firm, that may be from 5 to 30 numbers, and checked which clients, nature of assignments and professional work they are carrying out? For instance, I know a firm that is not among the big 4 but list of their clients and assignments (in brief) is normally covered on almost 100 pages when they prepare their profile for upcoming clients and one may not find any big area and client which is not included in it. This could be seen in so many cases which don't fall in big 4.

If you are not in profession you cannot know it in detail. Arguments may not satisfy you. I have seen people going to such firms even after consulting people like Mr. Zaidee. If you really want to know you should make a struggle for it.

Further, a firm which is now in big 4 might have not been among them some time back. MYASCO is in big 4 and was not in them in recent history. They even after going into big 4 have lost one of their offices though it may not make too much difference for them or they don't feel it as such. I don't see huge shift in their clients after getting into big 4. They were already not doing bad. I don't think tag of big 4 has changed their world overnight.

[I think you have some psyche problem with the issue of firms. Did anybody deny accepting you as a prominent part of some firm. You may or may not reply it but normally people go into teaching due to such reasons and talk against firms and partners due to their own history.]

I was submitting exact the same thing that if some one is moving or in any part of his plan have the idea to move any where, it would be better if he has the qualification of his destination station. I also feel that even if some one does not have a plan he should do it. Is there any point in not doing so? Say some thing (may God this don’t happen) create problems with the country in which one is living and he feels it better to leave or is bound to leave, would it not be better if he already has something like such foreign qualification? I just mean to say what is wrong in it? (By the way have you ever read about disaster recovery plans? If you teach others about this then why don’t you personally believe in it). In this latest post now you have restricted the scope of your view point and mentioned that it is only inappropriate for those to have additional qualifications / memberships who don't have to move out of the country. Here you are getting specific to country level while for same thing (though in quite different context) you some where in earlier posts criticized me and said I should not consider the problems of students specifically at Pakistan level due to globalization. I don't know where you will sit with peace. Earlier you said no ICAEW member get additional memberships and now you say this happens if some one goes abroad. Do you need to know those who are ICAEW or ACCA members (UK nationals) working at UK and have more than one qualification without moving to other countries? If I will give you some names then where you will get to find rescue? I just request you not to debate baseless.

Now you are calling the help of others by asking them to participate in discussion to see some big picture. It’s amazing. Have I not helped you so far in seeing it? Have you ever heard Abrar-ul-Haq’s song “AIDHER AA MAJAAJNIEY NEE AADHA LAA MAJAAJNIEY”. I am just kidding though there is no such deal between us. It’s good for you to get help from others.

Thanks God you accepted competency of ICAP members working abroad. If they qualify any thing additional or "extra" it is again their own achievement. Not blessed by you or your ACCA or else.

You see friend, I have a habit to discuss the dissenting / critical issues first. You may find it some impression problem.

Yes, I may anytime decide to leave this purposeless discussion. I just don't want to make you feel that you are teacher to every one. I am by the way not a teacher, rather am a student. Man has to learn life long.


Stay cool.


Regards,



KAMRAN.